[HS] A Dream of Spring IV (ENDED)

[Parafix]

Also, just because you requested the TBC doesn't mean you'll win and she goes free. She needs to be free before you attack.

Or dead

[Ramble12]

If he's only blockading the port it's 'merchant warfare' not actual 'war', until either side respond with force. If he's sunk a Tommen fleet that's another story but to my knowledge Tommen doesn't have a fleet.

I think he clearly stated he defeated my ships:

Tommen Fleet battle, won with overwhelming odds.

[SoulGamesInc]

I think he clearly stated he defeated my ships

If he did that much he'd need to replay, but what ships? You don't start with any to my knowledge and if you recruited they'd be safe inside ports.

[Ramble12]

That is my point, maybe you missed my first post on that.

I recruited a few and all of them were in ports. I really wonder how he hasn't learned yet that attacking ships inside ports is a bug.

[SoulGamesInc]

My point was if he's defeated a fleet then it had to have been inside a port. That's a bug as you say. He's fairly new, him not knowing wouldn't shock me in the least.

[Mergor]

So if you blockade, thats not a real war? Imo thats not a good rule, because if you have ships in that blockaded port, the only way you can get them out is to use force, which means starting a war. So this is a really, and too effective way imo to start a war with a faction which has one of your family members as hostages.

[SoulGamesInc]

So if you blockade, thats not a real war?

So I've been told. To my knowledge he's using it as incentive/threat for Margs trial, hardly the first instance in history of somebody blocking trade over a grievance. Still, I'm not admin, ask him.

[DrEvilsPjs]

turn will be reuploaded soon sorry guys didn't know about the bug

[DrEvilsPjs]

Also why would i not be able to attack Tommen? The Faith player has Margery, not Tommen....I'm not in a Marriage Alliance with the Tommen faction. Where in these rules does it say "Tyrell and Tommen can't attack eachother because the Faith has captives"

"No adoptions allowed.
Every faction must take the safety of their close relatives above all else. (No attacking factions with relatives held captive) ~ TOMMEN DOESN"T HAVE MARG
Asha Greyjoy and Daenerys Targaryens generals are accompanied by princesses of themselves. These princesses may not leave the generals escort under any condition. If you wish to marry the princess to another faction, contact the admin.
Marriage alliances with direct family houses may not be broken unless one dies.
Forced marriage alliances through captives does not affect the above rule.
The commander ancillaries can only be switched to a different general in the event of death or capture.
Lord Commander of the King/Queensguard may only be transferred in the event of the generals death.
House Stark, Greyjoy, Martell and the Pirate Kingdom may only declare themselves independent kingdoms.
Other houses may join these kingdoms at their own free choice as long as within related held territory.
You may claim enemy generals armor, swords and pets when killing or capturing them. Make sure to message admin with evidence of proof of kill prior.
You may capture dragons under the following conditions; Valyrian trait, child of Valyrian parent, Dragon Horn ancillary or have Brandon Stark."

[Narsils_Shards]

Marg is supposed to be marrying Tommen, however she was taken by the Faith before it could go through. Because of this, you are unable to attack Lannister/Tommen and vice versa, as if you had the marriage alliance. However, because she hasn't married Tommen yet, once she is free, she can go through with the marriage or marry someone else.


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[DrEvilsPjs]

Where in the rules does it say that

[DrEvilsPjs]

Aegon ~ https://www.mediafire.com/file/iipa4...S4_Aegon_1.sav

[Gimli]

It's general RP logic. The Faith are technically allied with the crown b/c they hold Cersei captive...If the faith have Margarery, they aren't going to let you attack the crown or his allies therefor you're bound to Tommen until Margarery is released.

That and attacking with Randyl when he's surrounded in the crownlands probably not the best idea I like the blockading of ports tbh...Talk about incentive for Joe to win the game already Tommen wont have Tyrells fleet...RIP

[Hannibal2001]

If he's only blockading the port it's 'merchant warfare' not actual 'war', until either side respond with force. If he's sunk a Tommen fleet that's another story but to my knowledge Tommen doesn't have a fleet.

Capturing agents from neutral parties is considered WAR. Attacking neutral armies is considered WAR. Blockading neutral ports is considered WAR. I'm not sure who came up with the concept that if you blockade a port is considered a minor offence but not a declaration of WAR. That's just lame and so false the hotseat is turning into a Barbie game if we keep coming up with these rules that make no sense in the eyes of players.

Where in the rules does it say that

Instead of insulting me and Ramble on discord or steam ask the admin for the moves you're not sure of.

[SoulGamesInc]

If you have questions about rules, contact the admin, do not argue in the threads -Any drama in threads, will result in being removed, and banned from future games- least I remind you all of that little rule that doubtless Para would love to execute. Tommen/Faith are considered one entity under the Crown and Tyrell cant attack them (no more than Faith can attack Tyrell) while they have hostages; I have been informed this does not effect blockades.

Edit: The core reason such a rule exists in the first place is to stop Tyrell or the Faith seizing King's Landing on Turn1 without Tommen being able to do anything about it.

[A Man]

Isn't it forced marriage rule thing though? If Tyrell doesn't want to have Marg married to Tommen he is free to attack them? Not that it is any of my business, by all means admins say is final but I'm curious for future disputes...

EDIT: Yeah, just realised Marg is held captive, different rule then, silly me, ignore....

[blue1924]

Fun to come back from a day off to this. The following is my ruling on this entire situation. I will remind you all that the admin's decision is final, and if any of you have any problems with this, you will take it up with me in a private setting outside of this thread.

It is within House Tyrell's right to blockade Tommen's ports for economic reasons, however, it is up to Tommen how he receives it. Since this blockade is a military action, Tommen may take that as a declaration of war, break the betrothal between Tommen and Margaery, and reply in whatever manner they see fit.

Also, House Tyrell has demanded a trial by combat for Margaery, to which the faith has used their right to turn this into a Trial by Seven. This trial will take place on the Faith's turn, so by then I expect to be pmed a list of 7 participants from both DrEvil and Hannibal before then. Also, if any other players generals are being used in the trial, I expect a pm from them giving permission for this general to be used.

[joerock22]

“Aegon has been shaped for rule before he could walk. He has been trained in arms, as befits a knight to be, but that was not the end of his education. He reads and writes, he speaks several tongues, he has studied history and law and poetry. A septa has instructed him in the mysteries of the Faith since he was old enough to understand them. He has lived with fisherfolk, worked with his hands, swum in rivers and mended nets and learned to wash his own clothes at need. He can fish and cook and bind up a wound, he knows what it is like to be hungry, to be hunted, to be afraid. Tommen has been taught that kingship is his right. Aegon knows kingship is his duty, that a king must put his people first, and live and rule for them.”

- Lord Varys


A boy steps off a boat onto the shores of his homeland. He goes to a knee, places his hand against the damp sand, and smiles. At last, he is home.

When he rises, he does so as a king. A king who understands what it means to be a commoner. A king who leads his army from the front, rather than forcing his men to fight for him. A king who cherishes his allies, for life has taught him that friends are precious.

King Aegon Targaryen formally announces his return to Westeros. Let all who long for peace, for justice, for an end to this endless conflict which has wrought destruction and death across the land, flock to his banner.

Daenerys:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwL...ew?usp=sharing

[Alertoverlord]

The turn is ready but I'm waiting for something which specifically can't be done on the admin turn and has to be done on mine. Blue has been very busy, so, I imagine the turn shall be ready until at least tomorrow.I just don't want people pointing fingers and screeching at the sign of delay as it surely isn't on purpose.

[blue1924]

Thank you all for your patience

Lannister up: http://www.mediafire.com/file/c81d9z...annister_1.sav