Why do we pretend the crimes of Nazi Germany are unique?

[Gaidin]

Soros as a Nazi collaborator??? Really!! He was a child at the time. He was in the protection of a man who is referred to as a collaborator. So what. There is not really any proof beyond association. So does guilt by association = collaboration as a child? What did he do as a child to deserve such an epitaph by you and others.

To add, he is a survivor of that mess as his family is was a non-observant jewish family(a thing the Nazis wouldn't have given two craps about). They posed as Christians to hide in plain sight in Budapest with many other Jewish people. If there going to throw crap at the wall, they could at least throw the right crap at the wall. Where does this come from?

[fkizz]

Soros as a Nazi collaborator??? Really!! He was a child at the time. He was in the protection of a man who is referred to as a collaborator. So what. There is not really any proof beyond association. So does guilt by association = collaboration as a child? What did he do as a child to deserve such an epitaph by you and others.

He said as an adult he felt no remorse. But regardless of said character, point was that associations with stated intention of killing jews in middle east do not subscribe to national socialist/nazi mindset, thus dismantling the idea that killing intent of said ethnicity is always in mandatory association with WWII germany period.

Revenge for what?

They were perceived and blamed as the cause for loss in WWI, and after german civil war there was the supersticion that any jew and communist were the same thing, and as you know national socialist regime gave no benefit of doubt in such cases and made it a cause for treason or worse.

[mishkin]

I see. Totally unjustified, irrational "revenge".

[Ludicus]

Deutsche Welle, a new holocaust testimony,

Nadjari, who ended up surviving the Holocaust was assigned to the “Sonderkommando” unit of prisoners that took bodies from the gas chambers and burned them in a crematorium.

If you read about the things we did, you'll say, how could anyone do that, burn their fellow Jews?” he wrote, adding “That's what I said at first, too, and thought many times.”

We all suffer things here that the human mind can not imagine. Underneath a garden, there are two endless basement rooms: one is meant for undressing, the other is a death chamber. People enter naked and when it is filled with about 3,000 people, it is closed and they are gassed.

The Greek inmate described how prisoners were packed "like sardines" as the Germans used whips to move people closer together before they sealed the doors and let in the gas.
After half an hour, we would open the doors, and our work began, Nadjari wrote. The prisoners' job: delivering the corpses to the crematory ovens, where "a human being ends up as about 640 grams of ashes."

The rarity and historical importance of Nadjari's words, which are now almost entirely legible after originally being discovered in very poor condition, makes them very special, said Russian-born historian Pavel Polian.

Nadjari's message, published for the first time ever in German this month in a quarterly magazine by the Munich-based Institute of Contemporary History (IfZ), is one of nine separate documents found buried at Auschwitz, Polian told DW. The texts, written by a total of five members of the concentration camp's "Sonderkommando" unit, "are the most central documents of the Holocaust"

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My dear leftist fellow,..The Judaicide was unique... you don't realize that i'm not arguing that, never did

My dear white supremacist fellow, that's what this thread is about.The uniqueness of the Jewish genocide.
And, as I pointed before, the Jewish holocaust was a relevant primary goal. From the kristallnacht to the "Final solution", the extermination of the Jews was an almost irrational objective.#85

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Leftists...their slavish adoration of Communism.

Learn this, once for all:
-Communism is practically dead, or dying.
-The paranoid fanaticism of white supremacists/neonazis/altright/ knows no bounds.

[RubiconDecision]

Communism is not dying whatsoever. That is a myth. It has morphed and ultimately you will see a synthesis of something approaching communism with corporatism.

Antifa acting out world wide and waving the banner of anarcho-communism should alarm everyone.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Oc6zR_stszE

[Cyclops]

Communism is not dying whatsoever. That is a myth. It has morphed and ultimately you will see a synthesis of something approaching communism with corporatism.

Antifa acting out world wide and waving the banner of anarcho-communism should alarm everyone.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Oc6zR_stszE

You think the hairy unwashed Occupy Wall Street crowd serves corporations? Your post contains mindblowing cognitive dissonance. I am reminded of when Ian Paisley argued there was an alliance between the Vatican and the Kremlin. Certainly they can be nudged to attack certain enemies but they aren't welcome in George Soros' penthouse.

Given the fundamental principle of Communism is single party system, a classless society and the Socialist economic principle of state owned means of production and no private property its hard to resolve that with the idea of corporate elites owning private companies.

It may be frustration with Tweddle Dee and Tweedle Dum parties in the US has led citizens to resort to more extreme sounding leaders and ideas: some left, and some right wing. Maybe there are faux-Nazi loser scum parading in response to perceived increased Communist activity but I wouldn't credit them with the intelligence to analyse current political trends. I think US citizens who adopt Nazi ideas and symbols are losers who have been squeezed out of the system, like the worst antifa rioters. What's more surprising is more and more reasonable people were prepared to vote for Sanders and Trump: "honey i can't choose between the Socialist and the media clown-heck I'll vote Orange" that's the sure sign of a broken system.

No system works perfectly but the US system has become more skewed in recent decades. The fall of the Soviets left the US no enemy to "keep them honest": anyone who considers China a present threat is dreaming, that's decades away. like Rome after the fall of Carthage the US has turned inwards to find its next enemy, and instead of sharing wealth and opportunities around has sucked more and more of them up into the higher tiers of society.

For all its improbability (or because of it) Socialism contains some very appealing (basically Christian) sentiments: share everything, in the right circumstances everyone can be good, its hard to be a good person when you are wealthy. Socialist failures can be glibly dismissed as "not real communism" (reality being what it is, no ideal notion ever survives contact with actual humans-weirdly the most Socialist country I can think of is a monarchy) and the cultural values it espouses are very broad and strong.

The right wing stuff is every bit as evil, maybe more so. It appeals to racism, a fake notion especially in a bastard nation like the US, and every historical example of Fascism or Nazism has been an insane joke with catastrophic or worse outcomes for the country involved.

To be a red you can good or evil, but you have to naïve or stupid. To be a Nazi you have to be very evil and very stupid.

[RubiconDecision]

You think the hairy unwashed Occupy Wall Street crowd serves corporations? Your post contains mindblowing cognitive dissonance. I am reminded of when Ian Paisley argued there was an alliance between the Vatican and the Kremlin. Certainly they can be nudged to attack certain enemies but they aren't welcome in George Soros' penthouse.

Given the fundamental principle of Communism is single party system, a classless society and the Socialist economic principle of state owned means of production and no private property its hard to resolve that with the idea of corporate elites owning private companies.

It may be frustration with Tweddle Dee and Tweedle Dum parties in the US has led citizens to resort to more extreme sounding leaders and ideas: some left, and some right wing. Maybe there are faux-Nazi loser scum parading in response to perceived increased Communist activity but I wouldn't credit them with the intelligence to analyse current political trends. I think US citizens who adopt Nazi ideas and symbols are losers who have been squeezed out of the system, like the worst antifa rioters. What's more surprising is more and more reasonable people were prepared to vote for Sanders and Trump: "honey i can't choose between the Socialist and the media clown-heck I'll vote Orange" that's the sure sign of a broken system.

No system works perfectly but the US system has become more skewed in recent decades. The fall of the Soviets left the US no enemy to "keep them honest": anyone who considers China a present threat is dreaming, that's decades away. like Rome after the fall of Carthage the US has turned inwards to find its next enemy, and instead of sharing wealth and opportunities around has sucked more and more of them up into the higher tiers of society.

For all its improbability (or because of it) Socialism contains some very appealing (basically Christian) sentiments: share everything, in the right circumstances everyone can be good, its hard to be a good person when you are wealthy. Socialist failures can be glibly dismissed as "not real communism" (reality being what it is, no ideal notion ever survives contact with actual humans-weirdly the most Socialist country I can think of is a monarchy) and the cultural values it espouses are very broad and strong.

The right wing stuff is every bit as evil, maybe more so. It appeals to racism, a fake notion especially in a bastard nation like the US, and every historical example of Fascism or Nazism has been an insane joke with catastrophic or worse outcomes for the country involved.

To be a red you can good or evil, but you have to naïve or stupid. To be a Nazi you have to be very evil and very stupid.

Nice rant. I give it a 1.0 out of 10.0 for unparalleled bias.

I guess the only good American in a bastardized country such as we have is a dead one?


Say,can we freeze dry this turd of a post so we can whip it out on demand as an example of overwhelming polemics?

[Cyclops]

Nice rant. I give it a 1.0 out of 10.0 for unparalleled bias.

I am flattered.

I guess the only good American in a bastardized country such as we have is a dead one?

No. The United States (along with other American countries) enjoys great strength from its mixed heritage. In fact the US is the greatest evidence we have that racial purity is weakness and diversity is strength.

Say,can we freeze dry this turd of a post so we can whip it out on demand as an example of overwhelming polemics?

I apologise for overwhelming you.

[Magnum_Opus]

I am flattered.



No. The United States (along with other American countries) enjoys great strength from its mixed heritage. In fact the US is the greatest evidence we have that racial purity is weakness and diversity is strength.


is detr
I apologise for overwhelming you.

Compare any country, you will find that racial diversity of races other than whites/asians is detrimental.

[NorseThing]

Compare any country, you will find that racial diversity of races other than whites/asians is detrimental.

Perhaps you are confusing the prejudices against immigrants with the strength of the end result of what a mixed heritage brings.

So rather than demand the reader to compare the countries, how about if you bring forth the examples to make your point? Cyclops already provided an example of the USA as to the strength of a mixed heritage which you seemed to dismiss.

[The spartan]

Compare any country, you will find that racial diversity of races other than whites/asians is detrimental.

I don't know, bro, the United States gets to lay claim to Jazz because it had racial diversity. Jazz! Like, other countries get their same-y music bs they try to hold up and we can smack it down while yelling "Jazz" in their face.

[Dismounted Feudal Knight]

Largely a matter of propoganda. What does not come to the forefront is Stalin's extermination of his citizens in throwing them against German machine guns, or the elimination of anyone opposed to his regime. It's often ignored that the Japanese-American population in the US was treated poorly. The reluctance of the US population to even join the war both times can sometimes be brushed over. Genocide and mistreatment of various groups has been done by just about every country in the world, and how close to the forefront that is depends on what is politically convenient at the time.

It is far easier to kill the enemy when you don't think of them as human beings that are just like you, only speak another language and live in a different area. It's easier when they are instead demons, monsters of the sort that you would meet in Doom or Diablo, that deserve to be destroyed. Blood is often on the hands of all sides, but it's the winners who write history, and so it's the winners that help shape the perspective of how much blood is on each set of hands.

[Love Mountain]

Largely a matter of propoganda. What does not come to the forefront is Stalin's extermination of his citizens in throwing them against German machine guns, or the elimination of anyone opposed to his regime.

There's a sizable wikipedia page on the Great Purge, there are a plethora of books on Stalin, his crimes, and his legacy.

It's often ignored that the Japanese-American population in the US was treated poorly.

It was part of my middle school and high school curriculum and it's even frequently mentioned in popular media; such as the series Cold Case, which had an episode dedicated to a Japanese American who was murdered in 1945. Episode Family 8108

The reluctance of the US population to even join the war both times can sometimes be brushed over. Genocide and mistreatment of various groups has been done by just about every country in the world, and how close to the forefront that is depends on what is politically convenient at the time.

Pretty sure every single history class cites Pearl Harbor as the tipping stone of joining the war, which Americans did not want to join. My experience as an American citizen, is that the academia and schools are remarkably self-aware.

[Dismounted Feudal Knight]

There's a sizable wikipedia page on the Great Purge, there are a plethora of books on Stalin, his crimes, and his legacy.



It was part of my middle school and high school curriculum and it's even frequently mentioned in popular media; such as the series Cold Case, which had an episode dedicated to a Japanese American who was murdered in 1945. Episode Family 8108



Pretty sure every single history class cites Pearl Harbor as the tipping stone of joining the war, which Americans did not want to join. My experience as an American citizen, is that the academia and schools are remarkably self-aware.

To an extent, those things are acknowledged, yet they are brought into open discussion far less frequently and less openly in my experience. They get short spurts of attention in relative conversation and debate, yet my experiences with people is that it's far easier to get people to decry the horrors of Hitler than the horrors of their own countries or of the administrations who fought the Nazis. Perhaps it is a regional thing. I'm living in a rather insane part of the US, so opinions at large may well be closer to what you describe in terms of giving other parties their fair share.

[Love Mountain]

To an extent, those things are acknowledged, yet they are brought into open discussion far less frequently and less openly in my experience. They get short spurts of attention in relative conversation and debate, yet my experiences with people is that it's far easier to get people to decry the horrors of Hitler than the horrors of their own countries or of the administrations who fought the Nazis. Perhaps it is a regional thing. I'm living in a rather insane part of the US, so opinions at large may well be closer to what you describe in terms of giving other parties their fair share.

Perhaps. Or maybe it's the other way around, perhaps my state, Washington, is far more self-aware of their American identity and far less concerned with Nazis than other areas. In any case, both Soviet and Nazi crimes are terrible in their own way and stand above other similar events. Japanese-American internment, while illegal and telling of just how fragile human civility is in the face of war, is not in the same class of crimes.

[NorseThing]

Perhaps. Or maybe it's the other way around, perhaps my state, Washington, is far more self-aware of their American identity and far less concerned with Nazis than other areas. In any case, both Soviet and Nazi crimes are terrible in their own way and stand above other similar events. Japanese-American internment, while illegal and telling of just how fragile human civility is in the face of war, is not in the same class of crimes.

Agreed that the Japanese internment is not in the same class, but it is very disturbing. I know my parents (may they rest in peace) lived thru the era and did not think it to be significant so maybe there is something there that I am blind to. We did not round up the Germans or the Italians in the same manner, though some were interned (detained without trial) on suspicion alone. Like you said, it was in the face of war. A situation that I cannot imagine.

[Geronimo2006]

After 1945 the allies said "never again", and then failed to lift a finger to prevent it happening again and again.

I think though that it is fair to call it unique. It was the first genocide in which industrial processes and mechanisation played a crucial role. It was unique in that the regime meticulously recorded the names and numbers of the victims. Especially it is one of very few in which s number of the senior leaders and organisers of the genocide were successfully tried. The latter cannot be said of the Holodomor in the USSR.

[athanaric]

I don't know, bro, the United States gets to lay claim to Jazz because it had racial diversity. Jazz! Like, other countries get their same-y music bs they try to hold up and we can smack it down while yelling "Jazz" in their face.

Are you serious? How are the US special in terms of musical culture? Did you know that other cultures have their own sophisticated musical traditions, in fact multiple styles over the course of time? Do you know which language is generally used in musical notation? Hin't: it ain't English, nor any dialect thereof.
Not that I really agree with wyrda's comment, but the ignorace and lack of education displayed in yours is on an entirely different level.

Agreed that the Japanese internment is not in the same class, but it is very disturbing. I know my parents (may they rest in peace) lived thru the era and did not think it to be significant so maybe there is something there that I am blind to. We did not round up the Germans or the Italians in the same manner, though some were interned (detained without trial) on suspicion alone. Like you said, it was in the face of war. A situation that I cannot imagine.

I think that's not exclusively due to racial bias though, but also the practical reason that the number of Italian-Americans and, even more so, German-Americans is vastly bigger that that of Japanese-Americans, especially back in those days. I mean, you can't lock up a third of your population...

[Love Mountain]

Are you serious? How are the US special in terms of musical culture? Did you know that other cultures have their own sophisticated musical traditions, in fact multiple styles over the course of time? Do you know which language is generally used in musical notation? Hin't: it ain't English, nor any dialect thereof.
Not that I really agree with wyrda's comment, but the ignorace and lack of education displayed in yours is on an entirely different level.

I thought the sarcasm was pretty obvious. Or am I missing yours?

[Heathen Hammer]

To add, he is a survivor of that mess as his family is was a non-observant jewish family(a thing the Nazis wouldn't have given two craps about). They posed as Christians to hide in plain sight in Budapest with many other Jewish people. If there going to throw crap at the wall, they could at least throw the right crap at the wall. Where does this come from?

Soros doesn't really deserve just "right crap", he deserves every bit of crap thrown at him and more. I doubt he was a "Nazi" in any coherent way, but the more damage done to his activity and reputation, the better (especially given how he supports anti-Israeli muslim terrorism groups). If people have boner for hating Nazis, then he should he be accused of being such just to with him. I mean FFS sake, this shriveled old vile thing is IRL Bond villain who is actually wanted for criminal charges in multiple countries all over the world.