Donald Trump's Immigration and Refugee Ban

[Ziltoid]

"Donald Trump didn’t come up with the list of Muslim countries he wants to ban. Obama did."

https://mic.com/articles/166845/the-...ion#.fSoivjesS

How, though, did the Trump administration choose these seven Muslim-majority countries? The truth is it didn't: The countries were chosen during Barack Obama's presidency.
According to the draft copy of Trump's executive order, the countries whose citizens are barred entirely from entering the United States is based on a bill that Obama signed into law in December 2015.

[hellheaven1987]

Weird, he did not put Jews or Afghans or Pakistanis on the list.

[the_mango55]

"Donald Trump didn’t come up with the list of Muslim countries he wants to ban. Obama did."

https://mic.com/articles/166845/the-...ion#.fSoivjesS

He couldn't even come up with his own list of countries to ban? He had to use some random list he found lying on a desk somewhere from a different piece of legislation?

Can't say I'm totally surprised, I doubt he could name 6 countries in the middle east.

[The Gurkhan]

This should be seen as proof to the MAGA hat wearing idiots that their savior is yet another globalist shill.

[caratacus]

Trump executive order: US judge temporarily halts deportations
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38786660

I agree with the extreme vetting procedures that Trump wants, but the sudden introduction of the present restrictions was not implemented with a thought to its consequences and has been halted by a US judge.

A test of good law is that it is "fair and reasonable" and to have people stranded at airports or elsewhere, unsure where they will go and divided from other members of their family, is most definitely not. Even those having to cope with the outfall in the US immigration service, were unprepared for this order to be issued. Whilst it has been a huge benefit to those who are anti Trump, in framing him and his policies in completely negative terms in the public eye.

In addition from the legality of its implementation, their should also be a justification, and although temporary banning people from areas of conflict and terrorism can be said to be justified, the inclusion of a country like Iran is questionable. Especially at a time when good diplomatic relations between the US and Iran is especially important. If you include Iran you would have to include Turkey.

Honestly, who is advising Trump if anyone on this!!

Moved from the general Trump thread. ~Iskar

[Napoleonic Bonapartism]

The inclusion of Iran is pretty baffling.

[sumskilz]

The inclusion of Iran is pretty baffling.

It was a recycling of this list:

In what could be a sign the administration is moving away from a policy seen as discriminatory, the Obama administration announced Thursday that it is restricting visa-free travel to the U.S. for recent visitors to three additional countries — but not for dual nationals with those passports.

Under the new restrictions, citizens of the 38 countries that are part of the reciprocal visa-waiver program will lose their visa-free travel status if they have traveled to Libya, Somalia or Yemen within the past five years. Thursday’s announcement is an expansion of a law passed late last year, which revoked the visa-waiver status of people who had recently traveled to Iraq, Syria, Iran or Sudan, and who hold dual citizenship with any of those four countries.

The law was passed in the wake of the Paris and San Bernardino terror attacks, as an effort to increase screening of individuals who are tied to countries with an active terrorist presence. Critics of the new bill questioned the seemingly arbitrary country selection, noting that Saudi Arabia, home to several of the hijackers in the September 11 attacks, was not included on the list.

[Heathen Hammer]

Makes you wonder why they don't get along better with Republicans, right?

Because Republicans support LGBT rights and women's rights as well, probably with exception hardcore neo-cons such as Bush family or McCain.
Just because a bunch of gender-fluid snowflakes think that all Republicans are some kind of Fascist White Supremacist in disguise, doesn't mean such views have any reflection on reality.

not given. Let's set a theme about muslim countries. Except coincidentally here. Politics are fun. Image! Especially since SA farmed half of 9/11. And god knows the problems Egypt has been having. But you know...Trump's business conflicts. We gotta take care of those!

It has nothing to do with Trump business conflicts, US has actual military bases there. that has been pointed out multiple times.

[the_mango55]

Because Republicans support LGBT rights and women's rights as well, probably with exception hardcore neo-cons such as Bush family or McCain.

Yeah just one or two exceptions. Plus the current vice president. plus Trump's pick for Attorney General.

[Kraut and Tea]

Trump is too soft on Islam.

Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE and Pakistan are not on that list, eventhough they are the prime causes of Islamic fascism.

[Ludicus]

The inclusion of Iran is pretty baffling.

THE MORNING AFTER: Impact of Trump's immigration order -- Inside ...
Priebus said Sunday that the list of countries could grow,

You can point to other countries that have similar problems like Pakistan and others

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PM makes instruction to Boris Johnson and Amber Rudd as she faces pressure to cancel Donald Trump’s state visit.Theresa May has ordered her foreign and home secretaries to speak to their US counterparts about Donald Trump’s ban on people from seven predominantly Muslim countries entering the US, as she faced increasing pressure over the issue.

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And, guess what,

Trump has tweeted again citing the deaths of Christians in the Middle East as justification for his travel ban.

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Christians in the Middle-East have been executed in large numbers. We cannot allow this horror to continue!

He conveniently forgot that Muslims suffered between 82 and 97 per cent of terrorism-related fatalities over the past five years -according to,
Country Reports on Terrorism 2011 National Counterterrorism Center .

[Mithradates]

He conveniently forgot that Muslims suffered between 82 and 97 per cent of terrorism-related fatalities over the past five years

How is that relevant?

[the_mango55]

How is that relevant?

Why are Christians in the middle east relevant?

[Kraut and Tea]

Why are Christians in the middle east relevant?

Because they are either discriminated, forced to leave or exterminated.

The "Uhhh but muslums murder muslums" line is an utter irrelevants since it only proves that muslims like killing each other just as much or even more as they like killing non-muslims.
The other fact that makes it is irrelevant is that I do not live in the middle east, neither do most Americans. If the worlds muslims are to incompitent or barbaric to establish peacefull societies in their homelands that is no excuse to bring their deathcult and it`s practices here.

[Gäiten]

List of country who have prohibited Israelis to enter their countries:
Algeria, Bangladesh, Brunei, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Malaysia, Oman, Pakistan, Saudi-Arabia,
Sudan, Syria, UAE, Yemen
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel...aeli_passports

[Mithradates]

Why are Christians in the middle east relevant?

Because Christians are the world's most persecuted religious group.

[The Gurkhan]

Because they are either discriminated, forced to leave or exterminated.

The "Uhhh but muslums murder muslums" line is an utter irrelevants since it only proves that muslims like killing each other just as much or even more as they like killing non-muslims.
The other fact that makes it is irrelevant is that I do not live in the middle east, neither do most Americans. If the worlds muslims are to incompitent or barbaric to establish peacefull societies in their homelands that is no excuse to bring their deathcult and it`s practices here.

It's actually very relevant. The type of person (you) Trump is appealing to with these tweets would typically subscribe to a sort of persecution Olympics in which Muslims wherever they may be are invariably never victims and always offenders. Also that Muslims somehow benefit (at the expense of others) from the extremism rampant in the region which in turn validates your view that Islam is inherently evil etc.

Besides there's strong correlation in the 21st century between apparently competent Americans with apparently non-barbaric ideas turning up in places such as Iraq (very nearly Syria too) and native Christian populations plummeting very quickly. Good job oh protectors of Christians.

[Lord Oda Nobunaga]

Trump is too soft on Islam.

Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE and Pakistan are not on that list, even though they are the prime causes of Islamic fascism.

This.
The first thing that surprised me is that Saudi Arabia was not in the list.

[The Gurkhan]

Why should it be even remotely surprising that Saudi, Pakistan and various lick spittle Gulf states aren't on the list compiled by a US government?

[Kraut and Tea]

It's actually very relevant. The type of person (you) Trump is appealing to with these tweets would typically subscribe to a sort of persecution Olympics in which Muslims wherever they may be are invariably never victims and always offenders. Also that Muslims somehow benefit (at the expense of others) from the extremism rampant in the region which in turn validates your view that Islam is inherently evil etc.

Besides there's strong correlation in the 21st century between apparently competent Americans with apparently non-barbaric ideas turning up in places such as Iraq (very nearly Syria too) and native Christian populations plummeting very quickly. Good job oh protectors of Christians.

Oh nice. The "But muh Western intervention" narrative.

During the past decades we have had Islamic terror in:

The Phillipines,
Nepal,
Thailand,
China,
Russia,
India,
Kenya,
Etheopia,
Burkina Faso,
Tansania,
Chad,
Niger,
Nigeria,
Ghana,
Cameroon,
Ivory Coast,
Russia,
Argentina,
Brazil

please tell me about all those "Western interventions" lead by those "western nations" like ....China.

Besides, I never claimed muslims cant be victims of discrimination. I claimed that Islamic terror in islamic countries does not make Islamic terror less Islamic or barbaric.