Ultra-Violent Leftists Attacking and Threatening US Government Officials

[dogukan]

Westerners are becoming like middle easterner in their politics....just some observation. The polarization and extreme charicaturization of the other side has gotten to seriously dangerous levels.
The language is a lot more hostile and debates are done a lot more over stereotypes.

4-5 years ago, the current political rhetoric would have sounded crazy to me for a westerner. Where we have gotten to from 2008 crisis to Arab Spring and the war in Middle East, the world became a much more hostile place.

This isn't about left or right. Circumstances and people who are willing to exploit that are poisoning the political realm...and I am afraid this can lead to serious problems in the near future, seeing how fast we got to where we are already.

Liberalism is a mental illness indeed.

Such attitudes are becoming more and more common among right-wingers for instance. What does this even mean? What do you refer to by liberalism? What are you if not a supporter of a liberal order?

[Heathen Hammer]

Here we see an interesting difference between right-wingers and globalist left. Right-wingers and conservatives tend to resolve issues democratically and politically, and when such methods don't work they stop, think over their strategy, but still approach with political and democratic methods.
When globalist left fails democratically and politically, first they form mobs to attack people they disagree with and then they pick up lethal weapons.
I wonder if antifa was involved in this plot. I do recall antifa posting ISIS-style videos of themselves posing with firearms.

Where we have gotten to from 2008 crisis to Arab Spring and the war in Middle East, the world became a much more hostile place.

Not really. News just travel faster, while before Internet's grasp on information pool, mass media ruled the day, with anything contradicting its discourse being labeled as "conspiracy theory". World is as hostile as it was a decade ago, we just know more now.

[Prodromos]

Such attitudes are becoming more and more common among right-wingers for instance. What does this even mean? What do you refer to by liberalism? What are you if not a supporter of a liberal order?

It's an old catchphrase, not really new at all. Well obviously there is no such thing as a mental illness, but much of liberalism is based on emotion and their positions contradict each other.

Liberalism is a misnomer, of course. Liberalism in other countries retains its original definition, but in America liberalism generally is all about totalitarianism.

[Big War Bird]

Shooter is a Bernie bro who worked as a volunteer on Sanders' campaign.

[Sint]

I guess they took Bernies call to step up the resistance a bit to literally.

[Diocle]

Shooter is a Bernie bro who worked as a volunteer on Sanders' campaign.

Yeah he seems a Bernie supporter:

CNN - Communist News Network: http://edition.cnn.com/2017/06/14/po...ing/index.html

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​Rep. Steve Scalise, a congressional staffer and members of the congressional police force were shot Wednesday morning in Alexandria, Virginia, in what sources are calling an apparent "deliberate attack".

"President Donald Trump said the alleged gunman had been killed. Federal law enforcement sources identified the shooter as James Hodgkinson, 66, of Belleville, Illinois.

Shooter identified
Hodgkinson's Facebook page is largely political, his profile picture is a caricature of Bernie Sanders as Uncle Sam.

The Facebook feed is filled with anti-Trump sentiments such as "Trump is guilty and should go to prison for treason."

He also "liked" a political cartoon that suggested Scalise should be fired. On March 22, he posted "Trump is a Traitor. Trump Has Destroyed Our Democracy. It's Time to Destroy Trump & Co."
Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders said both in a statement and on the Senate floor that he had learned the shooter volunteered on his presidential campaign -- and that he condemned the shooting "in the strongest possible terms."

"I have just been informed that the alleged shooter at the Republican baseball practice is someone who apparently volunteered on my presidential campaign," Sanders said.

"I am sickened by this despicable act. Let me be as clear as I can be. Violence of any kind is unacceptable in our society and I condemn this action in the strongest possible terms," he said. "Real change can only come about through nonviolent action, and anything else runs against our most deeply held American values."
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.. sorry but weren't American Leftists against guns?

Possibly for these gentlemen the matter works in this way: "If you have guns, you are Fascist killers! But if we have guns, we are 'freedom fighters'!"

[The spartan]

.. sorry but weren't American Leftists against guns?

Possibly for these gentlemen the matter works in this way: "If you have guns, you are Fascist killers! But if we have guns, we are freedom fighters!"

Not really, no. You may be surprised to hear this, but "leftists" are not a monolith and there are many leftist who support gun ownership.

[dogukan]

Here we see an interesting difference between right-wingers and globalist left. Right-wingers and conservatives tend to resolve issues democratically and politically, and when such methods don't work they stop, think over their strategy, but still approach with political and democratic methods.

What is this generalization based on? Are "left wingers" a monolithical hive mind group?
Also, since when is globalization a leftist project? Last I check, it whole globalization wave was a product of right-wing establishment and advocates of neo-liberalism. Left had been staunchly against it.
When I was in uni as a pretty hardcore leftist, all my issue was finding an alternative to globalization.....this new poisonous political wave you guys are riding is going to dangerous places. By making up your own image of the other side and debating with that image constantly to cherish hatred which is quiet honestly easy to ride until it gets out of control is not a productive thing to do.

When globalist left fails democratically and politically, first they form mobs to attack people they disagree with and then they pick up lethal weapons.
I wonder if antifa was involved in this plot. I do recall antifa posting ISIS-style videos of themselves posing with firearms.

Jesus christ....radicals are on all sides. Don't act like its unique to left.
You cannot simplfy to world down to this. This left-right rhetoric is a niche thing. Where I live, right wing = Islamists...will you back them against anti-fa leftists in Turkey as well who are fighting for Kurds and Christians?

Not really. News just travel faster, while before Internet's grasp on information pool, mass media ruled the day, with anything contradicting its discourse being labeled as "conspiracy theory". World is as hostile as it was a decade ago, we just know more now.

There was not "alt-right" sort of movement back in 2000s that constantly made mockery of other side and advocated hatred and discrimination paving the way to violent action and reaction.

It's an old catchphrase, not really new at all. Well obviously there is no such thing as a mental illness, but much of liberalism is based on emotion and their positions contradict each other.

Liberalism is a misnomer, of course. Liberalism in other countries retains its original definition, but in America liberalism generally is all about totalitarianism.

Look man, I am saying this as an anti-capitalist commie, liberalism is the ideology that created our modern world and with its faults and problems managed to have carried humanity to where we are. It created the ideological base for democracy and human rights, presented safety to vast majority of people equipping them with rights.
It has allowed people to be socially more mobile and allowed room for wealth generation.

I do believe that where we are headed, its problematic and the system it is based on, that is capitalism, is causing lots of unsustainability problems and inefficiency which make the average worker go mumbo jumbo on "immigrants" but this "libtard" bashing is ignorance at a new level and it is a dangerous trend.

[Prodromos]

Look man, I am saying this as an anti-capitalist commie, liberalism is the ideology that created our modern world and with its faults and problems managed to have carried humanity to where we are. It created the ideological base for democracy and human rights, presented safety to vast majority of people equipping them with rights.
It has allowed people to be socially more mobile and allowed room for wealth generation.

I do believe that where we are headed, its problematic and the system it is based on, that is capitalism, is causing lots of unsustainability problems and inefficiency which make the average worker go mumbo jumbo on "immigrants" but this "libtard" bashing is ignorance at a new level and it is a dangerous trend.

You are confusing classical liberalism, with modern liberalism, which is essentially totalitarianism and collectivism. They are different ideologies.

[ByzantinePowerGame]

I am sure Hollywood, celebrities, and the media, have nothing to do with anything.

All of the talk about, "let's blow up the white house" from Madonna, all of the talk about "kill Trump" from all of the liberal elite, none of their violent rhetoric has contributed to creating a climate of violence and hate.


The Democrats have lost politically so they've decided to try to kill the elected representatives of the majority of the nation.

"He's a Russian agent, his party are Russian agents, they are illegitimate, they didn't even win, the elections were rigged, Putin fixed the voting machines, we should impeach that criminal..."

Democrats have been openly calling for the murder of Trump for months now. In public those who are wearing Trump hats are frequently beaten or otherwise abused [pelted with bottles/bricks]. Trump supporters have been stabbed, beaten, shot at. The few times the left gets hit back they cry foul and play the victim.

Mobs of leftists armed with baseball bats have been on the prowl at college campuses beating people up who try to remove their vandalism/graffiti from the walls. See what is going on at Evergreen State college in Washington State.

[B. W.]

Shooter is a Bernie bro who worked as a volunteer on Sanders' campaign.

His Facebook page revealed his primary source of news was the Rachel Maddow show and other left-wing sources that have been promulgating the so-called "Russia stole the election" narrative. The things that have been said on her show and others that have been reported as fact are just astounding. Anytime large numbers of people are fed a steady diet of hate it is just a matter of time before some of them snap and do something abhorrent.

[Sir Adrian]

Yeah! Remember when the Union (bleeding heart liberals, I am sure) used force to make the South not have slaves anymore?! Those jerks, should've just kept to themselves.

I'm not sure what's more stunningly disappointing. That there are people who defend this type of behaviour because it conforms to their political agenda, or that there are Americans who know their own history so incredibly poorly that they believe the civil war was about slavery.

[ByzantinePowerGame]

https://news.grabien.com/story-left-...ng-rep-scalise



The Democratic response has been overwhelmingly supportive of the shooter.

[HannibalExMachina]

oh, now you are upset about a guy being shot, and people not giving two .

too bad we cant even joke about the "tolerant right", because no one would ever link these two words

[TheDarkKnight]

https://news.grabien.com/story-left-...ng-rep-scalise



The Democratic response has been overwhelmingly supportive of the shooter.

That's weird. I don't recall seeing the thousands of democratic politicians around the country saying "Good job!" to the now dead shooter.

[the_mango55]

https://news.grabien.com/story-left-...ng-rep-scalise



The Democratic response has been overwhelmingly supportive of the shooter.

Your link was a handful of Twitter users (hardly representative of Democrats) and none of them supported the shooters. For the most part they were just people saying maybe this will get Republicans to rethink being the of the NRA.

[ByzantinePowerGame]

Your link was a handful of Twitter users (hardly representative of Democrats) and none of them supported the shooters. For the most part they were just people saying maybe this will get Republicans to rethink being the of the NRA.

Except these are not mere "Twitter users."

These are authors, actors, musicians, public officials, former public officials, etc...


The only thing Republicans need to rethink is going out in public unarmed. All Republicans need to be armed with pistols everywhere they go, and they need to keep rifles in their vehicles.

Leftists prefer unarmed victims, which is why much of their political violence occurs in places such as California, Seattle, Chicago, New York City, Washington D.C., locations where the carrying of firearms is either illegal, severely restricted, or unlikely due to cultural reasons.

They also prefer to go after people who are unlikely to be armed such as people playing sports [it is unlikely anybody carries a pistol while playing baseball].

Next they might start attacking Republicans at swimming pools...

Democrats are a party of terrorists. From the very first days of the founding of the KKK [which was the militant wing of the Democratic Party to oppose Reconstruction], to the use of lynching to keep their political opponents suppressed and "in line" to the bombing campaigns in the 1950s-1960s against anti-segregation forces in the South, then their militant communist wing [with mainstream Democratic support] in the Weathermen and Black Panthers in the late 1960s and early 1970s, to the modern era.

Democrats have been setting off bombs under random police cars, ambushing police, kidnapping/brainwashing [i.e. Patty Hearst], and engaging in terrorist mayhem for decades. They are so convinced of their own righteousness that any violence, including terrorism, is justified by virtue of it furthering their holy and righteous aim of a leftist utopia.

If the Republicans had been the party of lynchings, whippings, tarring and feathering, and bombing, we would never hear the end of it. If Republicans had been setting off bombs under police cars when they were not getting their way, we would never hear the end of it.

Almost all political violence in the USA since 1865 has come from Democrats.

[The spartan]

Except these are not mere "Twitter users."

These are authors, actors, musicians, public officials, former public officials, etc...

Who specifically are sympathizing with the shooter? Don't make it a faceless "other", who specifically is doing it? Are they part of the current Democratic congress? Do they have public clout? Who the heck are these people?

I am sure Hollywood, celebrities, and the media, have nothing to do with anything.

All of the talk about, "let's blow up the white house" from Madonna, all of the talk about "kill Trump" from all of the liberal elite, none of their violent rhetoric has contributed to creating a climate of violence and hate.

I am guessing you also think Sarah Palin had a role in the shooting of Gabrielle Giffords since she had put a target on a picture of her, right? I mean, you wouldn't be politically hypocritical here, would you?

Democrats are a party of terrorists. From the very first days of the founding of the KKK [which was the militant wing of the Democratic Party to oppose Reconstruction], to the use of lynching to keep their political opponents suppressed and "in line" to the bombing campaigns in the 1950s-1960s against anti-segregation forces in the South, then their militant communist wing [with mainstream Democratic support] in the Weathermen and Black Panthers in the late 1960s and early 1970s, to the modern era.

Democrats have been setting off bombs under random police cars, ambushing police, kidnapping/brainwashing [i.e. Patty Hearst], and engaging in terrorist mayhem for decades. They are so convinced of their own righteousness that any violence, including terrorism, is justified by virtue of it furthering their holy and righteous aim of a leftist utopia.

If the Republicans had been the party of lynchings, whippings, tarring and feathering, and bombing, we would never hear the end of it. If Republicans had been setting off bombs under police cars when they were not getting their way, we would never hear the end of it.

Almost all political violence in the USA since 1865 has come from Democrats.

There is a lot dishonest here. First off, you are comparing the Democratic Party of the 1850s with the current Democratic party which is a long way off ever since the party/ideology switch in the 1960s. Since then, the KKK has been primarily Republican. The last line is incredibly untrue. The middle reads like a piece from Infowars. Please don't stoke flames.

I'm not sure what's more stunningly disappointing. That there are people who defend this type of behaviour because it conforms to their political agenda, or that there are Americans who know their own history so incredibly poorly that they believe the civil war was about slavery.

There is a whole section of the Civil War wiki article that seems to indicate otherwise. And what behavior do you think I am defending?

[Roma_Victrix]

Rep. Steve Scalise from Louisiana's 1st congressional district, to be exact, and he was shot in Alexandria, Virginia (not far from where I live). It could have been the act of one of those "sovereign citizen" types, but we don't know any details yet. Could have been a Black Panther, an ISIS terrorist, a neo-Nazi, or a teen goth for all I know.

I've learned over the course of the day that it was a left-wing terrorist after all. The guy hated Trump, branded him a traitor, and also hated the GOP. Thankfully he was dispatched by police before he managed to kill anyone (although there are still those suffering from critical injuries in the hospital right now). It's moments like these where we all need to pause and dial down the rhetoric. The other side of the aisle are not the enemies. They are fellow Americans, plain and simple.

[Big War Bird]

I wouldn't call him a terrorist at all. Judging from my Facebook feed he appears to be an ordinary democrat, indistinguishable from my democrat brother and his wife and my high school history and civics teacher.