The mass murder of minorities by Republicans has already begun

[Knight of Heaven]

You still don't understand. Dr. Legend said that white men, as well as heterosexual men, are a minority. Which is a fact, both in the US and globally. Your answer actually implies that you think both of them are a majority world wide, which is a mind-bogglingly insane thing to say.

First we were talking about the US. Not globaly. The wiki articles were about US.

Half of those 62% are women. This isn't about women.

No it was about white People. Women and Men.

You folks are trying to sell that gay people are a majority in US, and white people are the minority.

It is absurd.

While this may or may not be true, the term "minorities" grinds my gears. Heterosexual or white males are minorities. Just saying. Maybe other minorities should imitate them instead of whining endlessly.

OR not And.

So it isnt about heterosexual white males, wich i doubt you can find statistics that would say Heterosexual white males, in the US, are a minority....

Given white people are the majority in the US to begin with.


Legend might be refering World wide, alltough it is hard to find the point in that, in the first place.

Also Given the thread topic.
Even so, world wide, obviously white people are not the majority, much less white males.... but how can you even assume heterosexuals are not the majority?
It is ridiculous to me.

[sumskilz]

What a silly argument. Using gender and other variables added everyone in the world is a minority. Its really pointless to argue about it because the original point is meaningless.

It is silly, but it is just responding to the same silliness made from the identity politics perspective. The point of referring to identity groups as minorities is to suggest that they are politically weak. To claim that 30% of the population in a democracy are somehow majority oppressors is absurd, that's why claims about internalized oppression had to be invented because the line of BS was wearing thin.

No it was about white People.

I guess the only way to explain the incoherence of your posts at this point is to recognize that you have in fact been having your own conversation distinct from everyone else in the thread.

wich i doubt you can find statistics that would say Heterosexual white males, in the US, are a minority....

Lol, we already did and so did you. Joking aside, I have assumed thus far that you really do know that not all white people are heterosexual males, but now I am starting to wonder what else could possibly explain the confusion.

[athanaric]

No it was about white People. Women and Men.

No, it wasn't.

You folks are trying to sell that gay people are a majority in US, and white people are the minority.

No, we aren't.

OR not And.

So it isnt about heterosexual white males, wich i doubt you can find statistics that would say Heterosexual white males, in the US, are a minority....

Given white people are the majority in the US to begin with.

OMG. The sentence is literally in front of you, and you fail to decipher it. Let's try again: the full version of this sentence should read "heterosexual males or white males are minorities". Only the first "males" is left out to produce a more natural sounding sentence and eliminate redundant elements. This is possible because "heterosexual" is in the singular mode, which is a big hint that in this sentence, it's an adjective, not a noun.
Basic. ing. English.

[Knight of Heaven]

´I guess the only way to explain the incoherence of your posts at this point is to recognize that you have in fact been having your own conversation distinct from everyone else in the thread.

Realy then why did you brought the 62% for?

No, it wasn't.

Responded to sumskilz post yes it was.

legend post was just pointless.

Lol, we already did and so did you. Joking aside, I have assumed thus far that you really do know that not all white people are heterosexual males, but now I am starting to wonder what else could possibly explain the confusion.

Show me that heterosexual white males in the US are a minority, as you claim. So far you could only prove to me, that Non hispanic whites in the US, still constitute a majority.
Not males, Not gays. Only whites. That is the information you put forward.

[Abdülmecid I]

Knight of Heaven, I sincerely don't understand your confusion. Your post doubting Dr. Legend's claim was clearly mentioning white males and not whites, in general. You even bolded the relevant part. I don't even understand, from a perspective believing in the supposed white-male domination in society, why white-males being a minority in the overall population is against their narrative. If white-males were the majority, then there wouldn't be a problem if they were also the predominant group in economy or politics.
Anyway, to return to your disagreement, sumskilz sourced the percentage of the overall white population in the US, including both females and males (62%), from which he logically deduced that white-males (heterosexual or not) compose slightly less than one third of the American population, being given that humanity is usually evenly separated between girls and boys.

On a more general note, the obsession with identity politics of a certain part of the American left is indeed a bit disorientating and ironically not particularly leftist, managing to rather effectively obfuscate the real issues. Although there's still definitely discrimination against non-white males, especially in the more rural regions of the country, the discrepancy between population numbers and economic or political power is more explained by historical reasons and the distribution of wealth among the American society, due to the position of the white-male population being much more privileged in the past and actively encouraged and protected by the authorities. Still, even back then, claiming that every white-male lived better than every black or woman would be insultingly inaccurate and not at all socialist. In fact, I would say ideologically closer to racism.

Of course, that doesn't mean that we shouldn't campaign for their rights, but a bit of moderation wouldn't harm, despite the far-right repeatedly, unnecessarily and arbitrarily generalising, by representing every feminist or pro-LGBT group as a paranoid mob of masochists.

[Harith]

On a more general note, the obsession with identity politics of a certain part of the American left is indeed a bit disorientating and ironically not particularly leftist, managing to rather effectively obfuscate the real issues.

It seems to be inherent to the US political system. Every constituency is fighting to maintain supermacy (one way or another) while ignoring issues that they have in common. I'm not sure if it has anything to with the Liberal consensus or if it's a mere symptom. However, I would certainly much rather having discussions about policies, situations, and problems. It seems that with every passing election we talk more and more about systemic injustices, yet no real action is being taken to rectify it (investment, standardization, outreach programs, comprehensive plans, etc).