Islamic terrorism isolated incident number 123434567: Hamburg attack

[ioannis76]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40763369

So, it turns out that the Hamburg attack suspect was a known islamist. For those who don't know , there was a knife attack by one man in a Hamburg supermarket, leaving one person dead and six injured. This is the latest in a string of murders by means of trucks, cars, and now even knives, throughout Europe. Very recent examples are the UK, France and even Sweden, which has never, in any way "provoked" the muslims or had any colonies in the mid East.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...ates-terrorism

I believe that all these attacks will inevitably wake up the Westerners, who will react by voting for more conservative parties. In fact, even now one can compare the influence of conservative Parties such as Lepen's National Front, or even the UKIP 10 years ago with their influence today, and it's easy to see that this influence has increased. In countries that have borne the brunt of immigration, although not of terrorism in the classic sense, such as Greece or Italy, conservative parties are also on the rise. In my view, the reaction has already begun, slowly at first, gaining momentum as it goes along.

How long will it be until the people of Europe react to all this? And what will the reaction look like? (I'm not sure if hashtags prayforxx can count as "reactions".)
And another question. Why do you think that countries that are the "corridors" of islamic immigration, such as Greece and Italy not attacked?

[PointOfViewGun]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40763369

So, it turns out that the Hamburg attack suspect was a known islamist. For those who don't know , there was a knife attack by one man in a Hamburg supermarket, leaving one person dead and six injured. This is the latest in a string of murders by means of trucks, cars, and now even knives, throughout Europe. Very recent examples are the UK, France and even Sweden, which has never, in any way "provoked" the muslims or had any colonies in the mid East.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...ates-terrorism

I believe that all these attacks will inevitably wake up the Westerners, who will react by voting for more conservative parties. In fact, even now one can compare the influence of conservative Parties such as Lepen's National Front, or even the UKIP 10 years ago with their influence today, and it's easy to see that this influence has increased. In countries that have borne the brunt of immigration, although not of terrorism in the classic sense, such as Greece or Italy, conservative parties are also on the rise. In my view, the reaction has already begun, slowly at first, gaining momentum as it goes along.

How long will it be until the people of Europe react to all this? And what will the reaction look like? (I'm not sure if hashtags prayforxx can count as "reactions".)
And another question. Why do you think that countries that are the "corridors" of islamic immigration, such as Greece and Italy not attacked?

First of all, I'm curious about the title. Can you perhaps give the actual number of Islamist attacks, or attacks by Muslims as you most likely mean, in Europe?

What's weird to me here is that the idea that conservative parties somehow have a magic solution to any of these problems when in fact some of the deadliest terror attacks occurred under conservative governments...

The idea that UK is not a country that in any way "provoked" "the Muslims" is also a quite baffling point, and most people know why countries such as Sweden become a target as in simple terms Europe is seen as single block and not states are not evaluated individually.

The real question to ask in this case is how a failed asylum seeker who is on the Islamist database and known to have mental health issue is left roaming in the public. In almost every single of these cases there are indications of administrative oversight. Is it deliberate or due to incompetence?

[Diocle]

First of all, I'm curious about ..

First of all I'm curious about why, when a Muslim kills unarmed people in our streets, for some people the reaction is the following:

1 - "They are not Muslims."

2 - In the case (as it happens 99,9999999 % of the times) the first point is a total failure, the second retreat trench is: "Not all Muslims are terrorists." To which I answer yes, not all Muslims are terrorists but
ALL TERRORISTS ARE MUSLIMS, and .. the job is done.

3 - In the case the first two trenches are untenable, then, the third retreat trench usually is: "The man had mental healt problems!", which is an utterly idiotic statement seen that more than 38% of European popuation has mental healt issues but only Muslim guys with mental healt problems kill people, at the cry of "allha uakbar!" or some other demential religious crap.

4 - The fourth retreat trench, which is reserved to leftist indoctrinated personell only, is this one: "Because of the West did bad things to the poor Islamist guys, they have any right to kill unarmed people in our streets!" .. but, just reading few economic statistics about wealthy in Gulf countries, that are the starting locations of great part of terrorist groups acting in Europe, can easily dismantle also this last idiotic resort!

5 - In the end the pro-Muslim-usually-leftist-fan-boy chooses to impale himself on the altar of mass-idiocy, using the final weapon, the final insult inherited directly by Stalin: "Fascists!"
.. in the laughable hope some idiot will believe in their last desperate invective.


The truth? Sadly, Muslim population is affected by a tragic childhood disease: Terrorism!
There is nothing you can think, say or do to change this factual truth, and the consequence of this factual truth is that we need to expel all the Muslim migrants from Europe, if we want to stay alive.

[PointOfViewGun]

First of all I'm curious about why, when a Muslim kills unarmed people in our streets, for some people the reaction is the following:

1 - "They are not Muslims."

2 - In the case (as it happens 99,9999999 % of the times) the first point is a total failure, the second retreat trench is: "Not all Muslims are terrorists." To which I answer yes, not all Muslims are terrorists but
ALL TERRORISTS ARE MUSLIMS, and .. the job is done.

3 - In the case the first two trenches are untenable, then, the third retreat trench usually is: "The man had mental healt problems!", which is an utterly idiotic statement seen that 38% of European popuation has mental healt issues but only Muslim guys with mental healt problems kill people, at the cry of "allha uakbar!" or some other demential religious crap.

4 - The fourth retreat trench, which is reserved to leftist indoctrinated personell only, is this one: "Because of the West did bad things to the poor Islamist guys, they have any right to kill unarmed people in our streets!" .. but, just reading few economic statistics about wealthy in Gulf countries, that are the starting locations of great part of terrorist groups acting in Europe, can easily dismantle also this last idiotic resort!

5 - In the end the pro-Muslim-usually-leftist-fan-boy chooses to impale himself on the altar of mass-idiocy, using the final weapon, the final insult inherited directly by Stalin: "Fasists!"
.. in the laughable hope some idiot will believe in their last desperate invective.


The truth? Sadly, Muslim population is affected by a tragic childhood disease: Terrorism!
There is nothing you can think, say or do to change this factual truth, and the consequence of this factual truth is that we need to expel all the Muslim migrants from Europe, if we want to stay alive.

1 - Nobody made that argument.

2 - Nobody said not all Muslims are terrorists though that goes without saying and we know for a fact that all terrorists are not Muslims.

3 - In this thread, mental health issue was only mentioned as only one factor of red flag among others that could have ticked the authorities. So, such an argument was not used in the capacity that you provide. However, we have shown non-Muslims making bizarre killings and invoking religious factors before. A mother who hacked her own babies' head and parading the streets chanting "Thank you Jesus! Thank you Lord!" distinctively comes to mind...

4 - Nobody made that argument either. Though, we should note that just because states like Qatar or Saudi Arabia are seen as wealthy states their people are not. Hence, it would be a very ignorant argument to label these countries' population as wealthy.

5 - Nobody called any one fascist either.

Bonus - You make all these faulty points while failing to actually address the post you quote.

[ioannis76]

1 - Nobody made that argument.

And today we had another non-muslim (Iraqi shooting people in a nightclub in Konstanz. The police say it has nothing to do with terrorism, too (of course, what's terrifying about a guy who comes and shoots people?):

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-3...nstanz/8758012

I am beginning to lose count with the incidents.

[Fourteen]

The incident the OP mentions was virtually ignored by the UK media. The Guardian reported it but presented it is a random attack. In fact the attacker shouted "allah Akbar" before stabbing the victim to death.

Islamic attacks upon native Europeans are occurring almost every week now. That's the reality. It will inevitably become even more common as the muslim population of Europe grows larger. Will we be brave enough to recognise the problem and ban muslims from Europe?

[PointOfViewGun]

And today we had another non-muslim (Iraqi shooting people in a nightclub in Konstanz. The police say it has nothing to do with terrorism, too (of course, what's terrifying about a guy who comes and shoots people?):

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-3...nstanz/8758012

I am beginning to lose count with the incidents.

Do you have any fact on that new example that the incident was related to the religion of the individual? I doubt so.

You shouldn't be losing count of these incidents. You should be able to provide some actual data on them.

The incident the OP mentions was virtually ignored by the UK media. The Guardian reported it but presented it is a random attack. In fact the attacker shouted "allah Akbar" before stabbing the victim to death.

Islamic attacks upon native Europeans are occurring almost every week now. That's the reality. It will inevitably become even more common as the muslim population of Europe grows larger. Will we be brave enough to recognise the problem and ban muslims from Europe?

Saying that the UK media ignored this incident while the thread starts with an article from the BBC is a tricky feat....

[Fourteen]

Saying that the UK media ignored this incident while the thread starts with an article from the BBC is a tricky feat....

When the incident was fresh it was almost universally reported as a random attack, including by the BBC. This was despite witnesses on the ground testifying that the attacker shouted "Allah Akbar" before stabbing the victim. You should know by now that their policy relies on incidents being overtaken in the news cycle, so they acknowledge the truth of the incident a couple of days afterwards knowing it will no longer have as much of an impact.

[swabian]

Why only terrorism?
"Einzellfall map" (Engl,: map of single isolated cases in Germany)
https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer...1633496192&z=5

[Nebaki]

Missing Part here :"psychologically unstability of the Attacker/Victim"

Im living in Germany and i must ad here that nobody has here showing an schocking reaction like ioannis76.

[athanaric]

Missing Part here :"psychologically unstability of the Attacker/Victim"

Last time I checked, the attackers in both cases were not identical with the victims.

Im living in Germany and i must ad here that nobody has here showing an schocking reaction like ioannis76.

Have you polled everybody in Germany or how do you know this?

[swabian]

nobody has here showing an schocking reaction like ioannis76.

neither did i.

[Prodromos]

Fairly sure we've had this discussion before.

[PointOfViewGun]

Fairly sure we've had this discussion before.

Yes, we've been through how ignorant that is.

[Prodromos]

Yes, we've been through how ignorant that is.

Refresh our memories then.

[mongrel]

The incident the OP mentions was virtually ignored by the UK media. The Guardian reported it but presented it is a random attack. In fact the attacker shouted "allah Akbar" before stabbing the victim to death.

Islamic attacks upon native Europeans are occurring almost every week now. That's the reality. It will inevitably become even more common as the muslim population of Europe grows larger. Will we be brave enough to recognise the problem and ban muslims from Europe?

As the OP contains two UK sources I mock this suggestion.

[Iskar]

While I hate to interrupt the great cooperative "Let's dig our own holes"-project, I would like to remind you that
a) what other users said in other threads is off-topic,
b) uncommented images, links, videos and quotes are deleted without further notice
c) personal references and insults are of course strictly prohibited
d) we are sorry for those whose otherwise fine posts had to be deleted for continuity as they responded to posts that were deleted for reasons a) - c).

Keep in mind that the Mudpit is dedicated to discussing particular recent events and general discussions about what constitutes "true Islam" belong in the EM&M and those about a general fear/danger of white people being wiped out belong in the Academy. Solely using the incident mentioned in the OP as an opportunity to discuss the two former points without regard to the particular incident will quickly get those discussions moved appropriately.

[PointOfViewGun]

Refresh our memories then.

The main point is that it's neither comprehensive enough to be useful nor coherent.

[Iskar]

The tangent on terrorism in general has been moved to the Academy.

[Iskar]

As you are continuing the tangent on terrorism in general that has already been moved to the Academy and show no interest in discussing the incident at hand, this thread is being closed. The last two posts are being moved to the Academy discussion.