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    Quote Originally Posted by Setekh View Post
    Context, context, context. Use it. When one talks as if other communities never produce terrorists then pointing out other terrorists is a natural response. It's more like if you argued that cancer was only caused by eating oranges and then you whine when I point out the past cases of people getting cancer over eating bananas. It's not like saying we shouldn't cure cancer because of AIDS at all. It's like saying we shouldn't kill all smokers because of cancer.
    I never said that non-Muslims don't produce terrorists. But a significant amount of terrorists in Europe and Sweden in particular are, in fact, Muslims. So limiting Muslim immigration, as well as encouraging Muslim emigration does decrease such demographics, and thus decreases likelihood of such a terrorist attack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heathen Hammer View Post
    I never said that non-Muslims don't produce terrorists. But a significant amount of terrorists in Europe and Sweden in particular are, in fact, Muslims. So limiting Muslim immigration, as well as encouraging Muslim emigration does decrease such demographics, and thus decreases likelihood of such a terrorist attack.
    If you acknowledge that terrorists can be from other communities as well but you choose to take action against only one community it simply shows that you're acting out of bigotry regardless of how effective it would be. You don't use such dubious standards against any other problem, why use it against Muslims?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Setekh View Post
    If you acknowledge that terrorists can be from other communities as well but you choose to take action against only one community it simply shows that you're acting out of bigotry regardless of how effective it would be. You don't use such dubious standards against any other problem, why use it against Muslims?
    I choose to discuss the topic at hand, in this case the Muslim terrorist attack in Sweden. If you want to start a thread on IRA you are more then welcome to do so.
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    I choose to discuss the topic at hand, in this case the Muslim terrorist attack in Sweden. If you want to start a thread on IRA you are more then welcome to do so.
    We are discussing the topic at hand. I'm asking you why you're using a standard that is not used against other communities in the case of Muslims. What's special about this one?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Setekh View Post
    We are discussing the topic at hand. I'm asking you why you're using a standard that is not used against other communities in the case of Muslims. What's special about this one?
    And how many terrorist attacks were committed in the past 3 years in Sweden and how many of them were done by non-Muslims?
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    And how many terrorist attacks were committed in the past 3 years in Sweden and how many of them were done by non-Muslims?
    Why don't you tell us? While at it, tell us how it answers my question.
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    The Green party is really panicking about this as they have been the most outspoken party in regards to not expelling people who seek asylum without sufficient cause. A few years ago they brokered a deal with the (previous right wing) coalition governing coalition to provide free school and healthcare to people unlawfully staying within the country. As a response to the terrorist attack they now instead want to put ankle monitors on all refugees who are likely to not leave Sweden when they should. Most people does however not seem overly impressed by this kind of 180 turn as people who support tougher measures never voted for them anyway and they are now at 3.2 % in the polls.

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    Why don't you tell us? While at it, tell us how it answers my question.
    You are the one making an absurd claim here.
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    You are the one making an absurd claim here.
    What claim am I making? And, how does this question answer how your previous question answers my previous question? Come on. Substantiate your words.
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    Default Re: Truck kills people in Stockholm, terror attack.

    Quote Originally Posted by Heathen Hammer View Post
    You are the one making an absurd claim here.
    Quote Originally Posted by Setekh View Post
    What claim am I making? And, how does this question answer how your previous question answers my previous question? Come on. Substantiate your words.
    I think you should both write a numbered list of what each of you are saying. It might help you guys out, I definitely would help us spectators!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adar View Post
    The Green party is really panicking about this as they have been the most outspoken party in regards to not expelling people who seek asylum without sufficient cause. A few years ago they brokered a deal with the (previous right wing) coalition governing coalition to provide free school and healthcare to people unlawfully staying within the country. As a response to the terrorist attack they now instead want to put ankle monitors on all refugees who are likely to not leave Sweden when they should. Most people does however not seem overly impressed by this kind of 180 turn as people who support tougher measures never voted for them anyway and they are now at 3.2 % in the polls.
    This is the reason why they are dropping massively in support and along with the fact it was revealed that they had tons of islamists among their ranks (Kaplan, Khan, Temsamani etc), even more so than S. Don't think there are many left who are taking them seriously and I wouldn't be surprised if we saw them drop near 4% in 2018. After all they played a big role in giving terrorists and islamists the chance to destabilize our society with their ultra-liberal policies.

    They should have just changed name to "Massinvandringspartiet", at least that way they wouldn't fake to care about the environment seeing how much political clout went towards immigration rather than the environment lately on their part.

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