Medieval Kingdoms Total War: Voivodate of Wallachia

[Visarion]

@Ltd.

People here say that Wallachia will not be playable... is it true? Not even The Bazaraads, Terra Lytua or Transalpina!? Dang it... at least put Burzenland of the Teutones... you know... Terra Valahorum et Bissenorum...

The multiethnic Banate of Severin... Jassy... Maramaros... Nothing!? The 1209 Saxon Civitas Moldaviae!?

[Ltd.]

There is an ongoing discussion about this. Opinions are somewhat opposing, and there are of course arguments both for including them or not having them. It´s not up to me alone to decide, however to some extent there was also an agreement that they start off as a cuman subfaction which then can evolve into the vlachs if certain conditions are met, so they will definitely not start as "vlachs" per se but the starting local faction should have access to vlach units

[Visarion]

Oh I see... that is a splendid idea... if you need any help with scripting please let me know... I can help you guys with the campaign.

[Visarion]

These are the options:

White Cumania - Terteroba Clan (Khan Koten, Pontic Steppes) - Cumans, Kypchaks, Kumyks, Kankali-Qangli, Khazars, Muromians, Alans, Lashgians and Circassians -> tier 1 White Cumania -> tier 2 Nogai Horde -> tier 3 Crimean Khanate

Black Cumania (1217) including Civitas Moldaviae (1209), Milcovia (1217), Jassy and Terra Bordini (1222) - Burcoglu/Burcsol Clan (Khan Bortz - Milcovia, Milcov, Moldavia) - Cumans, Vlachs, Saxons, Galicians, Tauro-Scythians, Jasz and even Csangos. I would say Gok-Oghuz and Volga Bulgarians too in Budjek that were there before being deported from Bulgaria but this is a subject of debate. -> tier 1 Black Cumania/Mavro-Vlachia -> tier 2 -> Voivodate of Maramaros held Colony Mark of Moldvabanya/Civitas Moldaviae -> Voivodate of Moldavia



Pontic Steppes, Crimea, Zaporojie and Vozia/Oceakov, Edisan, Budjek, Bilgorod/Mavrokastron:


Disputed between Cumans, Venice, Genoa, Theodoro, Kiev, Moldavia, Golden Horde, Kypchak Horde, Astrakhan, Nogai Horde, Kazan, Circassia and the Crimean Khanate




Terra Blacorum (1222), Silva Blacorum et Bissenorum (1224), Burzenland/Terra Bozza (1211) later Hermannstadt or Villa Hermanni (1223) and Terra Alaut/Ilaut (1241-1242) later Duchy of Fogaras and Amlas - Bezerenbam-Bazaraad-Basarab Clan (Bezerenbam of Terra Alaut or Ilaut that fought the Mongols together with Miseslav of Transalpina, three Saxon armies of Hermannstadt (union of sieben/seven cities centered around Cibinium), Kronstadt and Nosnerland/Bistritz including Schasbrich/Schasburg or Klausenburg and most likely the Szekely of Terra Siculorum and Lytuoy, Voivode of Terra Lytua, Kenez of Hatzeg and Ban of Severin followed by Radu and his son Thocomerius, father of Basarab I, Duke of Fogaras and Amlas, Kenez of Hatzeg, Voivode of Basarabia (Transalpina united with Terra Lytua), Ban of Severin, co-ruler of Campo Longo of the Saxon Magister Laurencius in Transalpina, defender of Temeswar, Transylvania and the Angevin Hungary against the Bohemians) - Cumans, Pechenegs, Jasz, Volga Bulgars, Vlachs, Slavs and possibly Khazars if not Avars as well -> tier 1 Ilaut/Terra Alaut/Terra Blacorum et Bissenorum/Duchy of Amlas and Fogaras, Mark of Campo Longo -> tier 2 Basarabia also known as Ungro-Vlachia -> tier 3 Wallachia -> Disputed between Cumans, the Golden Horde, Bavaria, Bohemia, Hungary and Wallachia

Terra Zeurino/Banatus Zewriniensis/Banate of Severin (1233) - Cumans, Saxons, Hungaroans and Vlachs -> Disputed between Wallachia, Bulgaria, Byzantines and Hungary

Despotate of Dobrudja/Principality of Karvuna - Cumans and Pechenegs - Disputed between Venice, Savoy, Byzantines, Bulgaria, Moldavia, Hungary and Wallachia

Khunsag - Cumans and Jasz - Included in Hungary as a Autonomous faction

I would opt for Black and White Cumania if not the Bazaraads too as a horde faction, a confederation of Cumans, Pechenegs, Volga Bulgars, Jasz, Vlachs, Slavs and Saxons if not Khabars splinters of the Khazars and remnants of Avars as well even if the later were mostly assimilated by the Szeklers, Saxons and Hungarians while the Slavs, Pechenegs and Jasz especially by the Vlachs.


https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=...cumans&f=false6



https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=...0cuman&f=false

[Radu of Wallachia]

Congratulation, Visarion because you posted the image of Battle of Baia (15 December 1467) in which we can see that Moldavian military equipment is not so different from West.
Moldavians beeing depicted using partial plate armours.

Indeed, in time that we speak about the so called "Vlach" Kenazates, or even worse that Vlachs should evolved from Cuman factions,
in Wijnbergen Armorial(c. 1265–1280) are depicted in the last chapter entitled Kings, the coat of arms of two Vlach kings.
At number 1289,le "Roi de Blaquie" having his coat of arms depicted as : "blazoned as barry of twelve or and gules, two lion paws in saltire sable".
And at number 1307 "le Roi de blaqe" having his coat of arms depicted as : " blazoned "barry of ten, or and gules".
The "Le Roi de Blaqe/Blaque" from Wijnbergen has been identified by Dan Cernovodeanu with “Lytvoy woiavode”(c.1247-1279) of “terra Lytva”,the Vlach Litovoi Voivode of terra Lytua/Lytva.
The "Roi de Blaquie" has been identified as Tsar John II „Ioannitsa” Kaloyan (Ioanita Caloian in Romanian history, the third ruler of Vlach Asan family) , his reign (1197-1207), the third Vlach Asenid ruler of the Vlach–Bulgarian Empire ( named in this mod only as Second Bulgarian Tsardom).
Basically,we have mentions in the same period, in the same historic document about two distinct Vlach kings, ruling over two distinct countries, : "king of Blaquie"(Ioanita Caloian's Tsardom)
on South of Danube (old Thracian Moesia province) and "King of Vlachs"(Litovoi' state ) on North of Danube (containing parts of old Dacian kingdom, Oltenia).
Ionita Caloian himself took refuge on North of Danube after his escape from his Byzantine captivity in 1188.
Even in the Romanian folk traditions, the city of Craiova, in Oltenia, was founded by Ioanita Caloian(Craiova = Crai Iovita).
Also Romanian folk dance like Calusul and Caloianul are dating from that period and also linked with the great Vlach ruler, Ionita Caloian.


In relation with Second-Bulgarian Tsardom we have the first mention of Wallachia as all territory on Vlachs lived on both South of Danube and North of Danube :

"In modern historiography, the state is called the Second Bulgarian Empire, Second Bulgarian Tsardom, or the Second Bulgarian Kingdom to distinguish it from the First Bulgarian Empire.
An alternative name used in connection with the pre-mid 13th century period is the Empire of Vlachs and Bulgars;variant names include the Vlach–Bulgarian Empire, the Bulgarian–Wallachian Empire,or the Romanian–Bulgarian Empire;
the latter name was used exclusively in Romanian historiography.

However, Arabic chronicles from the XIII-th century had used only the name of Wallachia instead of Bulgaria and gave the Arabic coordinates of Wallachia
and specified that Walachia was named "al-Awalak" and the dwellers "ulaqut" or "ulagh"."

Source : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Bulgarian_Empire

In my opinion, the Litovoi proto-statal formation ( well known and worth to be mention in a West, medieval French document) was the nucleus on which the Ungro-Wallachia latter known only as Wallachia was born.
For this mod, Litovoi state is self-suficient as a starting Wallachian faction in 1212.
Ungro-Wallachia is a greek name given to the Romanian Orthodox Metropolitan seat of Hungaro-Wallachia by Constantinople Patriarchy, in contrast to Thessalian or Great Wallachia in Greece or Small Wallachia (Mala Vlaška) in Serbia.
All Basarab dynasty's Voivods used Ungro-Wallachia in official documents (in Slavonic texts, the name Zemli Ungro-Vlahiskoi) as a name for Tara Romaneasca.
But Romanians never called themself Vlachs, but always, and always only Romanian because our double origin: both Dacian and Roman.

The Battle of Posada (November 9, 1330 – November 12, 1330) taken as a date of founding of Wallachia in history books, marked only the moment of gaining independence from Hungarian Kingdom.


Sources for the "Le Roi de blaqe":
- The Wijnbergen Armorial(c. 1265–1280): is a medieval French roll published in two parts (Part 1, c. 1265–1270; Part 2, c. 1270–1285), containing 1,312 painted coats.

- The Romanian historian Alexandru Madgeru in his book "The Asanids: The Political and Military History of the Second Bulgarian empire(1185-1280)" write
about Cernovodeanu's identification of "Roi de blaqe" with Litovoi, the ruler of Oltenia ,mentioning the two Vlach kings: "the Blaquie" and "de Blaqe".

- Also in the article : "Basarab House of Wallachia. Heraldic and genealogical study" by Tiberiu Fratila-Felmer discuss the two
Vlach rulers ("le Roi de blaqe") and ("Roi de Blaquie") mention in Wijnbergen Armorial(c. 1265–1280) and the links between Vlach Basarab dynasty and Vlach Asen dynasty,
at least at heraldic levels(parts of Asen dynasty banners can be found also in Basarab's dynasty banners).

http://www.academia.edu/30095489/Bas...alogical_study

Note :
Dan Cernovodeanu is a Romanian historian and was the most competent Romanian heraldist, specialized in Vexillology(the scientific study of the history, symbolism and usage of flags).

[Visarion]

Now that is a huge amount of research...

[Visarion]

@Ltd.

This would help as a starting position for the Bazaraads, Civitas de Mylco or Milcovia, now Odobesti established in 1227, officially as a Catholic Dominican Bishopric in the area inhabited by the already converted to Catholicism Tauro-Scythian Bordini of Terra Bordini next to the reticent Orthodox Vlachs of Putna, Puttnam, Varancha, the Sarmatian Jasz of Jassy, Iaski or Civitas Iassiorum, the Vlach Bolokhovians and the Kievan-Galician Berladniks rebels, 6000 riders of the Dniester and Oleshye Black Sea and river port between the later Mavrokastron, Cetatea Alba, Akkerman or Bilgorod and Vozia or Oceakov of the usurper Berladnik who chose to go into exile and joined the Cumans. The pre existing Catholic faction of Terra Bordini was situated by the Pope in close proximity to the Szeklers and their Terra Siculorum. The Bordini were converted to Catholicism by the Teutones (1211-1225) of Terra Bozza or Burzenland, near Terra Blacorum (1222) or Silva Blacorum et Bissenorum (1224), the sanctuary of the once mighty Pechenegs that lived in Fogaras or Ilaut (1240-1241) of Bezerenbam and Hatzeg, but existing since the V century AD as a Catholic centre when St. Nikitas converted the Huns and Szeklers to Catholicism. Teutones also established Kreuzburg there, maybe this is why they named Piatra Neamt, Kreuzburg an der Bistritz as Saxons also established Baia or Civitas Moldaviae in 1205. Teutones and Saxons were autonomous and should be represented as they were there in 1211 established Klausenburg, Nosen or Bistritz, Sandava (1191) or Schassburg, Cibinium (1191), Villa Hermanni (1223) or Hermannstadt, Brassovia (1203) or Kronstadt, Mulbach, Mediasch, Broos, Sachsisch-Regen, Heltau, Rosenau, Reps. The first ruler should be Bortz of the Burcoglu or Burcsol Clan fallowed by Bezerenbam of the Bazaraads, Radu Negru, Thocomerius, Ivanko Basarab as the Burcsol migrated in Hungary while some members of the Burzoglu Clan became hegemons of Mamluk Egypt. This would be a mixed Saxon/Teuton-Cuman-Vlach tier 1 faction evolving into Wallachia. Cumans together with Saxons, Vlachs and Hungarians only settled Severin in 1233 and after as Hungarian subjects. Severin was governed by the Vlach Lytuoi or Lytvoi of Terra Lytua from 1247 when the citadel was rebuilt after the Mongol devastation of 1241-1242.

http://www.muzeulvrancei.ro/despre-noi/

[Visarion]

Here is the answer.

1221

Area: Black Cumania, Region: Terra Bordini, Capital: Civitas de Mylko, Khan: Bortz, Population: Vlach Bolokhovians, Cumans, Pechenegs, Oghuz, Sarmatian Jasz, Tauro-Scythian Bordini, Galician Berladniks, Teutones, Saxons, Hungarian Csangos.

http://www.academia.edu/6800951/Bortz_a_Cuman_Chief

[Visarion]

Bazaram or Bezeren, Duke of Terra Alaut (1224-1246) of the Bazaraads in the 12th century was the first member of the dynasty followed by most likely Lytuoy or Lython, Voivode of Terra Lytua and Ban of Severin, former Knyaz of Hatzeg and most likely Duke of Terra Alaut (1246-1279) and Barbath, Voivode of Terra Lytua (1279-1290), dethroned or taken over by Radu Negru, Duke of Terra Alaut and later, in 1300 with the death of the Saxon Magister of Campo Longo, and most likely co-ruler of Transalpina after the end of the reign of the Slavic or part Slavic Voivodes Mislau, Miselev, Micislav or Miseslav and Seneslau or Seneslav, Voivode of Transalpina and Terra Lytua united (1290-1315), here identified with Thocomerius. The Basarab dynasty was most likely a splinter of the Burcsol family of Bortz, Khan of Black Cumania (1221-1233), former vassals of Terteroba family, Khagan Koten of White Cumania (1220-1223) who continued to rule the autonomous region of Khunsag (1223-1239) in the Hungarian heartland but under Hungarian suzeranity and losing the previous authority over the Pontic Steppes.


Population: Vlachs, Bulgarians, Saxons, Cumans, Pechenegs, Oghuz, Hungarians, Slavs, Jasz, Khazars, Bulgars and very likely the rest of the Avars and some Byzantine select noble-class representatives.



http://wikivisually.com/wiki/Mislau

[Visarion]

@Ltd.

I made some further research and it seems that indeed Silva Blacorum et Bissenorum-Terra Alaut/Ilaut-Dukedom of Fogaras and Amlas is the answer as B.P. Hasdeu made some studies showing clearly that the Basarab dynasty emerged in Fogaras under Bazaram or Bezeren followed by Lytuoy of Terra Lytua, also a member of the Bazaraads and so on. Since 1222 that region, namely Terra Alaut (Ilaut) began to represent the heart of Wallachia together with Terra Zeurino (Banate of Severin), Terra Lytua (Oltenia or Banate of Craiova, from Crai Iovan or Ionita Caloian, later linked to Vidin as well), Terra Bozza (Burzenland or Hermannstadt) and Transalpina. Also a very important role in the line of the Carpathians deffence against nomad and Balkan invasion will play the Szeklers of Terra Siculorum (Szeklerland) and to a certain extent the Saxon Nosnerland and the Vlach Maramaros and their conquests in Black Cumania.

http://enciclopediae.blogspot.co.uk/...sarab.html?m=1

Musat Dynasty, possible Voivodes of Maramaros since 1199, Silva Maramaros or Terra Maramorus, attested since 1300, rewarded with titles and land in 1335 and ruling Moldavia since 1363. Bogdan I ruled as Voivode of maramaros between 1335-1358 with his capital at Kohnya (1352), territory lost to the Dragosesti in 1365 but was given back to Stephen the Great by Mathias Corvin. 1383 was the last year of the de facto autonomy and the use of Ius Valachicum/Lex Antiqua Valachorum.

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&so..._j_8obCfX6jm7Q

Ius Valachorum was used in the Polish and Halych ruled regions of Strasinet, Onut, Sipenit and even Pocutia/Pokucie/Pokutien as well. These regions were shortly in the hands of the Hungarians also.

https://studia.law.ubbcluj.ro/articol/650



To be mentioned also the Dragosesti and Barsan Maramaros Royal Families that received titles together with the Musatini when fending off the Tartar and Moldavian invaders and later Cuman together with Hungarian, Saxon and Szekler allied troops by inflicting 30,000 casualties to the aggressor. The Dragosesti ruled Moldavia between 1247-1259 when they lost it to the rival Musatins together with Civitas Moldaviae or Moldvabanya, it's capital.

[Nikuloki]

Hello, friends. You are doing a good deed. Thank you. This game constantly inspires me.

[finix]

Are these your drawings? If so, аre you interested to become part of the team and work on unit cards?
If you interested PM me

[Nikuloki]

Are these your drawings? If so, аre you interested to become part of the team and work on unit cards?
If you interested PM me

Yes, my drawings. I'm interested in your proposal. I speak weak English. Google translate. I speak Romanian, Russian. In skype to Nikuloki.

[finix]

Yes, my drawings. I'm interested in your proposal. I speak weak English. Google translate. I speak Romanian, Russian. In skype to Nikuloki.

That is so great. Don't worry we will understand. I will write to you a personal message

[Heisenburrg]

Indeed, incredible pictures!

[Visarion]

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Salut Nicu, intradevar incredibile desene. Daca ai nevoie de mai multe repere pentru viitoarele proiecte, aici am adunat o serie de imagini colectate din biserici si manastiri. Sper sa te ajute. A da si inca ceva, imaginile create de tine, desenele sunt liber de folosit? Multumesc anticipat, o zi buna iti doresc si ma faci mandru de originea mea cu o asemenea implicare. Mult succes in continuare si sper sa mai vedem si alte opere de arta, adevarate capodopere!

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...allachian-Gear

[Nikuloki]

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Buna! Desenele mele se pot folosi, excluzie comerciala si de dorit, daca e posibil, de indicat autorul. In afara de repere, eu folosesc si 3d modele. Cind e nui urgentsa le fac singur (blender sculpt), daca ma stringe timpul le string din M&B, apoi avind destul informatie desen.

[Ltd.]

Hey Niku.

Welcome to the twc forums. Glad you joined. Saw some of your drawings on pinterest already collected by Wallachian. They look great

Keep in mind that this is an english language forum and as such you need to write in english ( or at least also in english) .
You cannot edit your posts yet, until you made 25 posts.

@Visarion: you do know the rules

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@Niku. Bine ai venit. Sper sa faci parte din echipa noastra

[warman222]

Awesome pictures. Not only could we use you for unit cards, but maybe even for some other loading screen images featuring some of the other factions in this mod. Like use some of these intermixed with others for other factions.

[Visarion]

If Ltd. would decide to turn these wonderful creations into units these would be the best songs to present the Wallachian/Moldavian Corvinus/Dracula/Musat Crusader Alliance:

https://youtu.be/Bb9lgytKEMI

https://youtu.be/cU2cW6DzJj4

https://youtu.be/uv_2x6JmuaE