The Putin - Trump Controversy: Here to Stay - Links between Trump and Russia are being officially investigated by the FBI

[Heathen Hammer]

First of all, if there was any shred of evidence it would have been paraded by both intelligence and FBI. Instead, all we have is just a bunch of hot air coming from establishment shills.
Second, where were all the investigations about collusion between Obama and Saudi Arabia (terrorist country whose Al-Qaeda killed thousands of American citizens)? Or Bush and Israel (country that spied on US)?
it seem hypocritical to claim that Trump's hypothetical ties to Russia are a threat, even if Russia itself wasn't as hostile as some nations with which previous administrations were openly colluding.

[removeduser_487563287433]

Well except for the whole thing where he confirms the FBI are investigating links between Trump and Russia, something you have personally denied for months ever existed, HH, and the actual topic of this thread.

[Roma_Victrix]

So here it is. You may remember that our alt-right posters have spent months upon months loyally lying about there being no evidence of links between Trump and Russia, so prepare for some top-quality mental gymnastics. No doubt the left is to blame, somehow:

To be fair, I wouldn't call it "lying", I would call it incredulity on behalf of his supporters since there was no solid evidence in those last few months of Obama's presidency when Donald Trump was still president-elect. Evidence of a possible collusion did not yet exist in the public sphere. The only evidence the general public still has are passing, indirect events such as the resignation of Michael Flynn over meeting with a Russian envoy. In January, while Obama was still president his Director of National Intelligence James Clapper declassified a report about possible Russian interference in the election, including the releasing of leaked DNC and Hillary campaign emails. Now we have this, the confirmation that Comey and the FBI had indeed opened a formal investigation. No doubt more will be revealed to the public in the near future, but perhaps not anytime soon, not as long as so much information remains classified as Comey stressed during his hearing on Capitol Hill.

[Gaidin]

Me thinks you don't know how this works if you think they'd parade anything from an active investigation out there.

[Prodromos]

Oh my goodness TWC. I am anti Trump and consider myself a politics junkie, but this Russia/wiretapping "scandal" is literally the most boring topic ever. I really can't imagine that anyone cares about it (I can probably find polls about this). Yet we have literally around half a dozen threads about it. Give it a rest.

This is just beating a dead horse. Trump's approval rating is already pushing zero. What more do the socialists want?

[PointOfViewGun]

Oh my goodness TWC. I am anti Trump and consider myself a politics junkie, but this Russia/wiretapping "scandal" is literally the most boring topic ever. I really can't imagine that anyone cares about it (I can probably find polls about this). Yet we have literally around half a dozen threads about it. Give it a rest.

This is just beating a dead horse. Trump's approval rating is already pushing zero. What more do the socialists want?

Perhaps, understanding that Russian ties and the wiretapping allegations are two separate issues?

[Telamon]

It was rather telling watching Republicans consistently focusing on who leaked the materials, rather than what they leaked. Because apparently finding whistleblowers is far more important than investigating the hostile activies of a foreign power.

[Prodromos]

Perhaps, understanding that Russian ties and the wiretapping allegations are two separate issues?

Why was he wiretapped (allegedly)? Could it have something to do with, I dunno, ties to Russia?

[PointOfViewGun]

Why was he wiretapped (allegedly)? Could it have something to do with, I dunno, ties to Russia?

Wiretapping claim story did not include a Russian angle. Trump thought Obama wiretapped him to meddle with the elections.

[Prodromos]

Wiretapping claim story did not include a Russian angle. Trump thought Obama wiretapped him to meddle with the elections.

I've read that Trump or his advisers were monitored due to suspected ties to Russia. But of course I haven't seen much or any evidence of the wiretapping, so we can't know for sure.

[PointOfViewGun]

I've read that Trump or his advisers were monitored due to suspected ties to Russia. But of course I haven't seen much or any evidence of the wiretapping, so we can't know for sure.

You've read that FBI supposedly asked to monitor four of Trump's team members because of ties to Russia. What Trump nonchalantly claimed was that Obama wiretapped his office to meddle with the elections. Two different things.

[WhiskeySykes]

The combined control of English and Wall Street firms over the West will never deteriorate to the point Rooshins need be feared. This is smoke up our asses, and so what of it? Another nation tampers with anothers' sovereignty. This happens to be America's favorite past-time.

[Telamon]

They say innocent men don't run, but Trump hasn't stopped running his mouth since the moment these allegations involving Russia started. Surely, knowing the truth of his innocence, he would simply allow these investigations to play out, rather than staying up late at night reading Breibart and posting incoherent conspiracy theories on Twitter.

It is hard to say, exactly, how a presidential administration should behave when it has been the beneficiary, wittingly or unwittingly, of foreign interference on its behalf. The U.S. intelligence community has already concluded that the Russian government sabotaged Hillary Clinton’s campaign to bolster Trump’s candidacy. Even under the most innocent of circumstances, Trump and his senior aides would find themselves in the awkward position of having to contend with the role that dirty tricks played in their rise to political power.

But the defensive, contentious posture they have adopted—marked by obfuscation, deflection, and wild counterpunching—doesn’t call to mind the temporary embarrassment of a political team benefiting from the interference of some noxious but unaffiliated entity, like the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth that smeared Democratic nominee John Kerry in 2004. They’re acting like cornered animals. And though Trump’s response to these developments is dressed up with the trappings of the presidency, including a White House press secretary who speaks on his behalf every day, it bears all the hallmarks of his standard reaction when his unsavory associations come back to bite him. This is vintage, guilty Trump.

https://newrepublic.com/article/1414...-acting-guilty

[Sint]

They say innocent men don't run, but Trump hasn't stopped running his mouth since the moment these allegations involving Russia started.

So I assume you don't know that those two things have nothing to do with each other?

[grinder]

https://apnews.com/122ae0b5848345faa88108a03de40c5a/Manafort's-plan-to-'greatly-benefit-the-Putin-Government

"Manafort proposed in a confidential strategy plan as early as June 2005 that he would influence politics, business dealings and news coverage inside the United States, Europe and the former Soviet republics to benefit the Putin government, even as U.S.-Russia relations under Republican President George W. Bush grew worse. Manafort pitched the plans to Russian aluminum magnate Oleg Deripaska, a close Putin ally with whom Manafort eventually signed a $10 million annual contract beginning in 2006, according to interviews with several people familiar with payments to Manafort and business records obtained by the AP."

[Elfdude]

So since Manafort is now identified as a Russian Agent, the crime of which is a felony are we still asserting the Trump campaign has no ties with Russia or can we say that ship has sailed?

[irontaino]

So since Manafort is now identified as a Russian Agent, the crime of which is a felony are we still asserting the Trump campaign has no ties with Russia or can we say that ship has sailed?

He can do no wrong, it's all the Globalist Elite Establishment Mainstream Media

[Elfdude]

Is that you Bannon you ol' dog you?

Pretty sure this is just a False Flag Op paid for by George Soros and corporate schills... except those with Trump ties of course, wouldn't want my cognitive dissonance to get too large.

[Basil II the B.S]

So since Manafort is now identified as a Russian Agent, the crime of which is a felony are we still asserting the Trump campaign has no ties with Russia or can we say that ship has sailed?

Just because reality doesn't go your way it's not like you have to distort it like this.

Manafort did business with Deripanska in 2005, so what?

Did he take orders from the Kremlin for the 2017 Trump campaign? Nope. So much for the ''Russian agent''.

Then you are the one committing libel.

Noteworthy to comment the fact that the only ones taking this seriously, according to the article itself, are your newlyfound best buddies: Neocon criminals McCain and Lindsey Graham. This liberal/neocon axis sure shrieks hypocrisy.

Let's double down on the hypocrisy: Clinton foundation takes 50-100 million$, all good. ''Most qualified candidate ever''.
One operative of Trump's campaign did a deal with Russia over a decade ago: ''Russian agent everyone, believe me''.

And you still wonder why you lost.

[ByzantinePowerGame]

Just because reality doesn't go your way it's not like you have to distort it like this.

Manafort did business with Deripanska in 2005, so what?

Did he take orders from the Kremlin for the 2017 Trump campaign? Nope. So much for the ''Russian agent''.

Then you are the one committing libel.

Noteworthy to comment the fact that the only ones taking this seriously, according to the article itself, are your newlyfound best buddies: Neocon criminals McCain and Lindsey Graham. This liberal/neocon axis sure shrieks hypocrisy.

Let's double down on the hypocrisy: Clinton foundation takes 50-100 million$, all good. ''Most qualified candidate ever''.
One operative of Trump's campaign did a deal with Russia over a decade ago: ''Russian agent everyone, believe me''.

And you still wonder why you lost.

Clinton lost because of a vast sexist conspiracy... Men don't want to vote for a woman for president and women are so brainwashed by patriarchy that they won't even vote for a fellow woman for president.

Personally I don't believe Hillary Clinton is a woman, I choose to identify her and view her as a genderless reptile from the second moon of Jupiter.