what makes man religious

[basics]

What is it that makes man religious even to the point of killing others who don't agree with him?

[Himster]

If a man is foolish enough to be religious, then he's certainly more than foolish enough to commit extreme acts of violence and savagery.
Obedience seems to be the primary culprit behind religiosity: a man becomes religious because he's instructed to do so, by his elders, his community, the voices in his head (derived from his culture and childhood) and finds appeal in opposition to the traits carried by the rival tribe/group. Particularly that last motivation contributes greatly to the correlation between religion and violence: meaning religion is inter-changeable with any other trait and still offer the same result, tribalism is tribalism with or without religion.

[hellheaven1987]

What is it that makes man religious even to the point of killing others who don't agree with him?

Same way that makes a socialist.

[Inhuman One]

Probably the same reasons that compells some people to be submissive in a BDSM relationship.

They want to be told what to do.

[DaniCatBurger]

I think it is a misunderstanding. The misunderstanding is showing up when we come to the wrong conclusion that the ethical is-ought-problem ceases to exist when an identity has been claimed. There is no relief from trying to be a good human being or to choose the right ethical targets and to allow a free mind to walk towards them. It's a practical problem and the reasons behind are categorical.

[basics]

If a man is foolish enough to be religious, then he's certainly more than foolish enough to commit extreme acts of violence and savagery.
Obedience seems to be the primary culprit behind religiosity: a man becomes religious because he's instructed to do so, by his elders, his community, the voices in his head (derived from his culture and childhood) and finds appeal in opposition to the traits carried by the rival tribe/group. Particularly that last motivation contributes greatly to the correlation between religion and violence: meaning religion is inter-changeable with any other trait and still offer the same result, tribalism is tribalism with or without religion.

Himster,

Are you implying that there is a direct corrolation between violence, savagery and religion or that these things are a natural instinct that man has outside of that box?

[Himster]

Himster,

Are you implying that there is a direct corrolation between violence, savagery and religion or that these things are a natural instinct that man has outside of that box?

Yeah, violence and savagery exist with and without religion: but religion doesn't help. One could very easily argue that religion causes an additional layer of tribalism creating even more divisions than would be there otherwise.

[chriscase]

Are we to infer an argument in the OP, that religious impulse is evidence of the existence of God?

[basics]

Are we to infer an argument in the OP, that religious impulse is evidence of the existence of God?

chriscase,

Well if we talk of religion we assume to be talking of something that could be of a god but not necessarily so. For example people religiously get up at a certain time, go to bed at a certain time or brush their teeth at a certain time wether they believe that there is a God or not.

[chriscase]

Killing people over what time to brush teeth? So this thread is really about OCD?

[Diocle]

What is it that makes man religious even to the point of killing others who don't agree with him?

In my humble opinion it's the feeling of mystery.

I mean the perception of the large unknown and unknowable portions of mystery in our life's experience.

[hellheaven1987]

There thread is about why ideological fanatics (not necessary about religion, you get democratic fanatics that believe to PROMOTE democracy by whatever means) like to get angry when people point out their flaws.

In my humble opinion it's the feeling of mystery.

I mean the perception of the large unknown and unknowable portions of mystery in our life's experience.

That does not explain why Communist/Socialist share same type of behavior with religious fanatics though.

[Inhuman One]

In a way it actually is, people are killed because the killers don't agree with something their victims are doing. For the most part. And then there's those who follow orders, usually to some personal limit they wont step behind, and straight up sadists who'd kill for fun.

To me what time you brush your teeth is as relevant to my life as if you'd want to wear a pretty pink dress, smoke weed, go to church or marry someone of your own gender.

Someone wanting to kill you because you are attracted to your own gender is just as stupid to me as someone wanting to kill you for brushing your teeth at the wrong time.

[basics]

Killing people over what time to brush teeth? So this thread is really about OCD?

chriscase,

Don't understand what you are getting at nor what OCD means? The main question was what makes man religious and since no-one needs to be religious to kill I guess that raises another question of why man does kill or has the propensity to do so?

[chriscase]

Not necessarily. Once we establish that something like religiosity is endemic to the human condition, that premise can be (and often is) used as evidence of the hand of a Creator. If that's where we are heading I'd prefer to just get to it.

[DaniCatBurger]

Your question could refer to something else, also. It could serve as an argument to vitiis nemo sine nascitur (nobody is born free of vices).

It could then be about categories, accidence and necessity in respect to practical concepts instead to metaphysics.

I am aware of the problem coming with the formulation done that way.

Himsters critical hint on the role obedience can play would go into said direction. What are the rules the obedience is relating to?

[chriscase]

If it's motivated by internal needs for regularity that do not reflect external conditions then it almost does not matter what the rules are, merely that they satisfy a fantasy of control. That would be the OCD I believe.

[DaniCatBurger]

Mmmh, I have thought more about Kantian maxims of acts (like in Religion Within which is laying on my table). Sure, you can consider it in a medical perspective, too. This is interesting. We would assume different situations laying the debate to ground. I guess, you agree that an anamnesis would be different from an exchange of arguments in respect to the purpose or maybe it wouldn't be in case of a (theoretical) anamnesis. Hard to say. It's not a field where I could add anything useful. I look forward into which direction the debate is developping. It seems we are all a bit victims of our "professions" or "passions" possibly.

[fkizz]

To be fair OP, there are plenty of things to drive people to kill others, even if they are in agreement in ideology and religion. It's "there".

Homicide is still a problem police has to deal with for a reason.

[Himster]

Homicide is still a problem police has to deal with for a reason.

Star Trek fans and Star Wars fans. That's what the next jihad/crusade will be about. Mark my words. Mark them.