October 2017 Las Vegas Shooting - 50 Dead

[RubiconDecision]

The entire topic is about speculation, then you don't want speculation!

Plus he did visit the Middle East.

Feinstein says no law could have prevented the shooting.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.b223e70061df

[NorseThing]

I find it amusing that you have been talking about the event, but when I provide credible details, then you suddenly do not want to talk about the event. You are free not to respond or engage with my post. You are under no obligation to do so.

I provided links detailing the suicide note, so right away, you are wrong.

As the videos are scrubbed, then of course you cannot see them. But there are sites where you can see them yourself. In one video, three rifles are being fired simultaneously.

Additionally I provided a link which shows the hotel room with multiple photos taken soon after the event.

ISIS has claimed the shooting. A campaign administrator for Trump has claimed the alleged shooter made an ISIS video.

Your note is not a suicide note even in the link you provided.

Note in Las Vegas gunman's hotel room included details of bullet trajectory

So his mathematical mind worked out the numbers to kind of hit the area. You and I could and would do that in advance. So what?

If ISIS take credit -- so what? That does not mean he had help. it just means that they feel he acted on behalf of the cause. You are quoting an anonymous source -- a campaign administrator no less. What authoritative sourcing!!!

Please give this a rest.

If not for my sake, how about the sake of all directly involved as victims and investigators, and medical personnel? Some silent respect for those whose lies have been destroyed or severely harmed.

They deserve the respect.

May God bless.

[RubiconDecision]

Yet, you continue to.post! If you want the topic closed, then send a pm to a mod.

[Heathen Hammer]

As I pointed out earlier, pictures of shooters dead body (they leaked a few days ago, and you can still find them via google) show clean bullet casings on top of pool of blood.
Given how most conspiracy theories about US government turn out to be at least partially truthful, it is quite plausible that official story isn't accurate. Of course tactics of disinformation by the alphabet agencies and the political establishment overall didn't change, hence abundance of "wilder" theories mainly aimed at discrediting any dissenting opinions, as it is on most political issues. Then again, majority of US population distrusts establishment sources for a reason.

[RubiconDecision]

After 25 pages, some posters suddenly feel we should stop speculating. Amazing.

[IronBrig4]

We speculated about the shooter's background. Going into the possibility of multiple shooters and fabricated evidence is getting into conspiracy theory territory.

[RubiconDecision]

Ah, I get it. Some speculation is okay.

[Heathen Hammer]

We speculated about the shooter's background. Going into the possibility of multiple shooters and fabricated evidence is getting into conspiracy theory territory.

"Conspiracy theory" is just a buzzword used to label anything that goes outside the agenda of American political establishment, which has a long tradition of giving false and misleading information to the public.
Which is why going in the "territory" outside establishment's narrative is something intelligent people do.

[mongrel]

"Conspiracy theory" is just a buzzword used to label anything that goes outside the agenda of American political establishment, which has a long tradition of giving false and misleading information to the public.
Which is why going in the "territory" outside establishment's narrative is something intelligent people do.

It Britain we call the stuff you describe 'complete bollocks'.

Let'd face it, it will take a while for the police to unravel this one. Until then, anything said risks falling into the aforementioned category.

[Condottiere 40K]

Most suicide mass murders who plan so carefully, and had prepared for several different events with large crowds tend to leave behind a manifesto or message, and understand how this will affect their families and close friends for the rest of their lives, hence why he sent his girlfriend away.

Both the girlfriend and his brother know more than they're saying, his brother rambled on about his brother being a one percenter, and his girlfriend appears to have had her statements drafted by a team of lawyers.

[mishkin]

Someone long ago said that it was a shame that in this thread there were people trying to adapt what happened to their political agenda. (If you find the post, quote it, +rep it).

[Condottiere 40K]

The Vegas shooter had a window of opportunity to shoot up the crowd without them realizing what was happening, and when they do, what direction it was coming from.

If he did manage a rate of fire of six hundred rounds per minute, there'd be a lot more of dead ducks from that crowd of sitting ones.

[Heathen Hammer]

It Britain we call the stuff you describe 'complete bollocks'.

In Britain you don't really have any rights as a citizen, so clearly your government lied to you on a consistent basis.

Let'd face it, it will take a while for the police to unravel this one. Until then, anything said risks falling into the aforementioned category.

Not really. Given how US government and its agencies constantly knowingly lie to the public, it is entirely rational to assume they could be doing in this particular case.

[Ludicus]

But that doesn't matter to NRA folks because they FEEL safer if they have a gun. They FEEL the Founding Fathers would approve of them. They FEEL their guns are their ultimate line of defense against tyranny.

You forgot to mention that God is on their side.In doubt, ask RubiconDecision.

[The spartan]

Not really. Given how US government and its agencies constantly knowingly lie to the public, it is entirely rational to assume they could be doing in this particular case.

What? Are you seriously making the argument that you get to pick and choose when the government is lying and when it isn't?

"Conspiracy theory" is just a buzzword used to label anything that goes outside the agenda of American political establishment, which has a long tradition of giving false and misleading information to the public.

Yeah man, I read that people saw explosions at the BASE of the World Trade Center on 9/11! And have you ever see buildings fall down that way outside of a controlled demolition? George W. Bush's approval ratings soared afterwards, coincidence?!

Which is why going in the "territory" outside establishment's narrative is something intelligent people do.

Intelligent individuals harass grieving families?

[Heathen Hammer]

What? Are you seriously making the argument that you get to pick and choose when the government is lying and when it isn't?

I think we can all agree that the whole WMDs in Iraq thin were a lie, as well as other fictional accusations US government made in regards to various countries from Panama to Libya and now Syria, that didn't want to bow down to Uncle Sam or simply didn't want to keep petrodollar. And that's just foreign policy alone.

[The spartan]

I think we can all agree that the whole WMDs in Iraq thin were a lie, as well as other fictional accusations US government made in regards to various countries from Panama to Libya and now Syria, that didn't want to bow down to Uncle Sam or simply didn't want to keep petrodollar. And that's just foreign policy alone.

I never said the government doesn't lie, I am challenging the idea that it gives you carte blanche to treat whatever you want as fact.

[Papay]

The entire topic is about speculation, then you don't want speculation!

Plus he did visit the Middle East.

Feinstein says no law could have prevented the shooting.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.b223e70061df

The problem with conspiracy theorists is that they dont know what to do with their conspiracy theory(they only try to debunk the official version). You say that he went to middle east claiming perhaps that he was a muslim covert. Then you claim that the shooters were more and that it was a set up. So which is true? That the dude was sent by ISIS or that he was set up be the government?

[RubiconDecision]

It seems the shooting was done by ISIS and with help from other ISIS supporters.

In the last 24 hours, a deposition given by the alleged shooter back in 2013 details that he gambled as much as million dollars a night. This guy could buy whatever he wanted. No gun control would have stopped him. The weapons found thus far, thirty some, were legally purchased with background checks.

This is not a standard shooting by any means. The entire narrative is suspect.

With such enormous assets, he cased music concerts and took strange international trips and we know an ISIS video exists.

In the deposition he claimed to be the biggest video poker player in the world and thus his rooms were compted and he had the run of casinos. Therefore he could have brought in anything because he brought so much money to the casinos. I rather imagine this is how he got all of the arsenal up to the room in containers with little security questions.

With that kind of money he easily could pay for people to bypass security.
http://nypost.com/2017/10/09/las-veg...slept-all-day/

It appears he considered acting at Lolapalopza prior at least casing the security and how to accomplish it. It is known he frequented many concerts similarly.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/authorities...ry?id=50274253
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...-wh/734824001/
http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/06/us/veg...ses/index.html
http://www.newsweek.com/paddock-las-...n-legal-676151

[Heathen Hammer]

I never said the government doesn't lie, I am challenging the idea that it gives you carte blanche to treat whatever you want as fact.

I don't think this statement of yours have any relevance to my initial point that since US government isn't the most trustworthy entity out there, disregarding any theory that goes outside government's narrative is naive at best.