More flexible sanctions regarding D&D

**~~swabian~~** · September 09, 2016, 12:16 PM

I hereby suggest to lower the minimum threshold for sanctionable transgressions in D&D AND to lower the strictness of moderative responses at the same time.

Example:

Don't wait til the 'infractometer' suggests a 2-3 month suspension for 4 points or more, respond already if 2 or 3 points ar reached with a suspension of up to 2 weeks.

**Tango12345** · September 09, 2016, 01:19 PM

Just so you know, this is a matter for Hex and Moderation, and, whilst you are of course free to discuss it, the Curia has no binding powers in this area.

**~~swabian~~** · September 09, 2016, 04:35 PM

Sorry, no clue what the "Hex" is, but i naively assumed that suggestions to improve this website can be discussed here. Of course i am fully aware of how meaningless this approach of mine may be, but, as you said, it can be discussed.

**Tango12345** · September 10, 2016, 05:05 AM

Hex = Hexagon Council = Admin

**Sir Adrian** · September 10, 2016, 01:50 PM

Best place to discuss this is the moderation commentary.

**PikeStance** · September 11, 2016, 12:39 AM

The Curia and/ or the Forum Magnum is where initiation of change should start.

CURIA: Come to discuss matters of the republic, complaints, grievances, and nominations. Citizens only!

FORUM MAGNUM: A place for Citizens and other members to propose ideas for the betterment of the site.

Pardon the pessimism: The membership initiated suggestions is often dismissed out of hand or it is met with a defensive attitude.
Have we reached a tipping point? frustration and apathetic indifference is already pervasive.

**Ybbon** · September 11, 2016, 03:41 PM

The current level to be forum banned (and that is just one forum) are quite a bit higher than 4 points and is substantially less than 1 month much less two or three months. What gets a user into more serious trouble is continuous poor behaviour which incurs further infractions before the prior ones have expired, continued poor behaviour will lead to being put on probation but that is a last resort and reserved for very few people.

The infraction system and how they are applied is not as simple as you seem to think, so increasing the threshold for infractions and reducing the point at which they incur further suspension would I suspect enormously increase our workload for little gain.

However, as you proposed this, please elaborate what you intend to be the benefit of these changes? How will they impact the site from the current system?

**Sir Adrian** · September 11, 2016, 05:36 PM

Originally Posted by PikeStance

The Curia and/ or the Forum Magnum is where initiation of change should start.

Pardon the pessimism: The membership initiated suggestions is often dismissed out of hand or it is met with a defensive attitude.
Have we reached a tipping point? frustration and apathetic indifference is already pervasive.

The Curia does not dictate staff policy or have any business medling in it.

**PikeStance** · September 11, 2016, 10:24 PM

Originally Posted by Settra

The Curia does not dictate staff policy or have any business medling in it.

Historically, this is not true.

Prothalamos: An area specifically for the proposal and discussion of legislation and decisions.
From the Constitution: Decisions - A proposal for the creation of an official Decision of the Curia on any topic relevant to the functioning of TWC. Such a Decision is not binding, but the Curator should ensure (to the best of their ability) that the Hexagon Council promptly either implements the Decision or gives an official reason for not having implemented all or part of it.

The best way for the site to know what the community's needs are is to hear from the community. This is happening less and less and more and more people are not caring.

**Tango12345** · September 12, 2016, 03:46 AM

Settra is right in that the curia cannot dictate site policy. It can however suggest changes that staff could then decide whether to implement or not.

**PikeStance** · September 12, 2016, 04:04 AM

Settra is wrong when he stated that I stated that the Curia "dictates" anything. Post #6
He was also wrong when he stated that the Curia cannot meddle. WE know that in theory that is not true.

**mishkin** · September 12, 2016, 08:50 AM

In practice the curia can only make suggestions and in practice (to my knowledge, in the last five years I would say) a curia/citizenship initiative has never influenced moderation/ToS. If any theory (paragraph or line) reflects something else, that theory should be changed to avoid confusion.

**PikeStance** · September 12, 2016, 09:35 AM

It isn't a theory. It is in fact. The Curia can make suggestions for the betterment of the site. The theory part is not any ambiguity, but indifference on admin to take any suggestions from Curia (a gradual indifference). The net result is people have little faith in the process. A self- fulfilled prophecy.

**mishkin** · September 12, 2016, 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by PikeStance

The Curia can make suggestions for the betterment of the site.

They can do it as any particular user can do it at Q&S, and they could do it as any other group of users could develop an idea and tell it to a moderation Hex.

Again, the curia have never had even the slightest influence on the moderation of this site. (Do you remember any case where that happened?)

**PikeStance** · September 12, 2016, 09:46 PM

Originally Posted by mishkin

They can do it as any particular user can do it at Q&S, and they could do it as any other group of users could develop an idea and tell it to a moderation Hex.

This is not relevant; the discussion is what the Curia (Forum Magnum) can and cannot do.

Originally Posted by mishkin

Again, the curia have never had even the slightest influence on the moderation of this site. (Do you remember any case where that happened?)

This discussion is about what the Curia can and cannot do, not what has or have not done (in recent history).

**Tango12345** · September 12, 2016, 10:23 PM

It might be a good idea to move this back towards the suggestion made at the start of the thread before we go too far away from it.

**Gigantus** · September 13, 2016, 12:20 AM

Originally Posted by swabian

I hereby suggest to lower the minimum threshold for sanctionable transgressions in D&D AND to lower the strictness of moderative responses at the same time.

Example:

Don't wait til the 'infractometer' suggests a 2-3 month suspension for 4 points or more, respond already if 2 or 3 points ar reached with a suspension of up to 2 weeks.

The levels of automatic action are listed here. They are based on the total pending (less then three month since issue) points accumulated. This is a forum wide setting and I don't think it can be easily formatted to suit individual fora.
The discussion fora have additional 'rules' which serve as guide line for what is expected from a poster.
In severe cases of multiple violations which may not trigger an automatic suspension (eg after a just expired suspension or low level penalties of varying rules) members are subject to a temporary suspension (cool down) which is applied after an internal discussion.

In light of this kindly be a bit more specific where changes should be applied and how. 'Strictness' is a bit subjective when it comes to describe how the implementation of the rules should be done. Either it is deemed to break a rule or it doesn't.