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    Default MA Student proposes temporary suspension of white men's suffrage.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.za/shel...ef=za-homepage

    Some of the biggest blows to the progressive cause in the past year have often been due to the votes of white men. If white men were not allowed to vote, it is unlikely that the United Kingdom would be leaving the European Union, it is unlikely that Donald Trump would now be the President of the United States, and it is unlikely that the Democratic Alliance would now be governing four of South Africa's biggest cities.

    If white men no longer had the vote, the progressive cause would be strengthened. It would not be necessary to deny white men indefinitely – the denial of the vote to white men for 20 years (just less than a generation) would go some way to seeing a decline in the influence of reactionary and neo-liberal ideology in the world. The influence of reckless white males were one of the primary reasons that led to the Great Recession which began in 2008. This would also strike a blow against toxic white masculinity, one that is long needed.

    At the same time, a denial of the franchise to white men, could see a redistribution of global assets to their rightful owners. After all, white men have used the imposition of Western legal systems around the world to reinforce modern capitalism. A period of twenty years without white men in the world's parliaments and voting booths will allow legislation to be passed which could see the world's wealth far more equitably shared. The violence of white male wealth and income inequality will be a thing of the past.

    This redistribution of the world's wealth is long overdue, and it is not just South Africa where white males own a disproportionate amount of wealth. While in South Africa 90 percent of the country's land is in the hands of whites (it is safe to assume these are mainly men), along with 97 percent of the Johannesburg Stock Exchange, this is also the norm in the rest of the world. Namibia has similar statistics with regard to land distribution and one can assume this holds for other assets too. As Oxfam notes eight men control as much as wealth as the poorest 50 percent of the world's population. In the United States ten percent of the population (nearly all white) own 90 percent of all assets – it is likely that these assets are largely in the hands of males. Although statistics by race are difficult to find from other parts of the world, it is very likely that the majority of the world's assets are in the hands of white males, despite them making up less than 10 percent of the world's population.
    It is obvious that this violent status quo will not change without a struggle, and the only way to do so will be through the expropriation of these various assets and equitably distribute them to those who need them. This will not only make the world a more equitable place, but will also go some way to paying the debt that white males owe the world. Over the past 500 years colonialism, slavery, and various aggressive wars and genocides, have been due to the actions of white men. Redistributing some of their assets will go some way to paying the historical debt that they owe society.
    It is no surprise that liberalism – and its ideological offshoots of conservatism and libertarianism – are the most popular ideologies among white males. These ideologies with their focus on individuals and individual responsibility, rather than group affiliation, allow white men to ignore the debt that they owe society, and from acknowledging that most of their assets, wealth, and privilege are the result of theft and violence.
    It is time to wrestle control of the world back from white males, and the first step will be a temporary restriction of the franchise to them.
    Some may argue that this is unfair. Let's be clear, it may be unfair, but a moratorium on the franchise for white males for a period of between 20 and 30 years is a small price to pay for the pain inflicted by white males on others, particularly those with black, female-identifying bodies. In addition, white men should not be stripped of their other rights, and this withholding of the franchise should only be a temporary measure, as the world rights the wrongs of the past.
    A withholding of the franchise from white males, along with the passing of legislation in this period to redistribute some of their assets, will also, to a degree, act as the reparations for slavery, colonialism, and apartheid, which the world is crying out for to be paid.
    As we saw after the recent altercation between a white man and Lebohang Mabuya at a Spur restaurant in Johannesburg, white males still believe that they are in control, and people who aren't white or male (in particularly black female-identifying people) have to bow to their every whim. There are numerous other examples of white angry male violence in South Africa and abroad, often against black bodies (Dylann Roof's terrorist actions in the United States is only one of many examples). It is time to wrestle control of the world back from white males, and the first step will be a temporary restriction of the franchise to them.
    Although this may seem unfair and unjust, allowing white males to continue to call the shots politically and economically, following their actions over the past 500 years, is the greater injustice.
    So, for a while I've been arguing that progressivism, despite accusing everyone who disagrees of being racist and sexist, is actually racist and sexist itself. The totalitarian trend is further evidenced in this insane article.

    One of the most bizarre conclusions of the article is that she complains about the disproportionate amount of wealth in the hands of whites, forgetting that the elite whites are actually the biggest supporters of her causes as they reside overwhelmingly in Democrat voting, gentrified communities on both coasts of the US. Another bizarre conclusion is that ''Brexit wouldn't have happened if whites didn't vote''. Yeah, let's take away the right to vote to half of a country because they disagree with us.

    Let's also move further:
    Who invented democracy? White men.
    Human rights? White men.
    Gay rights? White men.
    Who realized slavery was a bad thing and decided to abolish it? That's right, white men.

    Yet according to her logic, white men are ''preventing progress''. Because you just know that if only non-white men were allowed to vote, they'd overwhelmingly support ''progressive causes''. Just look at those paradises for gay people in Asia, Africa or the Middle East.


    What's your take guys? How badly identity politics do you think it'll get? Is ''straight white man'' the new Jew?
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    I'd only add the caveat: "some progressives", rather than having it as a blanket statement spread over all progressives, which is not accurate or fair.
    And maybe it'd be more accurate to describe these people as "regressives", so as to keep the noble work of actual progressives clean from this disgusting stain of human excrement.
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    I don't feel threatened or triggered by any of this just because all of it is so silly and out of touch of reality due their idealism blinding em from understanding how world works. That none of it can be taken even slightly seriously.

    Great comedy value in this though and its nice to see these people turn themselves into clowns on their own, rather than others having to point it out.

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    Nobody who advocates this can call themself a 'progressive'. This is a prime example of what Maajid Nawaz calls the 'Regressive Left', SJW loonies who have nothing in common with the average voters of left wing political parties such as myself.
    A new mobile phone tower went up in a town in the USA, and the local newspaper asked a number of people what they thought of it. Some said they noticed their cellphone reception was better. Some said they noticed the tower was affecting their health.

    A local administrator was asked to comment. He nodded sagely, and said simply: "Wow. And think about how much more pronounced these effects will be once the tower is actually operational."

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    Nice try, but this is a single opinon piece by a feminist philosophy student, not the general opinion of progressives. Pretty sure I can find just as extreme an opinon on the other side of the spectrum and blanket label it as 'Conservatives want...'. But that would be dumb, eh?
    When the doctrine of allegiance to party can utterly up-end a man's moral constitution and make a temporary fool of him besides, what excuse are you going to offer for preaching it, teaching it, extending it, perpetuating it? Shall you say, the best good of the country demands allegiance to party? Shall you also say it demands that a man kick his truth and his conscience into the gutter, and become a mouthing lunatic, besides?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Himster View Post
    I'd only add the caveat: "some progressives", rather than having it as a blanket statement spread over all progressives, which is not accurate or fair.
    And maybe it'd be more accurate to describe these people as "regressives", so as to keep the noble work of actual progressives clean from this disgusting stain of human excrement.
    I'll give you that one. If a mod wants to edit I'm fine with it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Telamon View Post
    Nice try, but this is a single opinon piece by a feminist philosophy student, not the general opinion of progressives. Pretty sure I can find just as extreme an opinon on the other side of the spectrum and blanket label it as 'Conservatives want...'. But that would be dumb, eh?
    Similar ideas can be found on ''progressive'' websites or other platforms. The demonization of the straight white man is a recurring topic.
    It also illustrates perfectly what kind of totalitarian nutjobs American universities produce.

    Quote Originally Posted by Copperknickers II View Post
    Nobody who advocates this can call themself a 'progressive'. This is a prime example of what Maajid Nawaz calls the 'Regressive Left', SJW loonies who have nothing in common with the average voters of left wing political parties such as myself.
    It's a spreading opinion. You can argue about the loud minority, yet those are the ones that shift policies one way or another. The silent majority doesn't need to be appeased for the simple reason it's silent, it doesn't care enough.
    The fact that what you call a loonie is given a platform on a mainstream media is evidence of what I'm saying. If these people were left in a corner and laughed at, then I wouldn't care either.
    Similar loonies are regularly given a soapbox on left leaning outlets like The Guardian, The Independent, Slate or indeed the Huffington Post. So I must assume that those in charge to the very least are sympathetic with their views.
    Last edited by Basil II the B.S; April 13, 2017 at 08:26 AM.

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    It'd be more efficient to cut out the middle man, and just ban all non-Progressives from voting. In fact, why have any elections at all? Just create a Progressive constitution and a government to implement it, and perhaps a Party or Committee to oversee the government.




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    ITT: People falling for satire.

    It's satire in the same tradition as Jonathon Swift's "A Modest Proposal". Swift wanted people to empathize more with the starving Irish when he called for their babies to be eaten. This writer wants us to empathize more with women/Muslims/people of colour when she calls for white men's rights to be violated.

    Basil, Himster, Copperknickers, Dr. Legend, your satire senses need updating. You might as well start taking the Onion seriously
    Quote Originally Posted by Copperknickers II View Post
    Nobody who advocates this can call themself a 'progressive'. This is a prime example of what Maajid Nawaz calls the 'Regressive Left', SJW loonies who have nothing in common with the average voters of left wing political parties such as myself.
    So I guess if Maajid Nawaz was around a few centuries ago, he'd be demanding the cannibal Jonathon Swift be locked up at once?
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    In what way does a blog post by a South African college student speak for an entire political group? Thread titles in this forum are so dramatic, almost clickbait in orientation.
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    "If white men no longer had the vote, the progressive cause would be strengthened."



    Quote Originally Posted by Basil II the B.S View Post
    What's your take guys? How badly identity politics do you think it'll get?
    Who knows...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Acco View Post
    In what way does a blog post by a South African college student speak for an entire political group? Thread titles in this forum are so dramatic, almost clickbait in orientation.
    The ideology she espouses has been tried in several African countries with very deadly consequences. Notice how her definition of Whites is simply Europeans. She has no interest in banning Libyan or Saudi slavers from voting. Pretty much a child.
    Last edited by Prodromos; April 13, 2017 at 10:06 AM.

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    Default Re: Progressives now want to remove the right to vote for white men

    Since when does a single college student from South Africa represent the entirety of an ideology?


    Quote Originally Posted by Basil II the B.S View Post
    Let's also move further:
    Who invented democracy? White men.
    Human rights? White men.
    Gay rights? White men.
    Who realized slavery was a bad thing and decided to abolish it? That's right, white men.
    Nobody invented those concepts.


    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Legend View Post
    The ideology she espouses has been tried in several African countries with very deadly consequences.
    Where?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Legend View Post
    The ideology she espouses has been tried in several African countries with very deadly consequences.
    How is this relevant to my post? I was criticizing the awful title of this thread.
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    Shelley Garland (MA Philosophy Student) =/= "Progressives".

    Such a cheating O.P is an insult to anyone's intelligence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Acco View Post
    In what way does a blog post by a South African college student speak for an entire political group? Thread titles in this forum are so dramatic, almost clickbait in orientation.
    As I said, this kind of people get regularly the platform of left leaning media:
    An Open Letter to White Men in America

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rev-dr...b_7857790.html

    Southern Whites, Let’s Admit Our Privilege And Do Something About It


    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/b-shaw...b_7663064.html

    White Guys: We Suck and We’re Sorry’ Apologizes For Centuries Of Privilege

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...n_5269105.html


    White men must be stopped: The very future of mankind depends on it

    http://www.salon.com/2015/12/22/whit...on_it_partner/


    'Angry white men': the sociologist who studied Trump's base before Trump

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ngry-white-men

    I've heard enough of the white male rage narrative

    https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...lection-voters


    Including ironic ones like:
    I feel for the straight white men who are being silenced by the mean girls of modern feminism


    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...-a7227021.html

    And they are so hate filled that they hate even those progressives like you who actually agree with their hate ideas, but happen to be white males, hence guilty:


    The Pettiness of the Angry White Male


    https://medium.com/@cmclymer/the-pet...e-58bcc970021d

    He says he's progressive but is he really a 'brogressive'?

    https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-a-brogressive

    Listen, Liberal White Guy


    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b057e23e313f4a



    Now see how plainly racist and sexist this actually is. It doesn't even matter what are your ideas. You are guilty based on specifically being white and male.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enros View Post
    ITT: People falling for satire.

    It's satire in the same tradition as Jonathon Swift's "A Modest Proposal". Swift wanted people to empathize more with the starving Irish when he called for their babies to be eaten. This writer wants us to empathize more with women/Muslims/people of colour when she calls for white men's rights to be violated.
    Well spotted. The thread title was so daft I didn't actually pay enough attention to the content of the article. It's pretty obviously satire. I mean it's claiming white men should be denied the vote 'following their actions over the past 500 years', exactly the kind of group blame that some people like to use when it comes to Muslims/refugees and terrorism.
    When the doctrine of allegiance to party can utterly up-end a man's moral constitution and make a temporary fool of him besides, what excuse are you going to offer for preaching it, teaching it, extending it, perpetuating it? Shall you say, the best good of the country demands allegiance to party? Shall you also say it demands that a man kick his truth and his conscience into the gutter, and become a mouthing lunatic, besides?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mishkin View Post
    Shelley Garland (MA Philosophy Student) =/= "Progressives".

    Such a cheating O.P is an insult to anyone's intelligence.
    Why isn't she a progressive?

    She's doing a very good job. When people get worried about white men's rights, she can ask them why aren't they equally as worried about the rights of other groups which are really being violated. Satire at its finest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Basil II the B.S View Post
    As I said, this kind of people get regularly the platform of left leaning media:
    An Open Letter to White Men in America
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rev-dr-john-c-dorhauer/an-open-letter-to-white-m_b_7857790.htm
    Southern Whites, Let’s Admit Our Privilege And Do Something About It
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/b-shaw...b_7663064.html
    White Guys: We Suck and We’re Sorry’ Apologizes For Centuries Of Privilege
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...n_5269105.html
    White men must be stopped: The very future of mankind depends on it
    http://www.salon.com/2015/12/22/whit...on_it_partner/
    'Angry white men': the sociologist who studied Trump's base before Trump
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ngry-white-men
    I've heard enough of the white male rage narrative
    https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...lection-voters
    Including ironic ones like:
    I feel for the straight white men who are being silenced by the mean girls of modern feminism
    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...-a7227021.html
    And they are so hate filled that they hate even those progressives like you who actually agree with their hate ideas, but happen to be white males, hence guilty:
    The Pettiness of the Angry White Male
    https://medium.com/@cmclymer/the-pet...e-58bcc970021d
    He says he's progressive but is he really a 'brogressive'?
    https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-a-brogressive
    Listen, Liberal White Guy
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b057e23e313f4a
    Now see how plainly racist and sexist this actually is. It doesn't even matter what are your ideas. You are guilty based on specifically being white and male.
    It's quite clear that your position relies on nothing more than making baseless assumptions about what the title of these links mean. A rather pathetic excuse for a basis of a discussion...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Basil II the B.S View Post
    As I said, this kind of people get regularly the platform of left leaning media:
    You have put together satiric articles and complaints about colonialism with articles of people who simply complaint about the establishment (formed by white men) or the lack of empathy of "white people" regarding racial/social issues.

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    Default Re: Progressives now want to remove the right to vote for white men

    Quote Originally Posted by Basil II the B.S View Post
    Now see how plainly racist and sexist this actually is. It doesn't even matter what are your ideas. You are guilty based on specifically being white and male.
    I'm not even talking about ideas here. I'm talking about the plain dishonesty of acting like a blog post by a South African college student amounts to a significant policy shift in liberal and progressive ideology worldwide. You may think this is a minor point, but it honestly reflects badly on your own viewpoints when you have to stoop to making clickbait thread titles like this.

    If you want to complain about idiots like the person in the article, feel free to do so, but please label it appropriately. Sorry to say, Basil, but no, liberals and progressives don't want to remove the right to vote for white men.
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