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    http://www.businessinsider.com/us-pr...embassy-2017-5

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/washing...ers-1495032446

    So, Turkey managed to show her most ugly face inside the heart of the US, in Washington. Erdogan's security detail, obviously professional security officers of the turkish state, possibly after his own orders, attack peaceful protesters in Washington, in complete disregard and contempt of both US media and US police. This is what an authoritative state looks like.
    One can only imagine what goes on inside Turkey itself.
    Also, one can draw useful historical conclusions regarding why it is that Christian Balkan nations do not have the white guilt that the rest of the west seems to have. This is just a tiny fraction of the brutality Christian Balkan nations had to suffer in the hundreds of years of ottoman occupation.

    Do you believe that Erdogan ordered the attack?

    What should the US reaction be?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ioannis76 View Post
    Do you believe that Erdogan ordered the attack?
    I think he wouldn't have needed to. His security seems to be made up of the same kind of thugs and "Ey isch hol mein Bruda" lowlives he himself used to be (and still is).


    What should the US reaction be?
    Get more guns and police dogs in preparation for Erdogan's next visit. Alternatively, have the next visit take place in Chicago Southside. Without police.

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    I'll just put this here as well:
    Quote Originally Posted by Setekh View Post
    Interesting how Western outrage of this fight did not occur the slightest when Turkish protesters in Netherlands were beaten down and chewed on by guard dogs while fallen on the ground. As vile and idiotic these cases are from both spectrum they clearly show the hypocrisies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Setekh View Post
    I'll just put this here as well:
    the obvious difference is this is about turkish bodygaurds beating up american citizens, not american citizens beating up other citizens.

    Turkey should apologize for attacking americans in our own country, and if they dont there should be consequences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Setekh View Post
    I'll just put this here as well:
    I cannot help but notice a common theme during the different attacks:

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    And then the security detail attack in Washington
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    Given that the Erdogan supporters seem to have a nasty tendency of attacking in packs and kicking on people while lying down I don't think it is much of a surprise that they are the ones getting the negative attention.

    Regarding the Turkisk rioter getting chewed on by a dog, do you mean this one?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aB6QOVGyfg

    The guy is taken down by the dog as he tries to prevent the police from moving forward to disperse the riot and the photo is taken in the short period of time between the guy gets taken down and when the police have managed to take off the dog.

    Now compare that to the Washington situation where the Turkish security details rushes the protesters on the other side of the road. 10 seconds into the movie you even see an American policeman attacking a member of the Turkish detail with a baton from behind as the man is kicking on a woman who had to be taken to hospital (you can see the identification of the Khaki wearer here along with info on the woman)
    https://youtu.be/M3cH5x6j-Gw

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    It's interesting how the lying cultural marxist BBC presents the whole thing:

    http://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-eur...-in-washington

    Protesters injured outside Turkish embassy in Washington

    A brawl broke out between supporters and opponents of Turkey's President Recep Tayyip Erdogan in Washington DC, injuring nine.
    "Supporters of Erdogan" (not his personal security detail that comprises of supposedly trained professionals) and "opponents of Erdogan". No information, of course, regarding whether those injured were Erdo's boys or the protesters.
    What a disgrace this medium is...
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    British media is hopeless. Everything about your media and laws are designed to protect the rights of the religious not free thought.

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    A few things:

    1) Erdogan was observing the fight almost the entire time and was viewing the area before the fight broke out, so that means he is almost certainly the one who initiated the fight by ordering his goons to start a coordinated assault.

    2) Not sure if all the protesters were US citizens or not, or just Kurdish immigrants, but that doesn't matter...in the United States they have First Amendment rights guaranteed by the US Constitution to protest in a peaceful and lawful manner, which they were, apparently, and seem to have only defended themselves after being attacked.

    3) This happened shortly after Erdogan had met with Trump at the White House, and occurred in front of the Turkish embassy. There was no word of condemnation directly from the White House, but the State Department issued a condemnation of it, as did the DC metropolitan police.

    4) Although members of Erdogan's security detail most likely possess diplomatic immunity, since they are traveling as part of the embassy, that does not mean they cannot be lawfully detained by the police if they are caught committing a crime, which they most certainly were by brazenly engaging in assault and battery, among other violations. The police handled them far too gingerly and instead arrested two different protesters! One of them has since been released, though. After detaining the bodyguards involved in the fight, there should have been immediate arrangements for deportations and marking them as permanent persona non grata, revoking any right to return to the US. The Trump White House is juggling a number of scandals at the moment, so they're obviously quite busy, but they really dropped the ball here. They should have been much harsher to the Turks, although I can understand why this did not happen, given Turkey's strategically important relationship within NATO and West Asia.

    Regardless, it was the first moment in my entire lifetime where I could point to an event and clearly say, without equivocation, that the United States looked weak, very weak. A second rate nation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roma_Victrix View Post
    A few things:

    Erdogan was observing the fight almost the entire time and was viewing the area before the fight broke out, so that means he is almost certainly the one who initiated the fight by ordering his goons to start a coordinated assault.

    Regardless, it was the first moment in my entire lifetime where I could point to an event and clearly say, without equivocation, that the United States looked weak, very weak. A second rate nation.
    Even if he didnt order it, clearly someone in his entourage thinks beating up people in a country your being hosted in is ok, which makes Turkey look like more of a barbaric country than it did already. If this happened in Obama's presidency we would never hear the end of it from the right.

    and theres been a lot of America showing its ass lately, which is what happens when you have someone whos weak in the White House and would rather be a friend to everyone even if they dont care about insulting you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ioannis76 View Post
    It's interesting how the lying cultural marxist BBC presents the whole thing:

    http://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-eur...-in-washington

    "Supporters of Erdogan" (not his personal security detail that comprises of supposedly trained professionals) and "opponents of Erdogan". No information, of course, regarding whether those injured were Erdo's boys or the protesters.
    What a disgrace this medium is...
    Everybody with half a brain in the UK knows how bias the BBC has become and its pro-EU pro-globalist stance. Yes, the wording of the story was misleading here, as everyone looking at the footage can see.

    Yet in this shocking behavior of diplomatic staff, as in other issues, there seems to be a constant softly, softly approach to Erdogan. Despite all the vile things he said about European countries during the Dutch elections. Since then there has been silence and moves made towards closer links with Turkey.

    Malta meeting: EU says membership talks still open if Turkey wants them
    Associated Press Saturday, 29 April 2017,
    http://www.independent.com.mt/articl...hem-6736173649
    The European Union is keeping the door ajar for Turkey to become a member, but says Ankara must provide clearer signals on whether it intends to meet the entrance criteria in such areas as human rights and rule of law.

    EU foreign policy chief Federica Mogherini said that despite the doubts expressed by some foreign ministers during a meeting Friday, the EU for now favors continuing the protracted accession talks with Turkey.

    "It is to them to express their willingness to continue to be a candidate country, to continue to be interested or not to join our family," she said.

    There are so many areas where we need a correct, friendly and productive cooperation that we have to see, together with our Turkish colleagues, how we can improve the situation," EU Enlargement Commissioner Johannes Hahn said.

    Quote Originally Posted by Roma_Victrix View Post
    A few things:
    3) This happened shortly after Erdogan had met with Trump at the White House, and occurred in front of the Turkish embassy. There was no word of condemnation directly from the White House, but the State Department issued a condemnation of it, as did the DC metropolitan police.

    4) Although members of Erdogan's security detail most likely possess diplomatic immunity, since they are traveling as part of the embassy, that does not mean they cannot be lawfully detained by the police if they are caught committing a crime, which they most certainly were by brazenly engaging in assault and battery, among other violations.
    Regardless, it was the first moment in my entire lifetime where I could point to an event and clearly say, without equivocation, that the United States looked weak, very weak. A second rate nation.
    This should have drawn instant condemnation from the White House and action, things like this cannot be tolerated on American soil, it sets a terrible example around the World. Diplomatic immunity means they cannot be prosecuted, not unable to be sent back to Turkey.

    In the UK we have had past experience of crimes by diplomatic personnel, which involved the shooting of a British PC. Violence cannot be acceptable behaviour from them, especially if they are given the authorisation to carry weapons.
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    Turkeys ambassador needs to be thrown out, and the embassy moved to some one bedroom apartment in Bumf*** Maryland.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the_mango55 View Post
    Turkeys ambassador needs to be thrown out, and the embassy moved to some one bedroom apartment in Bumf*** Maryland.
    While hyperbolic, I agree with the sentiment that the Turkish embassy should be punished in someway. Otherwise, the US comes off weak, and we can't have that now can we?!
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    Video on Twitter shows the attack while the police frantically try to stop it.

    It's a shame D.C. doesn't allow people to be armed. It is a disgrace how muted Trump's reaction has been.

    EDIT: This reminds me of how American troops are routinely assaulted near the base in Turkey. There has to be a retaliation or punishment, for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Legend View Post
    Video on Twitter shows the attack while the police frantically try to stop it.

    It's a shame D.C. doesn't allow people to be armed. It is a disgrace how muted Trump's reaction has been.
    seeing the viciousness of the attack, if the D.C. police started firing the Erdogan SS probably would have shot back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Legend View Post
    Video on Twitter shows the attack while the police frantically try to stop it.

    It's a shame D.C. doesn't allow people to be armed. It is a disgrace how muted Trump's reaction has been.

    EDIT: This reminds me of how American troops are routinely assaulted near the base in Turkey. There has to be a retaliation or punishment, for sure.
    Oh god, a shootout is not what we wanted in that situation, that would objectively be worse.
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    You have to say, that this incident was also caused by the closeness by which the demonstrators were allowed to be and they did provoke an incident, although they didn't reckon what would happen. How difficult would have that been by the police to come between both, I counted fewer than 20 demonstrators, the whole thing got completely out of hand by the police. Maybe they thought with so many Turkish security men there, that there they could handle things, how foolish they were. That wasn't a diplomatic group, it was a small private army in black suits. From now on the Turks should be given a maximum of 12 and no more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedGuard View Post
    seeing the viciousness of the attack, if the D.C. police started firing the Erdogan SS probably would have shot back.
    Good. Let them die for their stupidity, if not a questionable act of war as agents of a foreign power attacking Americans on American soil. Maybe that would be a teachable moment for other embassies when they decide how to comport themselves and in accordance with US law.

    As that old saying goes: when in Rome...do as the Romans do!

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Legend View Post
    Video on Twitter shows the attack while the police frantically try to stop it.
    They may have been outnumbered, but that doesn't matter. They should have detained every single Turkish bodyguard who threw a punch or landed a kick. Every single one. Hell, detaining two or three of them would have sent a strong enough message for the rest to flee or also hit the pavement for handcuffing and the ole workout with the baton.

    It's a shame D.C. doesn't allow people to be armed. It is a disgrace how muted Trump's reaction has been.
    Yes. Again, Trump missed a grand opportunity here to project the image of strength, law, and order. He needs to live up to his campaign promises.

    EDIT: This reminds me of how American troops are routinely assaulted near the base in Turkey. There has to be a retaliation or punishment, for sure.
    This is also unacceptable, as was the deliberate cutting of power to these bases during Turkey's recent "coup" (or should I say careful, state-orchestrated pageantry staged by Erdogan so that he'd have a grand excuse to consolidate power even further, as evidenced by his fraudulent little constitutional referendum stunt).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Setekh View Post
    I'll just put this here as well:
    And I'm doing same
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    If you provoke someone like that, they REACT! I'm wondering how many of you understand all these and judging those people... None. They are glorifying terrorist organizations while provoking Turks. If those terrorists are useful to the west, they're not terrorists, no matter how badly damage Turks, right? And this has nothing to do with hypocrisy as well.. If someone provoke you with supporting a TERRORIST organization which is causing trouble to your country, your people, you react.

    The fun fact, u.s police has balls against poor americans I guess... Sultan's Guards scared 'em off!
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    By the way, the fight doesn't seem to start with that one bodyguard running to the other side of the road. Based on other footage, the video that most people have been using actually starts a few seconds before that.


    Quote Originally Posted by RedGuard View Post
    the obvious difference is this is about turkish bodygaurds beating up american citizens, not american citizens beating up other citizens.

    Turkey should apologize for attacking americans in our own country, and if they dont there should be consequences.
    It's ok for Dutch police to beat down its own citizens but its not ok for Erdoğan's bodyguards to beat down US citizens? Why are you basing legitimacy of beating someone based on nationality?


    Quote Originally Posted by Adar View Post
    I cannot help but notice a common theme during the different attacks:

    And then the security detail attack in Washington

    Given that the Erdogan supporters seem to have a nasty tendency of attacking in packs and kicking on people while lying down I don't think it is much of a surprise that they are the ones getting the negative attention.

    Regarding the Turkisk rioter getting chewed on by a dog, do you mean this one?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aB6QOVGyfg

    The guy is taken down by the dog as he tries to prevent the police from moving forward to disperse the riot and the photo is taken in the short period of time between the guy gets taken down and when the police have managed to take off the dog.

    Now compare that to the Washington situation where the Turkish security details rushes the protesters on the other side of the road. 10 seconds into the movie you even see an American policeman attacking a member of the Turkish detail with a baton from behind as the man is kicking on a woman who had to be taken to hospital (you can see the identification of the Khaki wearer here along with info on the woman)
    https://youtu.be/M3cH5x6j-Gw

    Edit: Somethings off with Youtube links, just made them links instead.
    Sigh... You're labeling someone who is merely standing with his back to the cops facing a bunch of men simply standing on the pavement with preventing the police from moving forward to disperse the riot...
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    Quote Originally Posted by The spartan View Post
    While hyperbolic, I agree with the sentiment that the Turkish embassy should be punished in someway. Otherwise, the US comes off weak, and we can't have that now can we?!
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