Valyria, also called Old Valyria, is a ruined city in Essos. It is a long-dead city of wonderment, and was once the capital of a great empire called the Valyrian Freehold. It was destroyed by a cataclysmic event known as the Doom of Valyria a century before Aegon's Landing. It is the ancestral home of House Targaryen, House Celtigar, and House Velaryon.[1]
So the Iron Bank foreclosed.
Eats, shoots, and leaves.
Northerners suck, what do you expect?
Too bad they managed to snatch the Consecutio Imperii...
Considering that Westeros is a superposition of War-of-the-Roses-Britain with North America (Kent is not a hot and sandy place like Dorne, Mexico is, and the pathologically honest Northmen fit the clichées about Canadians better than those about Scots) one might even draw the parallel between the Westerosi nobles usurping the Targaryen "imperium"/kingship and American conceptions of the US of A as the last successor of the Roman Empire. Given the story of aSoIaF one might wonder when the Romano-Greeks will finally (re-)invade North America, allying with Mexico/Dorne, after ending slavery in the Persian Gulf/Slaver's Bay and taking control of the Mongols/Huns/Dothraki.
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On an eternal crusade for reason, logics, catholicism and chocolate. Mostly chocolate, though.
I can heartily recommend the Italian Wars mod by Aneirin.
In exile, but still under the patronage of the impeccable Aikanár, alongside Aneirin. Humble patron of Cyclops, Frunk and Abdülmecid I.
Essos isn't at all like Europe to make this correlation, but not to be called a party breaker again, I'll try.
If river Rhoyne is Danube, I should be around the smaller river that flows into Rhoyne just to the east of Myr. Or perhaps the one between Norvos and Pentos. I can't imagine how that fits except that Rhoyne is a bit like Danube, except the name is more like Rhine. Free cities are maybe Germany upside down, with a touch of Greek polis and pseudo-medieval Italian feeling. Perhaps somewhere in Sarnor is more appopriate for me. Although they feel more like Russia post Mongols.
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I have trouble believing a word you have to say, due to how irrationally angry and primal that red-eyed avatar of yours looks. Not to be trusted!
On that note, you might be right. Then again who knows what's going on in GRRM's head, aside from daydreams about pork roasts with donuts.
I always thought Braavos was kind of a pseudo northern Italian type thing-a-ma-jig, if only because of the Iron Bank. I don't know, maybe some cultural things about it indicate the northern Italian trope as well.
In either case this is nerdy and gay. We should talk about manly heterosexual stuff, like Lord of the Rings.
Those are warm red eyes full of warmth and love and... warmth.
Volantis is sort of Constantinople, they tried to reconquer other cities after Valyria fell and kept calling themselves Valyrians. The problem with Martin's Essos and whole world is that it's unusually devoid of barbarians. Valyrians seems to have assimilated every culture completely and aside from Dothraki there were no other nations migrating west to take advantage of chaos, and Dothraki don't settle (which is also odd, one constant of steppe peoples was that they'd rule and settle conquered nations, not completely destroy them).
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^Not quite as bizarre/dumb as having nomad horsemen (dothraki) want to buy horses from the cities
There are two other steppe peoples in Essos. Also there are many non-Valyrian speaking and culturally unrelated settled peoples.
Tell that to the Mongols who extorted horses from the local ruler in north-west Iran in exchange for peace. Being very honorable people, they returned next year and annihilated him.
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^Hm, maybe they wanted to secure the horses needed to field iranian mounted troops would not be there?
(not sure, yet intuitively it seems strange for horse nomads to want payment in horses, and the dothraki aren't part of an over-horde which might keep some horses for itself and leave peripheral subhordes horse-starved ).
Who knows, I think they went to fight Cumans afterwards so that might be the reason for extra horses.
Dothraki aren't always united, they often fracture and fight amongst themselves, some of them lose horses in process.
There you go, they just want to sample some other flavours when making their sausages. Different horses - different flavour!
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But I'm not European... I don't know the White Walkers? Frozen zombies of the north here in Canucknadia.
Scottish so it'd be the wild and unruly barbarians north of the Wall for me. Wildlings all.