Refugee/illegal migrant/asylum seeker crime crisis in Europe

[Ziltoid]

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...e-Eiffel-Tower

Latest case from today being this:

A TEENAGER in Paris has been found tied up and gagged after being gang raped by a group of illegal immigrants next to the Eiffel Tower.
The 19-year-old French girl was lured to the monument on the proviso of a 'date' set up through Facebook.
She responded to messages from who she thought was a 17-year-old Tunisian boy and initially met him close to her home in the Paris suburbs.
Last Sunday evening she turned up for another date where she expected to have a picnic with the boy at the Champs des Mars, the park where the Eiffel Tower is, and was attacked.

A source close to the case, said: “It was a warm night, and she expected to eat strawberries and grapes, and to drink Coke, but then the attack took place.”
The woman was dragged under a bush behind where a blanket had been laid out.
She was then assaulted by three men who then gagged, beat her up and tied her up.

The victim, who cannot be named for legal reasons, is said to have recently run away from her mother’s home in the Paris suburbs.
She was only found when a couple who were jogging early on Monday morning heard the victim making a muffled sobbing noise.
They raised the alarm after finding her in deep shock, naked and crying.

Police then used computer data to quickly trace the three men to a hotel in the 18th arrondissement of Paris.
They were caught there just before they tried to flee to Germany on Monday.
None of them had any official papers and all claimed they were 17 year olds from Tunisia and were seeking asylum.
However, early checks suggest they are likely to be a lot older and possibly from Algeria.

Some brief ideas on how id like to deal with this matter perhaps:

• We shouldn't allow people in without any IDs or background information just like that, huge amount of them also lie their age to get more favourable treatment and lack of criminal responsibility compared to adults.
• Setting up proper camps near the crisis areas, rather than having human smugglers profit 10k $ each from these people who come seeking their fortune and free money and apartment all the way up here in Nordic countries through many, many peaceful countries.
• Walls, walls and more walls! [/Trump mode] Okay maybe not, even though they are building now one in Calais. But sovereignty of nations and their borders should be respected, along with their right to control and regulate those borders, rather than let the hordes of refugees and fortune seekers and economical migrants lead the show and amount of people coming in.
• Europe shouldn't have to become World's Welfare Office for everyone who shows up and claims to being refugee. USA should take more responsibility over the mess it has been to big part creating in post 9/11 times in Middle East. Countries like mine (Finland) haven't done anything to be responsible about the situation.
• Mainstream media should stop censoring these crimes done by newcomers and their ethnic identity, as in age of internet it will spill anyway and just drive people towards even less reliable medias who don't have such agenda of covering this mess up. Finnish example being MV-Lehti that has low journalistic standards, is extremely biased and onesided, and generally considered as very low quality media, yet is still somewhat popular as it does the opposite of mainstream media in these matters and shows criminals ethnicity and exposes mainstream media censorship.
• Respect nation's own choice in if they want to take up suddenly these strangers in hundreds of thousands, rather than have Merkel or some other bigtime european politician decide and invite people over in millions.

Those are some crude hastily made up points so that there is at least certain basis for further conversation rather than just posting endless news reports of new crimes by these newcomers.



And before someone denies there is even such crisis in Europe, and there are only few singular events here and there, ill post some data on matter that's been circulating earlier by other posters in that other topic.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

[mishkin]

And before someone denies there is even such crisis in Europe, and there are only few singular events here and there, ill post some data on matter that's been circulating earlier by other posters in that other topic.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Some of us still do not speak German, so that was totally useless. Back up your speech with data that everyone can read, please.

Meanwhile, just say I've only heard of that "threat" or "crime crisis" to small groups of the extreme right.

[athanaric]

Some of us still do not speak German, so that was totally useless. Back up your speech with data that everyone can read, please.

So, you're saying you can't decipher flags?

Also, apart from the introductory text, all of the stats are bilingual or English.

[Knight of Heaven]

So, you're saying you can't decipher flags?

Also, apart from the introductory text, all of the stats are bilingual or English.

BS practicaly the whole graph is in German. And when we talking about this themes ,and numbers a proper context is important to have. Its not only a matter of Looking at flags, and see the pretty bars. People should understand what the data is about. Assuming it is accurate data in the first place.

[Mayer]

Practically the whole graph is lettered in english, only the context isn't translated.

[athanaric]

BS practicaly the whole graph is in German.

All of the graphs are bilingual or English. Only the introduction to the first set is exclusively in German, for whatever reason.

And when we talking about this themes ,and numbers a proper context is important to have. Its not only a matter of Looking at flags, and see the pretty bars. People should understand what the data is about. Assuming it is accurate data in the first place.

Well then get someone to translate this stuff for you. You can't ask for a source and then whine about not being able to read it upon finding out it's in a foreign language. That's why historians learn so many languages in the first place.

[Harith]

The graphic you posted seemed all too conveniently reaffirming your claim. So, as the skeptical scientist I am, I did a little experiment!

I did a reverse google search of the image and, lo and behold, the results are forums and dodgy sites to the say least. The one common denominator, however, is that they all had fascist tendencies from an openly anti-semitic posters to your average friendly and "politically incorrect" TWC poster.

Until you provide the source of the info graph, I'll give this 2/10 potatoes for the effort.

[Boyar Son]

Facts are in German, that nullifies everything!

[mishkin]

Dudes, could you try to submit less risible data? Less biased? (I am still laughing with the religion of peace thing).

[jockmcplop]

Facts are in German, that nullifies everything!

Wow.
Most of the violent events in that list of violent events perpetrated by muslims were perpetrated by muslims.
I take it all of the hundreds (if not thousands) of mass shootings in America during this time have been left out for a reason.

[Infidel144]

I take it all of the hundreds (if not thousands) of mass shootings in America during this time have been left out for a reason.

Can you provide the legal definition of 'mass shooting'?

[mishkin]

We are going off-topic in the firts page of the thread guys.

No better data to support the claim of the existance of that "crime crisis" yet?

[PointOfViewGun]

Facts are in German, that nullifies everything!

Only a fraction of those incidents listed there happened in Europe. It also neglects some of terrorism acts in Europe done by non-Muslims.

[athanaric]

I take it all of the hundreds (if not thousands) of mass shootings in America during this time have been left out for a reason.

"Thousands of mass shootings" lol. Are you sure you're talking about the US and not World War II?

We are going off-topic in the firts page of the thread guys.

No better data to support the claim of the existance of that "crime crisis" yet?

It's objective data. The graph posted by Boyar Son was probably his own commentary, the rest is Wikipedia. Is Wikipedia a "right-wing conspiracy" now?

[PointOfViewGun]

It's objective data. The graph posted by Boyar Son was probably his own commentary, the rest is Wikipedia. Is Wikipedia a "right-wing conspiracy" now?

What makes it objective? The fact that it's partial (big time if you think about it) or the fact that it can be edited by any random person?

[mishkin]

It's objective data. The graph posted by Boyar Son was probably his own commentary, the rest is Wikipedia. Is Wikipedia a "right-wing conspiracy" now?

I only see Boyar Son and Ziltoid's graphs. Which one is from wikipedia?
(By the way, when you post some "data" adding a link to the source is what is usually done).

[sumskilz]

I take it all of the hundreds (if not thousands) of mass shootings in America during this time have been left out for a reason.

By the most liberal definition (3 or more fatalities), it was 27 shootings total during that period (including those that were perpetrated by Muslims).

[mongrel]

By the most liberal definition (3 or more fatalities), it was 27 shootings total during that period (including those that were perpetrated by Muslims).

I dare say there must have been a fair amount of violence elsewhere apart from that perpetrated by Al Queda, ISIS and in the USA. The chart is designed by Islamophobes to be disseminated by people who like the message, no doubt resulting in some idiot somewhere actually beleiving it, perhaps to the extent of pushing a brown fellow under a train for good measure.



As for the OP, don't we already have a refugee thread? If its a sub-thread I get it but, there again I could, for example, do this:

Oh noes, those European rapists are at it again:

http://www.shropshirestar.com/news/c...investigation/

Look what Europeans are capable of:

http://www.historyplace.com/worldhis.../holocaust.htm

http://www.history.com/topics/bosnian-genocide

Vote Brexit.

See what I did? It is so easy to generate a racist /sectarian motif in a new thread , especially if one is not particualrly subtle or fussy about the company one keeps.

[pajomife]

People in Europe deserve it,they still voting in mainstream parties who don't solve the situation,in east Europa they simple don't receive migrants,in west we still seeing people talking in integration,building bridges and not walls and suffering the consequences of it.

[Ziltoid]

As for the OP, don't we already have a refugee thread? If its a sub-thread I get it but, there again I could, for example, do this:

You are free to start "European crime crisis by europeans" topic for all you want. Or "Positive refugee/illegal migrant/asylum seeker stories". Countering views are good for overall balance. And you could for example tell success stories of how some of the refugees have already gotten jobs too there. Like the 500 in Sweden or 54 in Germany's Top 30 companies.




I think swedish migrant riots, stonings and car burnings in majorly immigrant "no-go-zones" do fit in this topic, which were tad out of place in that refugee crisis topic, so might as well give latest updates from lastnight.

Molotov cocktails thrown at police in Örebro lastnight, by 30-50 immigrant youths who wrecked stuff also with golfbats. Police had to escape at first molotov cocktails and regroup, later coming back including police helicopter to patrol the area.

http://unvis.it/na.se/nyheter/orebro...ls-mot-polisen
https://translate.google.fi/translat...-text=&act=url

Also riots in Malmö lastnight with dozens of cars burned and bomb squad had to be called on scene in case it would have gotten more out of hand.

https://polisen.se/Aktuellt/Handelse...0-Brand-Malmo/



This last story is most insignificant, but also weirdest. 2 year old child fell out of window and got hurt in Uddevalla yesterday, ambulance got called to take child to hospital. That's when local immigrant youth saw again opportunity to "resist swedish authorities" and started stoning the scene and ambulance crew trying to save that 2 year old child.

http://unvis.it/expressen.se/gt/tvaa...edje-vaningen/
https://translate.google.fi/translat...-text=&act=url

This is swedish everyday reality nowdays, these things happening nearly every night now across the country. Along with massive spread of taharrush gamea (sexual abuse and grabbing of young females by older immigrant background people) on all sorts of festivals with young girls, which there have been many this year. Most well known We Are Sthlm i already covered in other topic but that is just tip of the iceberg and most visible one. Smaller ones suffer from the same just as much.

http://www.smt.se/article/manga-sexu...r-stadsfesten/
https://translate.google.fi/translat...stadsfesten%2F

In Finland, city of Forssa, similar taharush gamea on local festival 2 months ago lead to circle of violence between local underage youth and adult immigrants. Which culminated to around 80 immigrant adults charging with makeshift "weapons" such as metallic bicycle parts and PVC pipes small group of underage finns. Media so far has put all the blame on the finns for it all, and made sympathy story about the immigrants who in interview tell they are afraid. The same guy telling that in interview is seen on video from previous day beating passing by car with girls inside panicking as they getting attacked by mob of armed migrants.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

same guy giving sob story to media afterewards

So all in all, things aren't quite as calm and rosy as some would like to claim.