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    Default Question about modern greek pronounciation

    Sorry, not exactly about history, but I figure people interested in history might know the answer.

    Right. I'm not going to actually write with greek letters, but I hope you understand the transliteration.

    I know that the ancient diphtongs ai and oi becomes flat e and i respectively. for example, Toxotai is pronounced Toxote, and athanatoi is athanati in modern greek.

    diphtong ei also becomes i. But I wonder, what happens in words like Kyrenaioi or Athenaioi? following the sound change rules, it should become kirinei and athinei respectively. aioi has now become ei. My question is, does this ei further simplify to just i? Or are the sounds pronounced separately? or is it a diphtong?

    How is Kyrinaioi pronounced in modern greek? Is it kee-ree-neh-ee (without a diphtong)? Is it kee-ree-nee (ei made into i)? Or is it kee-ree-nay (with diphtong)?

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    To be able to tell the exact spelling, you'd have to look at the word written in Greek. The diphthongs are spelled differently depending on the place of the accent (tonos).

    For example:

    αι - spelled as "e" (epsilon)
    αί - spelled as "e" (epsilon)
    άι - spelled as "ai"
    αϊ - spelled as "ai"

    Edit:
    So, if wikipedia's Κυρηναϊκή (Kyrenaike) and Ἀθῆναι (Athenai) are accurate, I think the modern spelling of Kyrenaioi and Athenaioi would be Kirinaii and Athinei. Note that I'm not a fluent speaker of Greek, so not 100% certain that these are accurate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Charerg View Post
    To be able to tell the exact spelling, you'd have to look at the word written in Greek. The diphthongs are spelled differently depending on the place of the accent (tonos).

    For example:

    αι - spelled as "e" (epsilon)
    αί - spelled as "e" (epsilon)
    άι - spelled as "ai"
    αϊ - spelled as "ai"

    Edit:
    So, if wikipedia's Κυρηναϊκή (Kyrenaike) and Ἀθῆναι (Athenai) are accurate, I think the modern spelling of Kyrenaioi and Athenaioi would be Kirinaii and Athinei. Note that I'm not a fluent speaker of Greek, so not 100% certain that these are accurate.
    Yes, i missed that there are accent marks that change the pronounciation in the word kyrenaioi. My question was just with -aioi in general, without any accent marks. So kyrenaioi was a bad example for me to use.

    But yes, I actually asked a greek on another site how she would pronounce it, and she said that -aioi would become -ei. That is, both sounds are pronounced seperately, no diphthong. it is most likely as you say.

    thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charerg View Post
    To be able to tell the exact spelling, you'd have to look at the word written in Greek. The diphthongs are spelled differently depending on the place of the accent (tonos).

    For example:

    αι - spelled as "e" (epsilon)
    αί - spelled as "e" (epsilon)
    άι - spelled as "ai"
    αϊ - spelled as "ai"

    Edit:
    So, if wikipedia's Κυρηναϊκή (Kyrenaike) and Ἀθῆναι (Athenai) are accurate, I think the modern spelling of Kyrenaioi and Athenaioi would be Kirinaii and Athinei. Note that I'm not a fluent speaker of Greek, so not 100% certain that these are accurate.
    Correct

    It is good that a significant part of the ancient language lives in the current version, despite changes. It is likely the best surviving thing in Greece tbh :/
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