Is Hillary Clinto mentally fit to be President?

[NorseThing]

Well, yes a parallel thread to an unending Trump thread. So is she mentally fit to be President? Her new book is out. I will review it for you in a few words: It is everybody's fault but it is mostly the fault of that Trump guy who likes to grab and tweet.

The latest:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017...ia-meddle.html

Yes -- it is from Fox and fair and balanced. At least fairer and more balanced than HRC though I expect Fox will also blame others for their own mistakes as well.

So it is fault of the FBI director. It is the fault of Putin and the Russians. But mostly and not just because of the common denominator of Trump --- it is his fault by colluding with the Russians. Oh, my mistake. She believe in the rule of law so she only implies it is Trump's collusion with the Russians. My what a mess.

Edit:
And just to add more Fox fair and balanced -- http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017...-why-lost.html

So voter suppression is a part of why HRC lost. Just imagine if she could have won Wisconsin, a state that did not see her shadow after the primary season, if only and but for voter suppression. Imagination she has. But is she mentally fit?

[Condottiere 40K]

Yes.

Just not popular enough.

[Roma_Victrix]

She was a US Secretary of State for years under the Obama administration, and a Senator from New York before that. I think she has proven herself mentally fit and capable to hold a public office. She has, however, proven herself entirely inept when it comes to running a campaign for political office, demonstrated by her loss to Donald Trump (regardless of the popular vote). She lost a good amount of blue states that should have been solidly in her camp, alienating them because she doesn't know how to connect with voters or real people with an annual salary below $200,000, and generally sucks when it comes down to opposing a candidate who plays dirtier tricks than her.

Clinton's slim victory over Bernie Sanders in the Democratic primaries gave her way too much unrewarded confidence seeing how the majority of the media was rooting for her campaign since before those primaries even began in early 2016. Instead, she should have learned a lesson from her scathing loss to Obama in the 2008 primaries, which a lot of Democrats (and Independents) surely had not forgotten by the time she ran for office eight years later.

[paleologos]

Firstly:
The OP question assumes that HRC may run for office in 2020.
Otherwise what's the reason to discuss her mental fitness?
All in all this thread seems to me as a poor attempt at diverting the debate from whether Trump is fit for office.
Reality check: Trump is holding office now.
Not in three years from now.


@ Roma_Victrix
And let's not forget that however dim the "average" American may look to people across the pond they are -in their majority- smart enough to understand what Trump really is.
And still voted for him in such numbers.

Here listing a few of Trump's PR escapades:

• Went down the list of ethnic groups and insulted them, each in turn.
• Picked a fight with Miss America (or whoever).
• Boasted about how he gropes women.

And Hilary still lost.

However, "Trumpism" is not about the above.
It's about right wing economic populism.
If anyone less offensive from the right picks that up, the clintonites don't stand a chance.

My point is that mental fitness is irrelevant in the case of HRC.

[Cyclops]

Sillier than the other thread, no one here has assessed her.

[alhoon]

Actually her new book makes me think she is not. She is too old and too fast to blame others. Sanders was right that it is about time to govern, legislate etc. The elections are over. She lost. Worse things have happened to a woman than losing an election in your old age when your whole family is healthy and prosperous. (yes, B.Clinton has palsy, not a severe problem).
Saying things like "We went on promising a big and revolutionary measure \ change and then Sanders went on to suggest something even further!" when she was talking about the 7-min abs and Sanders going for the 4-min abs.
Well, honey, if you thought that 7-min abs were enough but 4-min abs were not, you could defend your position. It was a debate. Debate him. Prove him wrong. It was not hard, because he was wrong!

The ID laws and electoral college and other stuff she accuses? These laws were in place when she was running. And more.
She kinda blamed the women that marched for her and against Trump with jabs like "Where were you all in the voting day?" as if her failure to attract more women to her, despite her good ground game, is to be overlooked. Remember how she was laughing at Trump's non-existent ground game? Well, a lot of good hers did.

So we have a woman that takes jabs at her primaries opponent that went against her from the left for "stealing her ideas" even though she could have shot them down and even though he didn't run a negative campaign. A woman that takes jabs against the system that she was in position to affect and influence before hand as a senator, first lady, Democrat favorite and all in all an influential politician for 20 years. She even takes jabs against her own supporter base because she feels they didn't do enough.
WTF?


In short, she's a whiner and a bad loser. A whiner is not presidential enough.

Accusing Russia for their help to Trump: Apologies, but that's Obama and his administration dropping the ball here. That a foreign country wanted to put their thumb on the balance is not unimaginable. If there were avenues of legal-by-loophole collusion, they could have been shut down with legislation during the years that the democrats had the power. If there was any illegal act that happened during the elections, it's Obama that was the president and she was a former secretary of state. It was their job to protect the American Democracy from outsiders.
That she failed to shield her country from loopholes that would affect the outcome of the election is very bad for her resume. That while Obama was the chief executive the Russians potentially used illegal means to affect the outcome, even in minor ways, is partially Obama's failure as well as that of the states and congress (Republican held mostly).

EDIT:
Here's a BBC article that puts forward the long list of people Hillary blames. Yes, in the end she blames herself, although she should have started and stopped with "You can blame the data, blame the message, blame anything you want - but I was the candidate. It was my campaign. Those were my decisions"
In any case, as it relates with her mental fitness for hypothetical presidency:
Hillary blames the Media for being unfair to her.
Nope, that's not an argument for a sane person.

[Condottiere 40K]

You have to look at her entire public life to get a perspective. Being persecuted during the Whitewater investigation didn't help.

She had two periods with remarkable stability, her tenures of Senator and Secretary of State.

On the other hand, she thought she had the Democratic Presidential nomination on lock twice, before two challengers from left field shook her irongrip hold, once successfully, and the second rattled her despite being unsuccessful, though having learnt her lesson from the first debacle, she had bolted down most of the support required.

Then she lost to Trump, and since she was a Senator from New York, probably knew about most of his closetted skeletons, she just didn't have her finger on the pulse of the American people.

[alhoon]

She had two periods with remarkable stability, her tenures of Senator and Secretary of State.

Perhaps, but we're not discussing if 2000 or 2010 Hillary was fit for the presidency. 2017 (which means also 2020) Hillary doesn't seem to be fit for the presidency or a significant public office. She's a battered, tired old woman rejected by the electorate and obviously holding a grudge, behaving as a whiny entitled bad loser, putting several snowflake millennials to shame with her tantrum.
2012 Hillary was still in good enough condition to realize she's better retire from politics and publicity and stepped down from secretary of state. I would dare say that 2011 Hillary was on the fence for passing\not passing the mental fitness bar required for POTUS and that was before she showed what a bad loser she is.

[Ludicus]

Well, yes a parallel thread to an unending Trump thread. So is she mentally fit to be President?

Don't worry, Hillary Clinton says she will never run for office again.

[Pontifex Maximus]

When she was running for the Presidency initially, she may have been mentally fit. I think she is a broken woman now both emotionally and mentally and as such I don't think she should be elected for any public office again. Some of here recent interviews with CBS have been almost chilling with regards to how disconnected she seems and how much bile she has for not only Trump, but basically anyone who also supported her. It's sad to watch but I think in the long run the nation dodged a bullet by not electing her. I'm not so interested in her book at the moment, I'm way more interested in seeing one of her staffers write a book. Shattered kind of hints at fundamental tensions and clashes of personality in the Clinton campaign. Apparently she was wasted on election night and became belligerent. I'm not sure how much of that I believe right now but if it's true, then that's pretty startling.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tteLMfFDCb4

Maybe unrelated, but do the democrats not have someone else to offer the country? Unfortunately Bernie has been tainted by the whole failed Hillary campaign, and Maxine Waters? She's basically a Clinton clone

[Condottiere 40K]

Ever thought you were on to a sure thing?

Arrived at massive effort and expense, making any number of demonic contracts?

[alhoon]

Don't worry, Hillary Clinton says she will never run for office again.

As I recall she more or less said the same in 2012 when she stepped down from secretary of state.

When she was running for the Presidency initially, she may have been mentally fit. I think she is a broken woman now both emotionally and mentally and as such I don't think she should be elected for any public office again. Some of here recent interviews with CBS have been almost chilling with regards to how disconnected she seems and how much bile she has for not only Trump, but basically anyone who also supported her. It's sad to watch but I think in the long run the nation dodged a bullet by not electing her. I'm not so interested in her book at the moment, I'm way more interested in seeing one of her staffers write a book. Shattered kind of hints at fundamental tensions and clashes of personality in the Clinton campaign.

Agreed with all except the underlined part. Trump is worse. Trump won and is behaving like heartbroken Hillary.

Maybe unrelated, but do the democrats not have someone else to offer the country? Unfortunately Bernie has been tainted by the whole failed Hillary campaign, and Maxine Waters? She's basically a Clinton clone

That's a completely different and IMO more important issue that deserves its own thread on the academy. 2016 it was ridiculous on how low the quality of the candidates on both parties was. The Democrats have thousands of people in state\federal legislature. There must be someone better than an old communist far leftwing with utopic ideas to run in 2020 that he would be in is 80s or his protégé, a woman that claims she is a native American because of a great, great, great grandfather.
Please open such a thread so we can start vivisecting various high-ranking democrats and their platforms. It would be very interesting.

[Condottiere 40K]

Everyone knew she was gearing up for twenty sixteen; highly likely part of her armistice deal with Obama and the Democratic Party establishment, besides the Secretary of State gig, after it became clear she won't win the nomination, and further resistance would only damage Obama against McCain.

[Chukada1]

I recently found out that Bernie Sanders, a progressive senator from Vermont was a sexist misogynist who was an anti-Semite who wouldn't stop slandering his opponents and could not hold up an argument regarding policy if his life depended on it.

I also found out that progressives, Russians, Comey, Trump, the DNC, Bernie Sanders, baskets of deplorable Americans, misogynists, feminists, women, white people, Mexicans, African-Americans, Wisconsin, voters, mainstream media, fake news, Jimmy Dore, Jill Stein, people who voted for Barrack Obama in 2008, Yemen, Syria, Libya, no fly zones, Tim Cain, people, are the only reason that Hillary lost the election against Trump.

The election was also rigged. It should never have taken place in parts of America that fit between the East Coast and the West Coast. Hillary did a great job campaigning, but it wasn't fair that literally the entire mainstream media, all the corporations, DNC, and celebrities were against her from DAY 1.

[alhoon]

Actually, truth be told, people are the reason Hillary lost the election.
Hillary is the reason that Hillary lost the people.

[Gaidin]

She didn't get elected.

[Roma_Victrix]

I recently found out that Bernie Sanders, a progressive senator from Vermont was a sexist misogynist who was an anti-Semite who wouldn't stop slandering his opponents and could not hold up an argument regarding policy if his life depended on it.

I also found out that progressives, Russians, Comey, Trump, the DNC, Bernie Sanders, baskets of deplorable Americans, misogynists, feminists, women, white people, Mexicans, African-Americans, Wisconsin, voters, mainstream media, fake news, Jimmy Dore, Jill Stein, people who voted for Barrack Obama in 2008, Yemen, Syria, Libya, no fly zones, Tim Cain, people, are the only reason that Hillary lost the election against Trump.

The election was also rigged. It should never have taken place in parts of America that fit between the East Coast and the West Coast. Hillary did a great job campaigning, but it wasn't fair that literally the entire mainstream media, all the corporations, DNC, and celebrities were against her from DAY 1.

I'm dying here. It's too good!

Maybe if former DNC chair Debbie Wasserman Schulz hadn't undermined Hillary at every turn, she might have had a chance!

Joe Biden has his faults, but the guy really connects with middle class voters and was a great running mate and Vice President for Barack Obama. Compare him to the absolute milk-toast do-good mamsy pamsy that was Tim Kaine, Hillary's running mate. The guy was so incredibly tedious on the campaign trail and just oozes out-of-touch establishment. He's also one of my senators here from Virginia, along with Mark Warner (who I would generally prefer as a political representative over Tim Kaine any day, if the two were ever forced to compete).

In other news, the "Pharma Bro" Martin Shkreli, after being let out on bail on fraud charges, has now been thrown into jail for offering to pay $5,000 to anyone capable of stealing a strand of Hillary Clinton's hair.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-us...-idUSKCN1BO2T8

[Caduet]

why would you even want a "mentally fit" president? leadership is not something for "normal" people. all great leaders are insane by conventional standards, its why they become great.

[empr guy]

You guys should submit applications to fox news, I'm sure they can use a few more writers who have clinton derangement syndrome

Just imagine if she could have won Wisconsin

Now this is a dumb take. Lets see, we give 10 more EV's to clinton and... she still loses? Huh, I thought that going to Wisconsin was trumps kryptonite!

In other words, it takes a lot of things going wrong for a plane to crash. People don't like Clintons book because the blame isn't 100% her's and she won't stop reminding them.

[alhoon]

In other words, it takes a lot of things going wrong for a plane to crash. People don't like Clintons book because the blame isn't 100% her's and she won't stop reminding them.

It is mostly hers and she's a whiny bad loser which is what I think people don't like in her book.