How Much Longer Will Superhero Movies Dominate Hollywood?

[Condottiere 40K]

Star Wars gets one movie released every year, plus plenty of material to support one or more Disney media platforms, whether a Netflix competitor or a cable channel.

And for Marvel superheroes, one film every season?

Then one live adaptation of a classic Disney property, and one animated movie.

And whatever Pixar is doing, coincidentally, The Incredibles Two next year.

[Knight of Heaven]

Plus we get amazons and batmobile...

[Lord Oda Nobunaga]

Why don't they just adapt the comics, the good comics? DC has so much good stuff lying around. Take your pick: Dark Knight Returns, The Killing Joke, The Judas Contract, Batman Under the Red Hood etc etc.

[Gaidin]

Why don't they just adapt the comics, the good comics? DC has so much good stuff lying around. Take your pick: Dark Knight Returns, The Killing Joke, The Judas Contract, Batman Under the Red Hood etc etc.

Because a straight medium to medium story adaptation has already proven sketchy in the past. Character and theme adaptation, as the numbers have shown, works a helluva lot better.

[RedGuard]

Why don't they just adapt the comics, the good comics? DC has so much good stuff lying around. Take your pick: Dark Knight Returns, The Killing Joke, The Judas Contract, Batman Under the Red Hood etc etc.

because that would require them actually opening a comic book and why do that when your guaranteed just to get millions of asses in seats for having the name of the super hero in the title?

[Condottiere 40K]

Marketing, and word of mouth, or basically, your favourite social media reviewers.

Ambush Bug Messes Up The Timelines would be worth seeing.

[Gaidin]

because that would require them actually opening a comic book and why do that when your guaranteed just to get millions of asses in seats for having the name of the super hero in the title?

Dude. One of the best X-Men movies was Days of Future Past and even that was not a straight adaption. They knew to adapt the themes of Days of Future Past for an X-Men movie story. Anybody that wants them to just rip off the comics straight to the movies needs to just get the frak over it and move on. Why people want direct adaptations is beyond me.

I mean for hell. What happens when you do a straight adaptation.

[Lord Oda Nobunaga]

Yeah it's not like they haven't adapted other comics that were not the Killing Joke.

Days of Future Past was an adaptation, not exact but still close enough. By that argument Killing Joke should be great because it wasn't an exact adaptation either.

[Knight of Heaven]

Killing joke is great. On comic.

There is an animation film of it, but it doesnt quite work very well. Or not in the same way.

On the issue of adaptations, and literal representations, of a source material, i often like to think this problematic on a case by case basis.

I mean the only film i know it comes straight from the comic, is 300. While it worked in this case, it doesnt mean its easy to make it work on other material

Different mediums work differently. And we do see it differently too.

[Lord Oda Nobunaga]

Killing Joke isn't exact either though, they just chose to adapt all of the wrong stuff. I think they even added things to it. Pretty much all of the other animated films they adapted worked out fine.

[Condottiere 40K]

Life action.

We already have Harley; di Caprio would be interesting.

[Lord Oda Nobunaga]

How comic books work:
DC - classic superheroes 50's nostalgia wank
Marvel - new and exciting superheroes millennial cringe
Dark Horse - dark and edgy + Star Wars old 90's
Image - a wide selection of stories failed screenplays and Spawn
Dynamite - pulp fiction nostalgia hot babes
IDW - popular and relevant material 80's nostalgia wank
Valiant - competitor to Marvel ????

[Knight of Heaven]

Killing joke is straight of the comic, but the first part with batgirl and her story, and that last small bit in the end.

Life action.

We already have Harley; di Caprio would be interesting.

Batman was in Med school...

[Lord Oda Nobunaga]

The Batgirl stuff took up like a quarter or third of the movie though. The issue really isn't the adaptation but rather that whoever was writing this movie didn't seem to be able to execute the actual story.

[RedGuard]

Dude. One of the best X-Men movies was Days of Future Past and even that was not a straight adaption. They knew to adapt the themes of Days of Future Past for an X-Men movie story. Anybody that wants them to just rip off the comics straight to the movies needs to just get the frak over it and move on. Why people want direct adaptations is beyond me.

I mean for hell. What happens when you do a straight adaptation.

And considering the success of Days of Future past, one wonders why they dont do it more often. Im sure it has nothing to do with studio heads and directors picking and choosing what elements they like and discarding those they dont making a direct or mostly direct adaptation usually out of the question. Most of the movies that have been colossal failures thematically and critically happen to also be the movies that pull the most from random stories or made up elements, while the ones that are the most well received or commercially successful rely heavily on their comic roots.

[Love Mountain]

There's a lot of good material to work with, but I think inspiration comes out better than adaptation. Film and comics are completely different mediums and should be treated as such.

[Gaidin]

And considering the success of Days of Future past, one wonders why they dont do it more often. Im sure it has nothing to do with studio heads and directors picking and choosing what elements they like and discarding those they dont making a direct or mostly direct adaptation usually out of the question. Most of the movies that have been colossal failures thematically and critically happen to also be the movies that pull the most from random stories or made up elements, while the ones that are the most well received or commercially successful rely heavily on their comic roots.

Unless you've seen the differences in every time they've put up Days of Future Past and the sheer lack of difference in Killing Joke you're not catching my point. Which I find Ironic when you're quoting Oda in your last post that I quoted.

[Lord Oda Nobunaga]

In terms of comparing the original Days of Future past from decades ago it is fairly different from the movie. However when you compare the movie to other comic book adaptations that came out after 1981 then it isn't too different. Essentially what they did in the movie was that instead of sending a character back in time so that the X-Men could solve something, they sent Logan back in time even farther to 1973 so that he could tackle the problem at its root. But the setup is almost the same except that they use the Vietnam War as the backdrop. Mystique is still doing her Mystique thing, Xavier and Magneto are still at odds. The differences to their characters is that they get a backstory of sorts while continuing the story line that they began in First Class. In the execution of the story they ignore the apocalyptic future elements and focus almost entirely on the past, which makes sense.

[Gaidin]

And the utter change in characters that makes for a totally different story makes the point again fly right over your head when direct adaptations somehow keep failing.

[Lord Oda Nobunaga]

Change in characters? The characters are still mostly doing the same thing. In every adaptation of Days of Future Past Logan still plays a large role it is just that in the other ones he goes around the future hunting the MRD and the Sentinels and generally being on the run. Instead of killing Nixon the Mutant Brotherhood, led by Mystique, are trying to assassinate Senator Kelly in 1980. The person being sent back to stop it is Kitty Pride instead of Logan, in some versions it is Professor X. The details are different but at its core it is still Days of Future Past.