New and improved Hecht de Mann unit. Went in and fixed the armour and look of the unit, adding more brigandines and less full gothic breastplates.
Yeah
Keep that heart shape shields as well but adapt another maybe not to resemble the spanish one too much
Hmmm pics not showing... anyway you could keep those great pikemen with full plate since the Flemish Pikemen were mostly mercs and very close...
Alright, so I have been doing some look into earlier history of Lorraine, and how prevalent the German language was in the duchy at the time. So, I have been working with a friend of mine, Luke George of Bologna, to come up with some German names for tier 1, and here are the changes:
* Tier 1 Chevaliers (meaning the dismounted and mounted unit) will be changed to Reiter, as in Alsatian Reiter or Dismounted Alsatian Reiter.
* Axe Sarjeants will be renamed to Volges Holzfaller (German for Tree-cutter), named after the mountainous forest region of Volges, in eastern Lorraine.
* Tier 1 Schiltron Militia will be renamed to Bas-Rhin Schiltron Miliz (Militia), named after the region of Bas-Rhin in Alsace that borders Switzerland.
* The tier 1 coutiliers units (mounted and dismounted) will be renamed to Kurzschwert Speer-Männer for the dismounted unit, and Kurzschwert Reiter for the mounted one.
Other than that, I'm probably going to leave the pavise crossbowmen and the gunners I have named in German as-is, because German was still used in Lorraine even after French became the main language, and I wanted to mix the names a little bit.
Last edited by Azrien Fox; April 29, 2017 at 02:02 AM.
Yeah great idea about the mixed names... they sound good... a good faction to represent Benelux or the greater Luxembourg/Lotharingia. And as you say they border both Swiss abd Flanders so pikes are a must plus I would recommend srill those Frankish lime tower shield guards... large round shields, full ppate, plumes... amd why not let it be the first faction to bring the Renaissance from Italy with white armour, polearms and tge sort... hell I wiuld even add tge flamberge, the Zwei and those "happy" Landsnekts
And do add tge pics again...
Really like where you are going with this. I would, however suggest naming the Chevaliers "Ritter" (knights), as "Reiter" is just a generic term for a rider/horseman. The word "Ritter" stems from the word "Reiter", but by the high Middle Ages the Ritter had emerged as a separate class of warrior.
I am also not sure about the name "Kurzschwert Speer-Männer". It literally translates to "short-sword spearman", which imho is a rather strange name, Maybe you could name them dismounted, or if you want to use German "abgessesene", "Kurzschwertreiter".
Kurzschwert Reiter (Early) has a 14th century helmet called an open-faced bascinet. The guy on the far right.
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.n...096FF3C4A263D/
The Militia Crossbowmen (early) uses a brigandine which belong in the High and Later tier.
http://i.imgur.com/U1ccNGK.jpg?1
Lorrainer Swordsmen has a helmet (a) which belong in the Late tier. It also has another helmet (b) that I've never seen used in the High tier, but I could be wrong.
a.) http://i.imgur.com/f6ncd6v.jpg?1
b.) http://i.imgur.com/5Vk297M.jpg?1
Pavise Spearmen (High) and Schiltron Lanciers (High) also uses two helmets that I suspect belong exclusively to Late tier.
http://i.imgur.com/0V8SN4l.jpg?1
http://i.imgur.com/M7Z7t3H.jpg?1
The Alsatian Chevaliers (Late) is a shock cavalry, they have lances, but don't have a bevor. This is more of an artistic choice I suppose, it's up to you. What I mean is, when you're charging in with a lance against another lancer, this is pretty much equal to signing a death sentence for yourself. However, when you're not charging it can be a good thing, because it gives you excellent vision and air which enhances your ability to fight in close quarter melee over extended period of time. A practitioner of modern day jousting talks about the critical point of having good protection for the face in this video. Personally I would add a bevor, but the choice to have a unit without one is equally valid, because it portrays the unit as if they're in close quarter melee situation.
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.n...D88805506338E/
~Wille
Thorolf was thus armed. Then Thorolf became so furious that he cast his shield on his back, and, grasping his halberd with both hands, bounded forward dealing cut and thrust on either side. Men sprang away from him both ways, but he slew many. Thus he cleared the way forward to earl Hring's standard, and then nothing could stop him. He slew the man who bore the earl's standard, and cut down the standard-pole. After that he lunged with his halberd at the earl's breast, driving it right through mail and body, so that it came out at the shoulders; and he lifted him up on the halberd over his head, and planted the butt-end in the ground. There on the weapon the earl breathed out his life in sight of all, both friends and foes. [...] 53, Egil's Saga- The pranks played on the knight Jean de Joinville, 1249, 7th crusade.I must tell you here of some amusing tricks the Comte d'Eu played on us. I had made a sort of house for myself in which my knights and I used to eat, sitting so as to get the light from the door, which, as it happened, faced the Comte d'Eu's quarters. The count, who was a very ingenious fellow, had rigged up a miniature ballistic machine with which he could throw stones into my tent. He would watch us as we were having our meal, adjust his machine to suit the length of our table, and then let fly at us, breaking our pots and glasses.
http://imgur.com/a/DMm19
Yeah, when you put it that way, it does sound strange. What I did was I found the French meaning of the word coutilier, which was derived from coustille, meaning short sword, and translated that to German. So with the two choices you presented, what do they roughly translate to? We can see about using one or maybe both of the words you listed.
Yes, that is a burgundian kettle, I can look for some sources to back up Lorraine possibly using those helms, but I added them more simply for diversity sake, since Burgundy bordered Lorraine, it would make sense for some of the armors there to be phased into units. Also, I added those eyehole kettles in there since they have the more open chapel de fer type look to them. I can always see about adding a different kind of helm in there, maybe more bascinets or something in their place.
I see what you mean with the Chevaliers, you would want to wear some sort of face protection if possible when facing other lance-wielding horsemen. I can add them, but there are bevors that are the static bevors, and then there are one or two on the Variant Editor that are actually collapsed. I could see about having both those in there.
What I suggested was to name them "Abgessesene Kurzschwertreiter" which would roughly translate as dismounted short-sword riders or dismounted coutiliers, basically it would be the old name just in German, although Kurzschwertreiter is still a somewhat awkward word and I am not sure whether it was actually ever used in German medieval armies.
So a Valon/Flamand sort of thing... good representant of Benelux/Luxemburg/Lotgaringia I guess... I wiuld suggest late Alsace Landsnechts with pikes, arquebus and zwrihander/flamberge... hell Renaissance must start spreading somewhere in Germany right? So maybe Swiss, Lorraine, Bavaria and Austria?
Edit: Actually not Swiss 'cause they were left behind by technology and were subdued by armies using German and Spaniard Landsnechts and Tercios later... well Flemish Pikemen started to compete with tge Swiss ones as well...
Greater Luxemburg Region... economic union...
Best place to put the Landsnekts... Alsace Rhenania Swabia Tyrol...
Last edited by Visarion; April 29, 2017 at 12:31 PM.
Question: Are Brabant and Flanders needed any mire as playable dactions then!?
Will they still be playable or only Lorraine/Lotharingen will represent the old Frankish Lotharingia region!?
Edit: The even older Austrasia.
Last edited by Visarion; April 29, 2017 at 01:00 PM.
Okay, Abgessesene Kurzschwertreiter is quite a mouthful, so I could either:
Change it to dismounted Kurzschwertreiter for the dismounted unit, and then Kurzschwertreiter for the mounted unit.
Or...
I was also looking into the types of weapons the coutiliers used; as well as short swords, they used demi-lances or longer spears, like voulge spears. So, what is the translation for 1) short-lance / demi-lance? 2) short-lancer / demi-lancer? 3) long-spear? Could work out some sort of name from those, like "short-lance rider" or "demi-lancer," but in German.