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    I'm not sure if this is common knowledge or not, but I've basically come to the conclusion that Greek factions have the most mid-game potential of any other culture. Many of you may have discovered that if you choose to occupy (not loot) a town/city of the same culture, your army will receive "double plus" regeneration the same turn. This opens up the opportunity to "sprint" your conquering elite army across regions sharing your faction's culture, as once you defeat the handful of stacks the other faction is fielding you can basically hop from town to town as the couple dozen troops you will lose to the far inferior enemy garrison units are replaced by the next turn. Provincial capitals can provide more of a challenge, but you can often attack an army outside of it and lure the garrison that way.

    For many cultures (Celts, Germans, Persians, etc) this will provide some opportunity for early expansion, but it is often better to loot settlements in the early game to provide the much-needed cash and slaves needed to expand your infrastructure and turn yourself into an economic powerhouse, and in turn fund your armies. This strategy really becomes powerful once you already have the economic means to support an empire, but with those cultures you've often eaten up much of the territory sharing your culture.

    However, seeing as Alexander was kind enough to conquer and Hellenize a solid chunk of the map, in addition to the Greek colonies already spread out over the Mediterranean, there are vast swaths of land open for rapid expansion. If you're lucky, some other Greek factions will expand themselves and Hellenize even more territory for you! This, combined with the fact that Greeks have arguably the best anvil infantry in the game, access to good shock cav/elephants (depending on the faction), awesome missile infantry, solid hammer infantry after reforms, and great AoR units, allows you to go on some pretty awesome lightning campaigns. Auto resolving isn't usually ever an option for this to work, but you'll also rarely have to deal with rebel armies.

    In short, due to the new population system and overhauled Greek rosters, Hellenic factions make for some extremely enjoyable and interesting campaigns. I'll definitely be playing with them a lot more than I was prior to these last few updates.

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    Now, what's your favorite Hellenic faction to conquer the world with ? xD

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    Interesting point about the Hellenization of the world helping with population issues. I like how even though many Hellenic factions are forced to rely on tier 1 and 2 units, they also have more spread out options for expansion into same culture areas. So the pop system allows for a lot of faction differentiation based on cultures.

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    The greeks have the best core units. No other army can match their flexibility and lack of weakness in all areas. Endgame, other factions may outclass them in certain areas but you are never truly weak. Also, you have a built in network of trade to exploit.

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    Τhe Greeks could rule the world...Alexander did...He took an army to the far Indus.
    Rome Total War 1 chills.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zirteh View Post
    Now, what's your favorite Hellenic faction to conquer the world with ? xD
    Epirus for sure. I've said this in another thread, but with a single army lead by Phyrros, consisting of (except for very early game) four units of Chalkaspides, four units of Appulian infantry, four units of Thesprotoi Pheraspidai, four units of Peltastai (later Maedai Peltasts - or however you spell it), one unit of Mercenary Syrian Cataphrat Elephants, my general's cavalry bodyguard, a unit of (Thessalian?) lancers, and a unit of Tarantine cavalry was able to conquer Italy, Illyria, Greece, Thrace, Anatolia, Syria, Mesopotamia, and Egypt in his lifetime with just that stack and some supporting garrisons. The awesome anvil of the Bronze Shield Pikemen, solid hammer infantry, and good cavalry/amazing elephants let me pretty much destroy everything on H/N. Definitely one of my most rewarding campaigns, especially seeing how almost every unit had at least one gold chevron by the end of it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dresden View Post
    Interesting point about the Hellenization of the world helping with population issues. I like how even though many Hellenic factions are forced to rely on tier 1 and 2 units, they also have more spread out options for expansion into same culture areas. So the pop system allows for a lot of faction differentiation based on cultures.
    I know, it's a pretty amazing mechanic, imo you guys hit the nail on the head. It really makes you feel like Alexander reborn and definitely gives Hellenic factions a unique flavor. I'm looking forward to doing a Baktria campaign, fighting through all the Persians and then exploding through the Greek world as an anti-Alexander, should be interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greek strategos View Post
    Τhe Greeks could rule the world...Alexander did...He took an army to the far Indus.
    Rome Total War 1 chills.
    Unlike Alexander though, Phyrros of Epirus doesn't plan on getting assassinated and is hell bent on holding onto his massive empire .

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    Quote Originally Posted by theLuchii View Post
    Unlike Alexander though, Phyrros of Epirus doesn't plan on getting assassinated and is hell bent on holding onto his massive empire .
    He took a roof tile on the head though. Not my kind of death.
    I wish Pyrrhus had a better death. He surely deserved much more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greek strategos View Post
    He took a roof tile on the head though. Not my kind of death.
    Luckily, since it isn't represented in the game, he was able to avoid the Argos Women's Ultimate Rooftop Tile-Frisby League and survived long enough to conquer the world. I'll let you know what type of throwing arms the Persian ladies have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theLuchii View Post
    Luckily, since it isn't represented in the game, he was able to avoid the Argos Women's Ultimate Rooftop Tile-Frisby League and survived long enough to conquer the world. I'll let you know what type of throwing arms the Persian ladies have.
    Go for it buddy.

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    I didnt even though much about how I could use the greek faction powers... nice read!

    Quote Originally Posted by theLuchii View Post
    Epirus for sure. I've said this in another thread, but with a single army lead by Phyrros, consisting of (except for very early game) four units of Chalkaspides, four units of Appulian infantry, four units of Thesprotoi Pheraspidai, four units of Peltastai (later Maedai Peltasts - or however you spell it), one unit of Mercenary Syrian Cataphrat Elephants, my general's cavalry bodyguard, a unit of (Thessalian?) lancers, and a unit of Tarantine cavalry
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    I almost have the same Pyrrhus army (I have 8 pikes instead of your 4 pikes and 4 thesprotoi) and I couldnt agree more about the appulian extraordinarii!!!! Thats the best thing that happened to me since I conquered southern Italy. Without those guys I would have never been able to compete with Rome's principes & co.

    You managed to make your original Syrian Elephant survive too? Magical upkeep

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butan View Post
    You managed to make your original Syrian Elephant survive too? Magical upkeep
    I am VERY careful with my precious Syrian Elephants... they either sit back in safety until my cav have mopped up enemy missile units and their infantry has thrown their javelins and then flank, or I bait the enemy's cav with my Tarantine cavalry far away from their army where my elephants can mutilate them safely... at which point they sit back and wait for the above conditions to be met before engaging th rest of the enemy army. For Epirus, they're basically a win button for many situations, and even more crucially, they are an essential tool for ending battles early due to the moral penalty they put on enemy units to ensure that you take small casualties. Never, ever hang your elephants out to dry, especially with their lack of "weight" currently they must play a fairly conservative yet extremely important role.

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    I made the mistake of making them attack early in one of my first battle against Rome, and un-engaged hastatii threw a volley and killed half of them, nearly had a stroke since then I stick to the rules you mention.

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    Defeating Rome as Epirus on Hard is like free-climbing Mt. Olympus in full armor... they just casually toss high quality stacks at you like it's nothing. You basically have to make a mad dash to take the two minor cities in Italia because turtleing in Taras is a death sentence... after you finally take the eternal city, there probably won't be another challenge like it unless the Odrysians become a regional power (which they often do). Definitely one of the most brutal early campaigns, but extremely rewarding, seeing as Latium is such a rich province.

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