police are unable or unwilling to protect against antifa barbarians. why?

[NosPortatArma]

g20 in hamburg, lots of thugs there burning cars and what not under the guise of hating trump and capitalism, as if that made it okay to destroy random people's stuff.

I feel that if thousands of nazis were to gather in a city and riot like antifa are doing, there would rightly be outrage, if the police would even allow it. but for antifa it seems people think its just something unavoidable we have to live with.

but how hard is it really? rubber bullets? tear gas? and why are these thugs even allowed to freely travel to cities and riot? why are they not already in jail or under surveillance? government keeps track of right wing extremist, but it seems left wing ones are free to make trouble. why arent the government treating them as the terrorists they actually are?

i cant be the only one who thinks government is too soft on extermist lefties, right?

for reference here is the results of the "fight against fascism". arent the hamburgers outraged by this? shops looted and cars burnt.

[ioannis76]

Because they are the same. Antifa take the role of doing what the government can't "officially" do, ie use good old violence to terrorise people into accepting its agenda, ie illegal immigrant (a great percentage of which are common thugs not to mention wahhabi terrorists). One can notice that there has never been a public condemnation of the actions of antifa by any leftist party. On the contrary, if you are in a country such as Greece, you would see the Church, the Police, and the Government itself attempting to come into some sort of a discussion with the "anarchists", have already come to such "discussions", or are the biological fathers of antifa (Syriza president of the parliament Nikos Voutsis is the proud father of anarchist armed robber of a bank Giorgos Voutsis).

[dogukan]

So can alt-righters decide?
Does antifa serve globalists or not?
G-20 is the epitome of globalists...

[Sir Adrian]

SJWs, feminists and all the special snowflakes tend to vote a lot more than the average individual and they are organized so they direct all votes towards one candidate. So, of course politicians have to listen to them if they want to keep their chair.

A lot of evils in this world would be fixed/avoided if everybody bothered to vote (see Wilders, Le Pen, Hitlary Clinton and Theresa "i'm an evil bastard" May losing the elections this year as examples of the power of voting)

[ioannis76]

So can alt-righters decide?
Does antifa serve globalists or not?
G-20 is the epitome of globalists...

It's quite simple. The ANTIFA are in fact helping the G-20, by means of their violent riots. Why? Because they give bad publicity to the people who are against the g-20 (if you say anything against the g-20 you are automatically a "hooligan"). Secondly, they prevent actual people from taking to the streets to protest. These people might have had something to say, something substantial against the g-20 in front of the cameras. Now they can't do that, because they can't protest because of the violence. Third, the divert attention away from the g-20 and what they decide upon. Everyone is more concerned with the violence that's going on, and the property damage. And of course, they are not harming the g-20 in any way. They are safe behind rows upon rows of cops, walls, and under the protection of helicopters.

[Heathen Hammer]

We already know that unless it comes to arresting someone for criticizing immigration policy, police in EU is quite inept and unable to counter violent threats from groups like antifa or ISIS.
In case of antifa, another important aspect is that who is funding them?

[B. W.]

And so many of the signs they held were written in English. So whose attention do you think they were trying to get?

[Gäiten]

And so many of the signs they held were written in English. So whose attention do you think they were trying to get?

Their buddy snowflakes residing in their universities` safe spaces.

[swabian]

g20 in hamburg, lots of thugs there burning cars and what not under the guise of hating trump and capitalism, as if that made it okay to destroy random people's stuff.

I feel that if thousands of nazis were to gather in a city and riot like antifa are doing, there would rightly be outrage, if the police would even allow it. but for antifa it seems people think its just something unavoidable we have to live with.

but how hard is it really? rubber bullets? tear gas? and why are these thugs even allowed to freely travel to cities and riot? why are they not already in jail or under surveillance? government keeps track of right wing extremist, but it seems left wing ones are free to make trouble. why arent the government treating them as the terrorists they actually are?

i cant be the only one who thinks government is too soft on extermist lefties, right?

Police is reacting to them, but they are simply very resilient, determined and full of self-righteous zeal that serves to vent their personal frustrations and self-righteous anger towards society, God and the world, and it therefore turns out to be accordingly spectacular.

but how hard is it really? rubber bullets? tear gas? and why are these thugs even allowed to freely travel to cities and riot? why are they not already in jail or under surveillance? government keeps track of right wing extremist, but it seems left wing ones are free to make trouble. why arent the government treating them as the terrorists they actually are?

i cant be the only one who thinks government is too soft on extermist lefties, right?

The police personnell is heeding their dutybound and legal restrictions, of course, and in an admirably disciplined way at that. Many were deployed on the streets for up to 20 hours, and this circumstance has even led to a few suffering circulatory collapses in the heat.

Suggesting harsher measures is a fair point, but a cheap one, since they are already pushing the limits out of sheer necessity and those punks aren't really terrorists after all, despicable as they certainly are. To throw tear gas in a densely packed crowd (it's basically a horrendous 'pushing orgy' with no interpersonal space at all) can cause a mass panic, potentially resulting in fatalities.

The entire attitude in Germany and in Europe as a whole towards left-wing extremism has to drastically change before effective measures can be seriously suggested and established as a matter of tedious parliamentary discourse, you know how it is...

There is always talk about how right wing extremism has supposedly moved closer to the center of society, but the exact opposite is the case! The reaction of the right-wing is a symptomatic and rather marginal reflex to the entire society having drastically moved to the left since 2009. In fact, left-wing extremism has become much more widely accepted by the society as a whole, which resulted in a general tendency to turn a blind eye to leftard punks.

This is not made up by me, of course, there was a solid and large scale study in 2015 proving just that (in German):

http://www.zeit.de/gesellschaft/zeit...rlin-interview (February, 2015)
http://www.zeit.de/gesellschaft/zeit...-linksautonome (July, 2016)

So there is awareness about that, but the problem is that it hasn't been taken seriously which is exactly the stance of the author of the first article.

I translate the headline:

"Die Gesellschaft ist nach links gerückt"
Ansätze linksextremen Denkens sind weit verbreitet, zeigt eine Studie. Warum das kein Problem ist und wir uns trotzdem sorgen müssen,...

"Society has moved to the left
Tendencies of left-wing extremism are widespread, study shows. Why this isn't a problem and why we have to worry nevertheless,..."

Well, they have to reconsider the former notion now, don't they. :

[Adar]

The police and the violent protesters are carrying out a cat and mouse game where non-violent protesters provide the violent ones with (often willing) human shields. Current public perception (especially in Germany it seems) makes it hard for the police to catch the hooligans and in this particular issue I agree with swabian.

It also seem that the German politicians massively underestimated the willingness of the Black Block and other organisations to commit to violence. Prior to the G20 meeting several high ranking politicians promised a firm police response (read more here) which has been difficult to live up to. We had similar issues in the early 2000s which escalated and which only really died down after the police in Genoa actually killed one of the violent protesters, beat up a lot of innocent protesters and later top meetings have often been kept outside of cities as it is easier to prevent violent protesters from hiding in larger crowds.

[athanaric]

One of them is being charged with attempted double murder now, for blinding two helicopter pilots.
http://www.presseportal.de/blaulicht/pm/6337/3679687

The rest have been busy stockpiling bricks on the roofs, in order to throw them at police from above.

One of their Antifa pseudo-journalists has incited a lynch mob against a group of independent journalists, because one of them (who is politically unaffiliated with the others) was wearing an Identitarian Movement shirt. Two of the actual journalists have been injured.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017...ling-fascists/

Obviously, the radical left only employs violence against objects^TM.

And so many of the signs they held were written in English. So whose attention do you think they were trying to get?

That in itself isn't news. These people are always trying to prove how "cool" and "intellectual" they are. A lot of their propaganda material in Germany is in English or bilingual, some of it is even in French, Turkish etc.

[swabian]

The police and the violent protesters are carrying out a cat and mouse game where non-violent protesters provide the violent ones with (often willing) human shields.

They are very well organized and it isn't like that at all, but let's just assume it was like that: how are those tactical supports "non-violent"?

[The spartan]

Isn't there a G20 riot every time?

[Adar]

They are very well organized and it isn't like that at all, but let's just assume it was like that: how are those tactical supports "non-violent"?

I think the first few seconds of the video on this article is perhaps the most blatant example of willing human shields with the hippie guy in the front getting sprayed while standing in front of what looks like your average Antifa thug throwing rocks at the police. Blasting that hippie guy with a water cannon looks terrible with footage from the wrong angle. Overall in Hamburg there seems to be around ~100 000 demonstrators and out of them 1 500 - 8000 are violent (source). Meaning that many demonstrators are not even close to the attacks on police or property but willingly or unwillingly provide a human shield for the violent protesters to hide behind.

For a good example of how effective these human shields are for propaganda purposes I suggest looking at this thread where one of our more prolific Turkish posters continuously try to divert the topic based on the fact that a Turkish protester in Rotterdam was bitten by a dog while doing exactly what the hippie guy did in the movie I linked claiming it to be evidence of police brutality in the West.

My personal opinion is that anyone claiming to be a non-violent protester have a duty to leave an area when required to do so by the police as it otherwise becomes impossible for the police to manage violent protesters. I assume that your comment is based on the fact that you hold a similar opinion but object to my usage of the term non-violent as you consider willing human shields used for violent tactics to be a part of the violent protest.

[Basil II the B.S]

So can alt-righters decide?
Does antifa serve globalists or not?
G-20 is the epitome of globalists...

They do. They think they fight ''capitalism'' by serving the causes of.... George Soros, aka the man who dismantled socialist economies in Eastern Europe, bought for millions state enterprises then worthy billions once the economy recovered. On top of that, he bought his way into left wing parties depriving them of any left wing economic elements and turning them into peons for his own games.

That's the state of the ''modern left''. Everything Marx warned against, Soros did. Antifa being the useful idiots, the pawns to sacrifice for his game.

All which is shows how badly the West needs a political revolution to get rid of threats to democracy and peace like those.

[the_mango55]

It's quite simple. The ANTIFA are in fact helping the G-20, by means of their violent riots. Why? Because they give bad publicity to the people who are against the g-20 (if you say anything against the g-20 you are automatically a "hooligan"). Secondly, they prevent actual people from taking to the streets to protest. These people might have had something to say, something substantial against the g-20 in front of the cameras. Now they can't do that, because they can't protest because of the violence. Third, the divert attention away from the g-20 and what they decide upon. Everyone is more concerned with the violence that's going on, and the property damage. And of course, they are not harming the g-20 in any way. They are safe behind rows upon rows of cops, walls, and under the protection of helicopters.

Are you claiming that they are intentionally helping the G20?

Or that the Sorosluminati is using them as pawns in their grand scheme to control the world?

Were Antifa also directed by this shadowy cabal to help Trump when they rioted against him?

[Emperor Arcturus Mengsk]

I think ioannis was pointing out the fact that the riots are counter productive, not that they are a shadow cabal thingy mr mango!

[ByzantinePowerGame]

Germany needs a Freikorps...

[ByzantinePowerGame]

The antifa in Hamburg also put the First Lady [Donald Trump's wife] in danger.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/396824...-g20-protests/


This should be reason enough for the US to declare Germany a failed state, invade the country, disarm the military and police, round up the antifa, and then establish a new government that will maintain law and order and curtail any future antifa.

The German government is apparently either unable or unwilling to maintain order and protect its decent citizens from violence at the hands of revolutionary cut-throats and thugs, similar to what is going on in Venezuela, the state is smiling and nodding as non-state actors engage in violence against regime enemies with the tacit approval of the regime.

Germany's government is illegitimate and should be overthrown by a coalition of reasonable powers, powers such as Russia and the USA. The USA could insert US Army Special Forces [Green Berets] into Germany and begin arming and training native Germans to rise up.


Germany is a threat to NATO and a threat to the collective security of Europe because they are betraying NATO and allowing millions of future jihadi fifth columnists into the heartland of Europe, similar to what France is doing.


Were I the President of the USA and my wife were pinned down in a hotel in Hamburg because German police were refusing to do anything to control an uprising of antifa in the city, I would have gotten on the phone with European Command of the US military and ordered that a brigade from southern Germany be dispatched to Hamburg without delay, and that the 173rd Airborne Brigade Combat Team be deployed out of Italy into Hamburg and that they use any and all necessary or prudent force to get into Hamburg and secure the area around the hotel.

I would probably tell Merkel "you'll do what you're best at, nothing, or else you'll be in a prison cell awaiting trial before the end of the month."

[the_mango55]

The antifa in Hamburg also put the First Lady [Donald Trump's wife] in danger.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/396824...-g20-protests/


This should be reason enough for the US to declare Germany a failed state, invade the country, disarm the military and police, round up the antifa, and then establish a new government that will maintain law and order and curtail any future antifa.

The German government is apparently either unable or unwilling to maintain order and protect its decent citizens from violence at the hands of revolutionary cut-throats and thugs, similar to what is going on in Venezuela, the state is smiling and nodding as non-state actors engage in violence against regime enemies with the tacit approval of the regime.

Germany's government is illegitimate and should be overthrown by a coalition of reasonable powers, powers such as Russia and the USA. The USA could insert US Army Special Forces [Green Berets] into Germany and begin arming and training native Germans to rise up.


Germany is a threat to NATO and a threat to the collective security of Europe because they are betraying NATO and allowing millions of future jihadi fifth columnists into the heartland of Europe, similar to what France is doing.


Were I the President of the USA and my wife were pinned down in a hotel in Hamburg because German police were refusing to do anything to control an uprising of antifa in the city, I would have gotten on the phone with European Command of the US military and ordered that a brigade from southern Germany be dispatched to Hamburg without delay, and that the 173rd Airborne Brigade Combat Team be deployed out of Italy into Hamburg and that they use any and all necessary or prudent force to get into Hamburg and secure the area around the hotel.

I would probably tell Merkel "you'll do what you're best at, nothing, or else you'll be in a prison cell awaiting trial before the end of the month."

And then Trump will get into his megazord and bomb the evil Blerkenites on Saturn's moon Titan. Sorry, this part was a little too realistic for that fantasy scenario you have constructed.