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    If that is true it's kind of funny that the US is working with Saudis to overthrow an evil dictator.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Diocle View Post
    the Israeli guy is in a pretty dangerous situation
    In real life, Israelis don't actually have three names like that, especially not those with a Mizrahi surname. Not that it isn't far-fetched enough that they would send a Jewish adviser to help Islamists, but then again, Fares Shehabi's Facebook page seems pretty credible.
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    You don't seem to be familiar with how the burden of proof works in when discussing social justice. It's not like science where it lies on the one making the claim. If someone claims to be oppressed, they don't have to prove it.


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    Russia propaganda. It's only appeared on Russian 'news' sites and originated from an Assad mouthpiece on facebook, based in Damascus.

    Stop posting illogical garbage that wouldnt even make sense in a dime store novel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrmouth View Post
    Russia propaganda. It's only appeared on Russian 'news' sites and originated from an Assad mouthpiece on facebook, based in Damascus.

    Stop posting illogical garbage that wouldnt even make sense in a dime store novel.
    To be fair, the comment everybody seemed to miss in the spoiler:

    Quote Originally Posted by Anna_Gein View Post
    In case you are confused or angered by the US action keep calm and know it is all BS. David Shlomo Aram, the Israeli military advisor for JFS lol.
    Quote Originally Posted by Enros View Post
    You don't seem to be familiar with how the burden of proof works in when discussing social justice. It's not like science where it lies on the one making the claim. If someone claims to be oppressed, they don't have to prove it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Heathen Hammer View Post
    Lol those "millions" aren't "running from Assad", they are running towards EU countries with welfare.
    Turkey and Lebanon are EU countries now? Interesting...
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    When wars happen people try and get out of the blast zone.

    I had a really good friend from Syria that left purely because it was better elsewhere. Also people aren't eager to get conscripted to fight against foes like Al-Qaeda or ISIS, can't imagine why many people would do anything to avoid having to fight people who behead you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Costin_Razvan View Post
    When wars happen people try and get out of the blast zone.

    I had a really good friend from Syria that left purely because it was better elsewhere. Also people aren't eager to get conscripted to fight against foes like Al-Qaeda or ISIS, can't imagine why many people would do anything to avoid having to fight people who behead you.
    Thats simply the truth.

    Right now the evacuation in East-Aleppo is about to fail again, because Al-Nusra burned 6 evacuation buses which rolled in to rescue wounded people from the Shia enclaves in Idlib.

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    Meanwhile sdf captures more villages west of Raqqa, trying to isolate it and secure lake Assad/Eufrates coast against any Turkish aggression.

    Now with Aleppo finished and when Isis is gone in Raqqa, the real conflict will come between Turkey and Sdf and Assadists.

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    I doubt Assad can start a conflict there, as long as there are Turkish soldiers around. But thats assuming rebels under Turkish control strictly stay away from Assad. He will whine but he cant start a full scale war with Turkey. His next aim is Palmyra. Then other pockets of rebel strongholds, then probably eastward towards Raqqa or Idlib.

    Euphrates shield will probably stay passive at least for a while after Al Bab and surroundings are taken.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Setekh View Post
    Turkey and Lebanon are EU countries now? Interesting...
    So all the ones who came to Europe and North America just got lost and got there by accident?

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    Euphrates shield will probably stay passive at least for a while after Al Bab and surroundings are taken.
    Assuming Al-Bab falls any time soon.
    "It's bizarre though. Donald Trump, an ageing, orange skinned reality TV star with a history of selling steaks and conning people, a trophy wife and one of the most fragile egos I've seen pretty much just destroyed the head of the interventionist faction in the US State apparatus, Victoria Nuland, after literally becoming President of the United states. We must live in one of the more interesting timelines."

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    In the name of God

    Another difference between the government and the so called " Rebels " . The government is willing to make truce or give a safe path to the terrorists to leave besieged areas . However , The terrorists not only don't give the besieged or surrendered people a chance but also break their own agreements in daylight .

    The buses heading towards Fu'ah and Kafraya to evacuate the wounded and elderly civilians were blocked and burned in Idlib . Only 5 bus have made it to the two besieged cities and they were ordered to remain there due to the threats .

    Has anyone seen this in the western media ?

    Where is that Samantha Power to cry for the civilians ?





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    It is kind of funny how you accuse the rebels to violate the agreement and affirm your leader should have violated it first. Be happy your fellow comrade on the field did violated the agreement first.
    A deal between Russia and Turkey that even the government in Syria wasn't aware of ?

    Everyone knows that Russians don't care about 30 000 civilians besieged in Fu'ah and Kafraya and the west keeps ignoring them . It was a great opportunity to rescue thousands of people from the heart of Takfiri groups because no one knows what atrocities they can do to these oppressed people who are neglected by the whole world because of being pro government .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mithridates II the Great View Post
    Has anyone seen this in the western media ?
    Yes. Its the main story on BBC news , and our local newspapers are bringing out this story as well. As does the Guardian , the Independent , die Zeit , ... No conspiracies here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mithridates II the Great View Post
    In the name of God

    Another difference between the government and the so called " Rebels " . The government is willing to make truce or give a safe path to the terrorists to leave besieged areas . However , The terrorists not only don't give the besieged or surrendered people a chance but also break their own agreements in daylight .

    The buses heading towards Fu'ah and Kafraya to evacuate the wounded and elderly civilians were blocked and burned in Idlib . Only 5 bus have made it to the two besieged cities and they were ordered to remain there due to the threats .

    Has anyone seen this in the western media ?

    Where is that Samantha Power to cry for the civilians ?







    A deal between Russia and Turkey that even the government in Syria wasn't aware of ?

    Everyone knows that Russians don't care about 30 000 civilians besieged in Fu'ah and Kafraya and the west keeps ignoring them . It was a great opportunity to rescue thousands of people from the heart of Takfiri groups because no one knows what atrocities they can do to these oppressed people who are neglected by the whole world because of being pro government .
    Those barbarians even executed the bus drivers! And yet people think Syria needs to include this kind of barbarians in a so called transition team!
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaMuerte View Post
    Yes. Its the main story on BBC news , and our local newspapers are bringing out this story as well. As does the Guardian , the Independent , die Zeit , ... No conspiracies here.
    Yeah, right.. It was portrayed like the perpetrators were unknown here in Norway's main newspaper, VG. Just "ceasefire agreement broken, buses burnt".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heathen Hammer View Post
    So all the ones who came to Europe and North America just got lost and got there by accident?
    How does that allow you to ignore millions of refugees in Turkey and Lebanon alone as if the entire group went for Europe for welfare? You're trying to distort reality here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Setekh View Post
    How does that allow you to ignore millions of refugees in Turkey and Lebanon alone as if the entire group went for Europe for welfare? You're trying to distort reality here.
    They are running away from war. That's rather normal I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Setekh View Post
    How does that allow you to ignore millions of refugees in Turkey and Lebanon alone as if the entire group went for Europe for welfare? You're trying to distort reality here.
    Let's be honest, the average Syrian refugee in Turkey/Lebanon would love to apply for asylum in the EU. Not that anyone can blame them, but it just goes without saying.

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    I check the Syria Live Map pretty much every day and I was wondering something... Since Turkey started to take over a larger area of land in Syria news points of people going back to retaken towns started to appear. However, I have never seen any such news points about the lands that SDF controls at the moment. They control quite a large piece of land, probably the most coherent and safe one. Why don't we see Syrians going back to SDF controlled towns in northern Syria?
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    Sdf advances quickly. 57 villages captured just yesterday.

    Do we know civilians don't return to town in sdf based on an impression from a map?

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