A socialist Jew is now considered a King of Poland

[Roma_Victrix]

Officially: Jesus Christ, the "King of Polish". President, Members and 6 thousand people took part in the ceremony

Original article in Polish: http://wiadomosci.gazeta.pl/wiadomos...tosc-trwa.html

This is outrageous! How did the Poles let this happen? Honestly, a long-haired, sandal-wearing, socialist hippie Jew as king of Poland?



Seriously, though, why do modern-day countries do this sort of silly stuff? Such an odd move, one that obviously panders to a certain segment of the Christian community. I can't think of any other nation that has posthumously made Jesus of Nazareth an official historical monarch. How was this even considered a priority given the various social and economic challenges facing Poland at the moment? Also, isn't it a bit blasphemous to put Jesus in a secular, political role, especially that of a monarch, when he (allegedly) told his disciples to do no such thing? As related in the New Testament, Jesus said "My kingdom is not of this world." Seems pretty clear cut to me.

[Pathfinder]

Christ visited England and wrote the US Constitution too. Totally. Pretty silly indeed - but everyone wants a piece of the big guy to justify that their country is the best.

[Prodromos]

Every country needs its symbols. And judging by the utterly destructive effects of nihilism on Western European society, Jesus seems like a good choice. But of course this could be just a PR thing, to appeal to a certain segment of the population.

[hellheaven1987]

This is blasphemy; how dare those Polish only give a petty title "King" instead something like "Overlord" or "Emperor" to our great lord, call in the SPANISH INQUISITION NOW!!!

[Diocle]

In the New Testament Jesus is called .. King of kings (βασιλεύς βασιλέων, basileus basilèon) for a total of 35 times, especially in the stories of passion ..

So, being King of Kings, and having the modern Republics inherited their Legitimacy from the kings,


we can safely state that Jesus is not only King of the Polish but actually He's also King of any country of the world.

Accept this truth and "Penitentiagite" (vulg. Latin for "Poenitentia agite", En.: "Repent") blasphemers and unbelievers! Amen.

[bigdaddy1204]

Seriously, though, why do modern-day countries do this sort of silly stuff? Such an odd move, one that obviously panders to a certain segment of the Christian community. I can't think of any other nation that has posthumously made Jesus of Nazareth an official historical monarch. How was this even considered a priority given the various social and economic challenges facing Poland at the moment? Also, isn't it a bit blasphemous to put Jesus in a secular, political role, especially that of a monarch, when he (allegedly) told his disciples to do no such thing? As related in the New Testament, Jesus said "My kingdom is not of this world." Seems pretty clear cut to me.

Actually, interesting historical note but it has been argued in the book Zealot: the Life and Times of Jesus of Nazareth that the sentence "My kingdom is not of this world" is simply words put into the mouth of Jesus by much later Christian writers, up to 150 years after his death, and it was done as a result of the failed Jewish uprising and the Roman destruction of Jerusalem and deportation of the population, which had left Jewish nationalism discredited, and thus the writer of the gospel of John (the last of the gospels and the one most distant from Jesus' lifetime) wanted to distance Jesus from 'earthly' revolutionary activity and re-brand him as a more ethereal, spiritual figure.

Anyway that was a minor historical aside - in general I agree with your post. It's ridiculous making him the head of state. It does in theory open up some interesting possibilities though - including theocratic rule in Poland. The way this could be done is quite similar to what happened in Iran, where the 12th imam was declared as the ruler. Since the 12th imam went into hiding a thousand years ago, in his absence this allowed the doctrine of waliyat e faqih to evolve 'Government of the Jurist' - i.e. since the imam isn't here, we'll appoint someone to act in his role (until he comes back). This is the position that was created by Ruhollah Khomeini, the Supreme Leader.

The relevance of this to Jesus and Poland is that if some similar theological argument about the messiah could be made, it could in theory be possible to appoint someone as Christ's representative on earth, in a direct government position - a "Supreme Leader" of Poland, if you will. Probably a bit of a long shot at the moment as 21st century Poland is not emerging from a period of oppressive Shah-based rule, but the possibility is theoretically there.

[SorelusImperion]

21st century Poland is not emerging from a period of oppressive Shah-based rule

Quite the opposite in fact.

[Himster]

Quite the opposite in fact.

It's entering a period of oppressive Shah-based rule? Oh, take that Poland: Burn.

[fkizz]

Well they just nominated a figure for King that gives them additional votes, without becoming a Monarchy, and said figure won't materialize bothering them in the parliament. It's a PR move.

[Iskar]

Well, it would be a priceless sight if the Parousia actually happened in the Sejm with their newly appointed king telling them off for misusing him in a PR stunt.

[fkizz]

Well, it would be a priceless sight if the Parousia actually happened in the Sejm with their newly appointed king telling them off for misusing him in a PR stunt.

That would be priceless indeed

[Col. Tartleton]

I'm more concerned that Poland's newly appointed head of state has been dead for 1,980 years.

[Diocle]

I'm more concerned that Poland's newly appointed head of state has been dead for 1,980 years.

Don't be concerned buddy: He is resurrected just after three days! .. and He's now more powerful than ever!

[tmodelsk]

Officially: Jesus Christ, the "King of Polish". President, Members and 6 thousand people took part in the ceremony
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This is outrageous! How did the Poles let this happen? Honestly, a long-haired, sandal-wearing, socialist hippie Jew as king of Poland?
.......
Seriously, though, why do modern-day countries do this sort of silly stuff? Such an odd move, one that obviously panders to a certain segment of the Christian community. I can't think of any other nation that has posthumously made Jesus of Nazareth an official historical monarch. How was this even considered a priority given the various social and economic challenges facing Poland at the moment? Also, isn't it a bit blasphemous to put Jesus in a secular, political role, especially that of a monarch, when he (allegedly) told his disciples to do no such thing? As related in the New Testament, Jesus said "My kingdom is not of this world." Seems pretty clear cut to me.

I'm Polish & I'm believing Catholic.
The concept about Jesus Christ being 'The King' - not only in personal life - but on social, political level is compatible with Catholic Theology, it's based on Catholic Theology.
See Pope Pius XI encyclical Quas Primas .
It's Catholic Magisterium .
Also see above Diocle posts -> it's also compatible with Scripture.

For me personally -> it's important, I see & understand importance of such act.
I understand = there are reasons for such act based on Catholic Faith level, but also based on common sense & logic level.

@Roma_Victrix -> Your first post was offensive & derisive for me. And for Jesus Christ. But life goes on.

I think, it's my personal opinion that I'm unable to explain it here to you -> why such act is good & important.
For me as Catholic & many Catholics around the world -> the reasons are obvious.
For most of the non-Catholic people -> it's the reason to laugh & write similar comments as first post.
You need to be belief in God with Catholic Faith -> and than it's obvious.
It's my personal opinion.

@Roma_Victrix & others -> if you are truly interested to understand it, importance of it, my suggestion is to start learning Catholic Faith.
But True Catholic Faith, not those 'washings' presented nowadays by secularized clergy & Francis team.
And the next step will be as Diocle wrote ->

Accept this truth and "Penitentiagite" (vulg. Latin for "Poenitentia agite", En.: "Repent") blasphemers and unbelievers! Amen.

I hope & didn't offended anybody. But Truth is simple Truth.

[Roma_Victrix]

I'm Polish & I'm believing Catholic.
The concept about Jesus Christ being 'The King' - not only in personal life - but on social, political level is compatible with Catholic Theology, it's based on Catholic Theology.
See Pope Pius XI encyclical Quas Primas .
It's Catholic Magisterium .
Also see above Diocle posts -> it's also compatible with Scripture.

If it's so compatible with scripture, then why haven't all other Catholic majority countries followed suit long ago?

For me personally -> it's important, I see & understand importance of such act.
I understand = there are reasons for such act based on Catholic Faith level, but also based on common sense & logic level.

I fail to see how this is common sense. Jesus was not a secular monarch, although the Romans allegedly mocked him as such by labeling him "king of the Jews" before forcing him to wear the crown of thorns. Also, Jesus wasn't Polish and has no bloodline shared with the Polish monarchy. Case dismissed!

@Roma_Victrix -> Your first post was offensive & derisive for me. And for Jesus Christ. But life goes on.

Aw! Did I hurt your feeeeeeeeeelings? Not sure why. What's wrong with being a socialist hippie Jew? Hmm?

I mean, the guy was a Jew who had long hair, wore sandals and a robe, led a commune, chased money lenders out of the temple, and demonized rich people by saying it was easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than a wealthy man to enter the kingdom of heaven.

I think, it's my personal opinion that I'm unable to explain it here to you -> why such act is good & important.
For me as Catholic & many Catholics around the world -> the reasons are obvious.
For most of the non-Catholic people -> it's the reason to laugh & write similar comments as first post.
You need to be belief in God with Catholic Faith -> and than it's obvious.
It's my personal opinion.
@Roma_Victrix & others -> if you are truly interested to understand it, importance of it, my suggestion is to start learning Catholic Faith.

Dude. Seriously. I was born, baptized, and raised a Catholic. As a medievalist I sometimes even read Deuteronomic literature. I'm well aware about what Catholicism is about.

But True Catholic Faith, not those 'washings' presented nowadays by secularized clergy & Francis team.
And the next step will be as Diocle wrote ->

What? You're Catholic and yet you do not follow...the Pope?

This thread just got interesting.

[Diocle]

In Italy people is Catholic, they go en masse to mass every Sunday, they take the sacraments, they respect the Pope but .. a lot of people respectfully says he's a ****bag! Catholic people is more crazy, more open minded and more self contradictory than you can think, living among heretics! This is why the Roman Church is still there, alive and kicking, while the European Protestant churches are almost transparent in in terms of social presence in the European society (transparent: euphemism for "vanished, vaporized, kaputt, close for ideological bankrupt"!).

Of course the Polish decision is symbolic, Polish have stated that Jesus Christ is a fundamental part of their national identity, I'm not surprised, I'm not scandalized, I'm not shocked! All in all, without them, the Polish people I mean, today in Wien there would be mosques in place of churches, and without Polish Catholic gentlemen like Karol Józef Wojtyła, Lech Wałęsa, Jerzy Popiełuszko and all those wonderful guys of Solidarność, I don't know if the Fall of URSS would have been so fast and possibly world history would be slightly different today.

So, if they want Jesus as their King, they are right, at least Jesus is a good and peaceful symbol for a national community, all in all He was a victim, not a carnifex.

[Roma_Victrix]

The Poles definitely proved their Christian bonafides when they lifted the siege of Vienna and kicked the Ottomans out of Central Europe. I guess you're persuading me a bit, Diocle, but I still think it's just a bunch of silly theatrics, kabuki theater, and cheap pandering to the most hardcore Catholics amid the electorate and voting public. Something doesn't sit right with me when people go out of their way to act overly zealous and pious. Those are usually the people who are compensating for something or worse, hiding something.

You know how the ole Shakespeare adage goes: "The lady doth protest too much, methinks."

[bigdaddy1204]

It would have been much better if Vienna had fallen to the Ottomans. The light of Islamic civilisation might have saved Europe from the barbarism and darkness it has inflicted on the world ever since. By preventing the liberation of Europe and its incorporation into the global ummah, the soldiers of Poland were unwittingly on the wrong side of history. A glorious Muslim conquest of Europe would have brought peace, prosperity and enlightened rule to the continent. If there were Mosques instead of Churches in Vienna, that would be a good thing. The sound of the church bells would have been replaced by the cry "Allahu akbar!"

Sounds good to me.

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I am of course using sarcasm. Truth is way more complex than that. But I wanted to poke fun at the notion that Europe becoming Muslim would automatically be a "bad" thing - why should it? I don't share that assumption. I think it's nothing but self-congratulatory nationalistic claptrap. Things might just as likely have been better had the Muslims won.

[Cyclops]

People who genuinely want Jesus to be king are anti-democratic, and wish to establish a theocracy. I deplore theocracy, the government of Iran is a pretty bad one and the heavy religious influence in many Arab countries is baleful to say the least. Overly religious governments like Calvin's, Isabella and Ferdinand's, Cromwell's and the Anabaptists tend to insane cruelty.

People who symbolically want Jesus to be king are engaging in empty rhetoric which at best distracts from genuine imitation of Christ (a noble Christian goal IMHO) although it might help some dullards focus their weak minds on a religious example. "Jesus is King now? I better pay more attention".

For a modern European state to pull a stunt like this suggests they are reinforcing a national identity in preparation for conflict: I imagine this is a signal Poland expects war with Russia soon. Or they have lost control of their political narrative and are flailing for meaning in a post truth world.

The Poles definitely proved their Christian bonafides when they lifted the siege of Vienna and kicked the Ottomans out of Central Europe...

Yeah like the bit in Luke where Jesus leads the charge of the Jewish Winged Hussars! "Stab one another as I have stabbed you!", bloody Judas using his liberum veto to prevent the Israelic Commonwealth from forming.

It would have been much better if Vienna had fallen to the Ottomans. ...

Perhaps the interpretation of the Koran would now be taught in the schools of Oxford, and her pulpits might demonstrate to a circumcised people the sanctity and truth of the revelation of Mahomet.

Hey wasn't Suleiman's favourite queen a Pole? So a (born Christian) Polish monarchist was crowned Queen of Jerusalem, there's a certain symmetry here.

[bigdaddy1204]

Perhaps the interpretation of the Koran would now be taught in the schools of Oxford, and her pulpits might demonstrate to a circumcised people the sanctity and truth of the revelation of Mahomet.

I believe you forgot to attribute these words to Edward Gibbon...

Hey wasn't Suleiman's favourite queen a Pole? So a (born Christian) Polish monarchist was crowned Queen of Jerusalem, there's a certain symmetry here.

Her name was Roxelana. Suleiman's love for her was legendary. Under his pen name, Muhibbi, Sultan Suleiman composed this poem for Roxelana:

"Throne of my lonely niche, my wealth, my love, my moonlight.
My most sincere friend, my confidant, my very existence, my Sultan, my one and only love.
The most beautiful among the beautiful...
My springtime, my merry faced love, my daytime, my sweetheart, laughing leaf...
My plants, my sweet, my rose, the one only who does not distress me in this world...
My Istanbul, my Caraman, the earth of my Anatolia
My Badakhshan, my Baghdad and Khorasan
My woman of the beautiful hair, my love of the slanted brow, my love of eyes full of mischief...
I'll sing your praises always
I, lover of the tormented heart, Muhibbi of the eyes full of tears, I am happy."