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    Furor Over Philosopher's Comments on Violence Against White People

    Texas A&M president calls remarks “disturbing.”
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    Tommy Curry

    Tommy Curry, an associate professor of philosophy at Texas A&M University, has a long history of public statements about U.S. race relations. But he became the target of controversy, online threats and race-based harassment this week after The American Conservative ran a piece about him that drew heavily on a 2012 podcast interview about violence against whites in the Quentin Tarantino film Django Unchained.

    The article, called “When Is It OK to Kill Whites?” quotes Curry as saying in the podcast, “In order to be equal, in order to be liberated, some white people might have to die.”

    Curry isn’t exactly misquoted, but his statement was part of a larger point about how, in his view, questions about violence against whites need to be addressed through a historical lens and how blacks need to reclaim conversations about the Second Amendment to highlight their own concerns about protection from race-based violence.

    Within hours of The American Conservative’s post, YouTube's comments section and Twitter lit up with demands for Curry’s termination and racial slurs against him. Curry, who is black, said via email Wednesday that he’d received death threats and pictures of “apes, monkeys, etc.” As an example, he shared one tweet directed at him, showing someone putting a gun in a monkey’s mouth.

    Michael K. Young, Texas A&M president, in a statement Wednesday night called Curry’s four-year-old comments “disturbing” and standing “in stark contrast to Aggie core values -- most notably those of respect, excellence, leadership and integrity -- values that we hold true toward all of humanity.”

    The First Amendment “protects the rights of others to offer their personal views, no matter how reprehensible those views may be,” though, he said.

    “It also protects our right to freedom of speech, which I am exercising now. We stand for equality. We stand against the advocacy of violence, hate and killing. We firmly commit to the success, not the destruction, of each other. We wish no violence or harm even to those who espouse hateful views under the First Amendment, a sentiment that by its very nature is one that they would deny others. … Our core values are very much intact.”

    https://www.insidehighered.com/news/...t-white-people

    This comes not too long after another "professor" said that he wanted white genocide for Christmas.
    Are Universities becoming breeding grounds of anti-white racism and advocacy of white genocide?
    Should "Freedom of Speech" cover calls for violence?
    Should this "professor" as well as the other one who was calling for white genocide be allowed to keep their jobs? How come anti-racism laws don't apply in their cases?

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    "Are Universities becoming breeding grounds of anti-white racism and advocacy of white genocide?"

    Yes, it's been more or less implicit for decades. Although it is now becoming more and more explicit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ioannis76 View Post
    Should this "professor" as well as the other one who was calling for white genocide be allowed to keep their jobs?
    No, of course not. He is no different from other race war ideologues in history, like the early National Socialists.

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    Do you really think the opinion of an associate professor is representative of "Universities"?

    The article on which you base the thread is very interesting (context and such) and in my opinion responds appropriately to the questions you raise. But, sincerely, isnt this thread just another "beware of the white genocide" thread?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mishkin View Post
    Do you really think the opinion of an associate professor is representative of "Universities"?
    That's not the point. The point is, universities shouldn't hire people who advocate race-based violence. Or just about any violence, really.


    The article on which you base the thread is very interesting (context and such) and in my opinion responds appropriately to the questions you raise. But, sincerely, isnt this thread just another "beware of the white genocide" thread?
    How about you condemn the views expressed by this "professor"? You know, as someone who is supposedly against racism?

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    Quote Originally Posted by athanaric View Post
    How about you condemn the views expressed by this "professor"? You know, as someone who is supposedly against racism?
    An attempted gotcha? Or false dilemma?

    Seems like there's some cherry picking going on in the quoted parts in the article which might raise alarm bells of selective quoting to raise a rabble... And it doesn't appear any of us here are going back to the original podcast to obtain the full context of the comments.

    Either way... university professors aren't immune from being idiots, and the first amendment doesn't protect them from the professional consequences of saying something stupid. It wouldn't be the first time a professor has thrown some controversial ideas out there to spark debate and completely got it wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by athanaric View Post
    That's not the point. The point is, universities shouldn't hire people who advocate race-based violence. Or just about any violence, really.
    No doubt the person in charge of his job will analyze his words and decide if this person deserves to be fired. I have said the article is worth reading. It would also be interesting to read all his speech, and not some loose sentences. By the way, he does not say what the title of this thread says (“Some white people will have to die in order for blacks to be free.”). He says “In order to be equal, in order to be liberated, some white people might have to die.” I wonder why the author of this thread changed the wording. I do not think it's an innocent (and unnecessary) paraphrase.
    How about you condemn the views expressed by this "professor"? You know, as someone who is supposedly against racism?
    I do not have to make a statement condemning violence every time someone, somewhere, says something that can be interpreted (or misinterpreted) as racism or allegory of violence. Anyway, as a special favor to you (I feel magnanimous today), if you post here a link to the complete speech I will read it and consider whether his words deserve my reprobation.

    Just in case you can not find the complete speech and to prevent someone starts talking nonsense like "leftists are the new racists", "leftists want to kill all whites" and similar crap:

    I, mishkin the great, condemn any kind of violence against a person on the basis of sex, religion or race.
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    Political speech is the most protected form of speech that exists in the US. To the extent that this professor's speech promotes certain political goals without explicitly inciting people to begin massacring whites on the streets it likely will not be suppressed. Allowing this kind of moron to say these sorts of things without censorship is a small price to pay for these rights. Our personal opinions regarding the content of his speech is irrelevant in answering the question of his right to say it.

    Should he lose his job over it? That's hard to say. He's technically a state employee working for a public university so in order to answer that questions we would need to look at his employment contract. Absent some provision specifically prohibiting this sort of speech which he agreed to as a term of employment, it might be tough.

    "Anti-Racism Laws" generally address actions, not words. If the professor were to involuntarily drop students from his class registration based on their race, for example, that is a clear violation of equal protection. Can a racist be a professor and potentially speak to that effect on social media? Absolutely.

    Addressing briefly the content of his speech on the matter:

    "In order to be equal, in order to be liberated, some white people might have to die.”

    This guy's grasp on history and basic political realities seems detached and aloof at best. ~1,500,000 of them died between 1861 and 1865, to give just the biggest example of how uninformed he is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pontifex Maximus View Post
    Political speech is the most protected form of speech that exists in the US. To the extent that this professor's speech promotes certain political goals without explicitly inciting people to begin massacring whites on the streets it likely will not be suppressed. Allowing this kind of moron to say these sorts of things without censorship is a small price to pay for these rights. Our personal opinions regarding the content of his speech is irrelevant in answering the question of his right to say it.
    Agreed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pontifex Maximus View Post
    Should he lose his job over it? That's hard to say. He's technically a state employee working for a public university so in order to answer that questions we would need to look at his employment contract. Absent some provision specifically prohibiting this sort of speech which he agreed to as a term of employment, it might be tough.
    Agreed.


    Quote Originally Posted by Pontifex Maximus View Post
    "Anti-Racism Laws" generally address actions, not words. If the professor were to involuntarily drop students from his class registration based on their race, for example, that is a clear violation of equal protection. Can a racist be a professor and potentially speak to that effect on social media? Absolutely.
    True.


    Quote Originally Posted by Pontifex Maximus View Post
    This guy's grasp on history and basic political realities seems detached and aloof at best. ~1,500,000 of them died between 1861 and 1865, to give just the biggest example of how uninformed he is.
    How about half of American civil war victims were to keep the blacks in chains and the other half to keep the south in the union? That is a matter of perspective and your's is not "righter" than mine.
    Remember that at the end of the civil war the blacks did not simply become equal: In a country that venerates ownership so fiercly "emancipation to utter poverty" is no emancipation at all.
    (Read The Four Freedoms speech.)

    In addition, I find it sad that I shoud have to educate you on the reality of "Jim Crow" legislation but the link will take you there.

    And then there is the unofficial Jim Crow:
    Overlegislate all of society but overpolice only communities of color.
    Sooner or later, racist cops will catch everyone in those communities breaking the law.
    Institutionalize them, put them in the prison-industrial complex, where they will be forced to work for next to no pay and if/when they ever get released they will not be allowed to vote for the rest of their lives.

    Considering all the above it will take an open -armed- revolt on the part of the blacks to drive the point home that a fair chance of success in their pursuit of happiness is the only thing that renders this right actually afforded.

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    This guy's grasp on history and basic political realities seems detached and aloof at best. ~1,500,000 of them died between 1861 and 1865, to give just the biggest example of how uninformed he is.
    Indeed this is rather shocking. There seems to be a pattern of uninformed (or maybe deliberately "forgetting" facts) University Professors, which is ridiculous, because one would expect a highly specialised professional to at least know his/her subject. But it seems that this does not apply to many University Professors of the "soft sciences". Here is another instance:
    http://socawlege.com/boston-universi...ts-on-twitter/







    Saida Grundy is an “incoming Assistant Professor of Sociology and African-American Studies at Boston University”
    It really makes me wonder how some people got through High School, let alone obtain a University Degree AND possibly an MA and/or PhD (I assume it must be a requirement to have one in order to teach courses in a university).
    Ignorance or deliberate distortion of facts?

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    Divide and Conquer is nothing new. The Professor is likely engaged in Subversion that comes out as pushing for racial tensions.
    It will be seen that, as used, the word ‘Fascism’ is almost entirely meaningless. In conversation, of course, it is used even more wildly than in print. I have heard it applied to farmers, shopkeepers, Social Credit, corporal punishment, fox-hunting, bull-fighting, the 1922 Committee, the 1941 Committee, Kipling, Gandhi, Chiang Kai-Shek, homosexuality, Priestley's broadcasts, Youth Hostels, astrology, women, dogs and I do not know what else.

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    the OP's point seems to pivot on the freedom of speech issue - which does not exist in a legal context for most of the planet. I'm not at all sure if any country apart form the USA guarantee's freedom of speech. It's an ideal, not a reality, even in the USA as the quoted article clearly indicates - it all depends on who you are and what you're saying. The irony is that this article comes from Texas, a State with the death penalty which by default means that the law of Texas recognises that some people have to die to see justice done.

    btw, if you really believe in racist genocide of white people, I've got a bridge I want to sell you!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spear Dog View Post
    the OP's point seems to pivot on the freedom of speech issue - which does not exist in a legal context for most of the planet.
    You've just answered your own question.

    The irony is that this article comes from Texas, a State with the death penalty which by default means that the law of Texas recognises that some people have to die to see justice done.
    The difference is that Texas isn't a racist state and the death penalty applies to crimes, not skin colour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by athanaric View Post
    The difference is that Texas isn't a racist state and the death penalty applies to crimes, not skin colour.
    One guy says people should die for justice to be done... state says people should die for justice to be done. Don't see the difference. Both are illogical.
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    Can someone ask Mr. Ioannis (I am in his ignore list ) to change the title of this discussion since he is lying about the real words of the associate professor?

    Found the video on youtube. Apparently this happened in 2012. I wonder why this has been brought to light now, 5 years later.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzzzUhknV_o (I do not insert the video just in case it breaks somehow our ToS. I recommend not reading the comments).

    I find it difficult to fully understand him (clearly I am not a native speaker), but I have the impression that his words have been manipulated atrociously (as expected).

    “So when we have this conversation about violence or killing white people it has to be looked at in the context of historical terms, and the fact that we have not addressed like how relevant and how solidified this kind of tradition is for black people saying, ‘look, in order to be equal, in order to be liberated, some white people may have to die’”.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mishkin View Post
    Can someone ask Mr. Ioannis (I am in his ignore list ) to change the title of this discussion since he is lying about the real words of the associate professor?

    Found the video on youtube. Apparently this happened in 2012. I wonder why this has been brought to light now, 5 years later.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzzzUhknV_o (I do not insert the video just in case it breaks somehow our ToS. I recommend not reading the comments).

    I find it difficult to fully understand him (clearly I am not a native speaker), but I have the impression that his words have been manipulated atrociously (as expected).

    “So when we have this conversation about violence or killing white people it has to be looked at in the context of historical terms, and the fact that we have not addressed like how relevant and how solidified this kind of tradition is for black people saying, ‘look, in order to be equal, in order to be liberated, some white people may have to die’”.
    I'm pretty sure Ioannis wouldn't change the thread title, seeing as it would contradict his/her motives in posting.
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    His argument seems to be that it is okay to kill "whites" committing aggression against blacks. His definition of "aggressor" however is very, very broad, and includes numerous innocent people. This is like "Islamophobes" saying they are only defending Europe when they burn down mosques. I wonder how TWC's Islamic apologists would react to that statement.

    What a stupid imbecile but I suppose it isn't unexpected. One would think Aggie land would be more immune to this, but I guess not. More proof that you should avoid wasting your youth and wealth on college these days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by antaeus View Post
    One guy says people should die for justice to be done... state says people should die for justice to be done. Don't see the difference. Both are illogical.
    Then maybe you should ask a shrink what the difference is.

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    I would pay (in +rep) for a decent transcript of his words. What is clear is that he does not defend or promote in any case to kill white people, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mishkin View Post
    I would pay (in +rep) for a decent transcript of his words. What is clear is that he does not defend or promote in any case to kill white people, right?
    I listened to it and he seems to be arguing that some white people, such as slavers, lynchmobs, (but also a lot of innocents, such as modern police officers), may well have to get killed in order for black people to be free. If you listen to the "suggested" videos to the right, he seems pretty obsessed with white people and past "wrongs."
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