Medieval III and Renaissence

[PROMETHEUS ts]

I am thinking and hoping that the next TW will finally be the Medieval III total war that will bring decent castle sieges back and all walled towns and castles.

My hope is that they will start from more or less the 700 AD and go up to the 1300 ....

The stop there and add a second expansion called Renaissence focused totally on the renaissence going from 1300 up to 1600 and with a campaign based on the Famous Italian wars were modern warfare has its roots.

What you think?

To mods sorry wrong forum ( shoudl go into General TW , can this be moved? thanks. )

[johnny_b_good]

Yup I want the same For me, the Rome total war will be always the best TW game. I started with it, played damn 3 years without any mod... When I bought Medieval 2, I played 6 months cuz I used to the game.

I really love Medieval and Roman settings but they failed with Rome, hard. Hope they will do better job with Medieval 3.
Now Im back to Shogun 2, playing a little bit.

[KingTutEgy]

I am really hoping they choose Medieval 3 as their next upcoming game..

[Boicote]

I would like to see an expansion for Medieval III about the Age of Discovery. Paradox has already released Europa Universalis starting in this Era and they were pretty successful. It's time to see what can CA do about this time period.

[drillmaster]

Im more interested in a true medieval game. 13th-15th century and as others said with an added Renessaince DLC. I wouldnt mind that. But i doubt it will happen soon. There are rumours about WWI or a victorian age game. Based on nothing but still....

[Flinn]

moved to the TW General Discussion

[PROMETHEUS ts]

Im more interested in a true medieval game. 13th-15th century and as others said with an added Renessaince DLC. I wouldnt mind that. But i doubt it will happen soon. There are rumours about WWI or a victorian age game. Based on nothing but still....

I don't see the point in modern age wars , they mostly involved airplanes, tanks and so on , Not sure it's worth.

[biasedplatypus7]

I agree with you Prometheus, if it were say a WW1 time period. I don't think it would really be a total war game, however a Victorian Total War would be amazing. The campaign could be in Europe, India and Africa with all kinds of cool units and asymmetrical factions that would have very unique play styles. Imagine trying to imperialize Africa! Thats definitely what I'm looking forward to.

[PikeStance]

OMG!!! How many times is this going to come up? They already definitely stated that they will NOT create a Med 3 game. Attila is your Med III (Age of Charlemagne). In fact, if you really want Med III, then Mod Attila.
My likely "epic" games are (in no particular order);
1. China Total War
2. A European Expansion Total War at the dawn of colonialism. (15th- 19th Century). CA version of Europa Universalis.
[Note: CA suggested that they may create another "Empire 2" so my second suggestion may not be something they will do.]
3. American Civil War [They hinted at the game being epic, so this would have to be something truly intricate, otherwise, it would be too small in scale]
4. Pike and Shot [Issue would be integrating musket units with pike units.]
Once you get further into the 18th century, the scale becomes too large. If the campaign map is enlarged this may open the possibility of 19th century period game, like Victoria.

[biasedplatypus7]

American Civil War would also be something I would totally be interested in.

[NostalgiaFan]

OMG!!! How many times is this going to come up? They already definitely stated that they will NOT create a Med 3 game. Attila is your Med III (Age of Charlemagne). In fact, if you really want Med III, then Mod Attila.

Whats with you people? You keep going on with that one interview from way back where they said they are not into making a third game right now( and it was just before Rome 2 was released) and would rather let it be decided in the future. No where did they say they will never make a Med 3. Now I do agree with you on it not being the next game( and I personally hope not because I still don't trust it on this engine) and I think most likely it will be something else.

My likely "epic" games are (in no particular order);
1. China Total War

Like this. I am seriously hoping they try this with a new battle engine because it would be the perfect place to start again since Chinese warfare is what gave birth to the Art of War book that has been a constant influence on CA. It also would be a new setting that we have never seen before in Total War and is a rare setting to see in gaming period that could be very interesting to discover for people not used to that country and timeline. I am praying CA looks into this despite what other people say about it "not being popular" or "just like Shogun 2" and other sorts of nonsense. Eras like the Warring state period actually had kingdoms rather then factions fighting each other who had different types of armies from each other so the game may not be as diverse as something like Warhammer(not like any other historical Total War could ever match that) but it sure as hell could be far more different then something like Shogun 2( or even Napoleon since most factions there were just carbon copies with each other with different names and skins) so I say they should give it a go.

[PikeStance]

Whats with you people?

Can I not ask the same question? Why do some not believe what they read?

You keep going on with that one interview from way back where they said they are not into making a third game right now( and it was just before Rome 2 was released) and would rather let it be decided in the future. No where did they say they will never make a Med 3. Now I do agree with you on it not being the next game( and I personally hope not because I still don't trust it on this engine) and I think most likely it will be something else.

The interview question concerned future projects. In the interview it was very explicit about a Med3. If the interview left it open for a "possibility" like it did for Empire 2 then I would understand the speculation. But the language was very clear in the interview and companies do not normally change their strategic plan going forward.

CA also seemed to have suggested that they will be experimenting with new features. I wouldn't conclude this means a new engine. It could also be experimentation on the current engine. It is also possible that they made create a game in either Europe or China where subsequent titles will increase the size and scope of the game. As I mentioned before, something similar to EU focus on Europe or China. They hinted at something big and that approach would certainly qualify. However, that may be marketing superlatives.

[NostalgiaFan]

Can I not ask the same question? Why do some not believe what they read?

Except I did read them and what they said was nothing like you were making it out to be.

The interview question concerned future projects. In the interview it was very explicit about a Med3. If the interview left it open for a "possibility" like it did for Empire 2 then I would understand the speculation. But the language was very clear in the interview and companies do not normally change their strategic plan going forward.

1. You showed me nothing of them saying anything like that. I read it all those years ago and it sounded more like they were simply not into doing at that time.
2. Companies change their strategic plan all the time so I don't how that means anything.
3. It was made more than three years ago and they already got two games out of the way now so acting like it is still unlikely to happen at anytime in the future is just preposterous.

CA also seemed to have suggested that they will be experimenting with new features. I wouldn't conclude this means a new engine. It could also be experimentation on the current engine. It is also possible that they made create a game in either Europe or China where subsequent titles will increase the size and scope of the game. As I mentioned before, something similar to EU focus on Europe or China. They hinted at something big and that approach would certainly qualify. However, that may be marketing superlatives.

Would be sad if they thought because people loved Warhammer then it must mean the engine is fine for historical settings despite the fact that the problems still exist and are only less shown because of the special game features like magic and giant creatures hiding it away. Just like Shogun 2 hid the faults with the engine better and did not actually solve them.

[Idomeneas]

OMG!!! How many times is this going to come up? They already definitely stated that they will NOT create a Med 3 game. Attila is your Med III (Age of Charlemagne). In fact, if you really want Med III, then Mod Attila.
My likely "epic" games are (in no particular order);
1. China Total War
2. A European Expansion Total War at the dawn of colonialism. (15th- 19th Century). CA version of Europa Universalis.
[Note: CA suggested that they may create another "Empire 2" so my second suggestion may not be something they will do.]
3. American Civil War [They hinted at the game being epic, so this would have to be something truly intricate, otherwise, it would be too small in scale]
4. Pike and Shot [Issue would be integrating musket units with pike units.]
Once you get further into the 18th century, the scale becomes too large. If the campaign map is enlarged this may open the possibility of 19th century period game, like Victoria.

1. Most people dont care about China. Its an ancient civilization but too obscure and detached. Same goes for all far east cultures except Japan.

2. 15th to 19th century is too broad time period to cover in one game even with several expansions.

3. American civil war would be a sure hit in the US, but the rest of the world doesnt care that much about it.

4. Pike and Shot TW cannot stand by its own. It can be the first stage of a new Empire TW or the last stage of a new MTW.

[Basileos Leandros I]

Pike, the Med 3 question was asked a long time ago most likely - haven't seen it exactly. But they will make a Medieval 3.

Just not now.

They're exploring other avenues, and in the future they will make a Med 3 because it's obviously their most popular historical game.

[Idomeneas]

I am thinking and hoping that the next TW will finally be the Medieval III total war that will bring decent castle sieges back and all walled towns and castles.

My hope is that they will start from more or less the 700 AD and go up to the 1300 ....

The stop there and add a second expansion called Renaissence focused totally on the renaissence going from 1300 up to 1600 and with a campaign based on the Famous Italian wars were modern warfare has its roots.


What you think?

To mods sorry wrong forum ( shoudl go into General TW , can this be moved? thanks. )

I also would like a new MTW game. Since Sega acquired CA there was a continuous push towards the visual improvement, but the gameplay was taking steps back, sometimes to arcade-ish levels. So this time I would like a new breed of TW games and medieval times being so polular with all, is the perfect platform. I would like to see elements that made Crusader Kings so successfull getting in the TW gameplay, and combine politics (that work), with feudal ethics and full blown 3d battles (we already have that). I want to see the King sitting on top of a feudal society, that means also sitting on a powder keg, ready to explode if he does the wrong move. The original TW made much more sense politically. You could have an assasination plot seriously backfire and end up with a full revolt. The Pope really mattered. If you were going against him you were in serious trouble not only from your enemies but also from your overly religious people. I would like elements like that put back.
I would also like to be able to have a continuous game from the main TW over to its expansions instead of them being mini new games.

[Sir Adrian]

If they do make a Med III the only thing I ask is that it feel medieval, like the first one did. Med II felt more like a renaissance fair than the middle ages.

[PikeStance]

Pike, the Med 3 question was asked a long time ago most likely - haven't seen it exactly. But they will make a Medieval 3.

Just not now.

They're exploring other avenues, and in the future they will make a Med 3 because it's obviously their most popular historical game.

Perhaps on TWC it is the most popular, but sales suggest they have many successful titles.
I would say, the comments they have made it was Empire 2 that they left open for a maybe later. I wouldn't hold my breath, but all means if you like.

[Basileos Leandros I]

My suspicion would be either an Empire 2 as the next TW title or somehing very similar - aka Victorian Period.

[Granatenwerfer]

I would appreciate if Medieval III is coming. Regardless of the time period.