Well folks, Trump voters, unsurprisingly, think it ain't Donnie's fault the healthcare bill couldn't pass:
The day after the flaming out of U.S. President Donald Trump's first major legislative initiative, his supporters across America were lashing out - at conservatives, at Democrats, at leaders of his Republican Party in Congress.
Only Trump himself was spared their wrath.
Many voters who elected him appeared largely willing to give him a pass on the collapse of his campaign promise to overhaul the U.S. healthcare system, stressing his short time in office.
That's what scapegoats are for.
And whipping boys.
Eats, shoots, and leaves.
You don't bring up things to the House for a vote without securing them first. The ACA took years to craft, modify, and finally pass. You think they passed it with no issues? The ACA is riddled with holes and compromises, the battle-scars of experienced politicians at work. The ACA is a case-study of how to draft legislation on a hotly-contested topic.
Paul Ryan is nothing but the stereotype of a crooked, incompetent politician. He knows how to win votes, stir up resentment, and strawmanning the debate. The last seven years have thoroughly proven that he does not know anything about policy making. Where are the results of his decade and a half in House politics?
Let's not even get started about the 6 pages covering lottery winners. If this is Ryan's policy crafting then it is an absolute joke.
He certainly knows how to get re-elected.
Ryan's never been Speaker when the Republicans were in the driver's seat. Hell the last time the Republicans were in any semblance of control of the government they weren't so broken up into factions(Hastert was Speaker). Boehner and Ryan were mostly leading a resistance and could afford to just pass a straight up repeal and someone would just block or veto. Once your citizens are on the line though things get strangely tougher. Ryan's district, odds are, will keep liking him. Congress as a whole is one of the most disliked things in America. Congressmen themselves, however have to do a very pisspoor job to get voted out of office in their own district or state. Will the House keep making him Speaker? Who knows. Will the Republicans bother negotiating even with themselves in a setting designed from the ground up for negotiation and deal-making instead of demanding from the beginning a repeal(or whatever is next on the list)? Again, who knows.
One thing is for certain: the more profoundly baffled you have been in your life, the more open your mind becomes to new ideas.
-Neil deGrasse Tyson
Let's think the unthinkable, let's do the undoable. Let us prepare to grapple with the ineffable itself, and see if we may not eff it after all.
Whoever is calling Eddie Lampert a self-made man who came from a working class background...
His father was senior/managing partner in a prestigious NYC law firm.
Lampert is also Jewish and was given about $27 million in "start up money" by a fellow Jewish man, a businessman/investor. There is certain social capital in some communities, shared religion, fraternity, secret society, etc., that should not be under-estimated. An elite Jewish businessman might help out a young Jewish man from his business/religious circle who wants to get started.
It can work the same way for Freemasons, and other societies.
The poor already have too much spending money, as evidenced by the correlation between poverty and consumption of alcohol, tobacco, and money spent on tattoos and piercings.
The problem is that most poor people dont know how to make money and they dont know how to hold onto money.
Why should I have to grow up in poverty to be respected? There is no dignity in poverty.
Why should my children have to grow up in poverty?
I would like to be in a position, where every son I have, when they turn 21 or 25 [or sometime in-between], I will give them several million dollars and tell them to go start a business or buy land and start a farm.
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Hahahaha, I couldn't think of a better example of self-serving propaganda developed by the rich to be parodied by the poor than what you just said.
All things considered, if the unhealthy habits of the poor are evidence of having too much spending money, what does the habits of the rich tell you? You bought a pack of cigarettes, I bought a timeshare in the bahamas I'll never use. You purchased a way to forget your problems, I purchased a 100 gallon fish tank for and giggles. You purchased a movie ticket, I purchased a home theatre. You purchased a video game, I purchased a trip that felt like a video game. You purchased food, I purchased food. Who here has too much spending money? Or are you just going to hold that standard to the poor? Do you even care about people?
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From Australia: had my gall bladder out after three painful episodes. Went to emergency those three times, took 1-2 hours each time (one time the attack was over before I was seen) but they booked in an operation (didn't even need to go through my GP), and I was treated well when they did see me. I was given drugs if I needed them, information, and they were getting to the serious cases very quickly so I wasn't being kept waiting for no reason.
Indeed. Boasts about competence and the easy road ahead were just lies for the stupid.
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The demographics in the intelligence quotient and motivations for the Trumpeters is a bit more complex than the rednecks they like to interview in his rallies.
Some may have actually believed that Trump may magically conjure a new healthcare bill that would keep every provision they liked, and make it cheaper to pay for while increasing the military budget and cutting taxes across the board. Though it would appear, a rather substantial percentage.
Had it passed, it would be wealthcare, since only the rich would have really gotten the savings.
Eats, shoots, and leaves.
I would like to see the budget, size, scope, and nature of government scaled back to what it was around 1805 under Thomas Jefferson.
Department of War
Department of Navy
Department of State
Department of Justice/Attorney General
Department of Treasury
Eliminate the rest of the cabinet.
This naturally means no government involvement in healthcare.
Let freedom reign.
Probably 98% of people cannot conceive of a society where the state is not all-powerful and is not involved in almost every aspect of their daily life.
Mussolini summed it up very well, "the truth is men are of liberty."
"Man is born free yet every where he is in chains..."
You're born free but the very next instant they begin bombarding you with propaganda about why you need the state, why you are incomplete, why you need to buy this, study this, work there, aspire to the life they tell you is the only way to live.
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If we didn't fundamentally believe in healthcare, the monkeys wouldn't have started grooming each other.
Eats, shoots, and leaves.
I think you a word in that quote.... Although yes good point, we should have our government guided by a fascists propaganda speeches rather then "common sense" or "things that actually work", exactly as the founding fathers intended.
Also thank you for a government/taxes = slavery reference, I finally hit lolbertarian bingo from this thread
odi et amo quare id faciam fortasse requiris / nescio sed fieri sentio et excrucior
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mussolini was a great advocate of personal freedom, or so alex jones tells me.
and oc everyone gets indoctrinated with leftist propaganda form an early age, and not with religious nonsense about how the gays are from hell, or that some mommies kill their babies
so, libertarians in this thread, do you prefer your healthcare plans made by religious nutjobs, cuz you know, freedom of choice?
because thats what a republican government means, though its less communist than obamacare, i grant you that.
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Well the problem with the US health care is that at this point is contradictory, basically it's the result of endless negotiations.
Half measures don't always work well, at this point the only good choices left are to go full public or full private healthcare.