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    thanks to the American Idol like talent of NATO defence ministers:


    joking aside, the US will lose military supremacy and with it, the ability to bend countries to its will by 2030.
    World order in 2035: US could lose ability for global dominance, DoD paper says

    Published time: 30 Jul, 2016 14:30

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    By 2035, the US could find itself in an environment where Russia or China may match or even exceed the West’s military and economic might in some areas, taking advantage of a “disordered and contested world,” the Pentagon’s research unit said.
    In just 20 years, the US and its allies will live in a world where shaping a global order the way they have since the end of the Cold War would be increasingly difficult, if not impossible, Pentagon’s research division, the Defense Technical Information Center (DTIC), warned in a new foresight report.
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    “The future world order will see a number of states with the political will, economic capacity, and military capabilities to compel change at the expense of others,” reads the paper entitled “The Joint Force in a Contested and Disordered World.”
    “Rising powers including for example, China, Russia, India, Iran, or Brazil have increasingly expressed dissatisfaction with their roles, access, and authorities within the current international system,” it states.
    “Russia will modernize its land, air, and sea-based intercontinental nuclear forces” and make use of deterrent operations such as “snap nuclear exercises, bomber flights, and strategic reconnaissance overflights into US territory,” the Pentagon’s researchers predict.
    The report admits Russia and China are among countries dissatisfied“with the current Western-derived notion of international order.”
    Russia, China, India, and others, labeled “revisionist states” in the report, would promote alternate international alliances, while the West’s shrinking resources would also have an impact on Washington’s dominance across the globe.
    “Although seemingly insignificant today, organizations such as the Shanghai Cooperation Organization and the Eurasian Economic Union could grow as China, Russia, India, and others turn to these multinational groups to reorder international rules in their favor.”

    “Demographic and fiscal pressures will continue to challenge NATO’s capacity and capability,” the paper warns. “In Asia, perceptions of reduced US commitment may encourage current allies and partners to pursue unilateral military modernization efforts or explore alternative alliances and partnerships.”
    However, though the Pentagon’s report states that “no power or coalition of powers has yet emerged to openly oppose US global influence and reach,” it claims “the United States will operate in a world in which its overall economic and military power, and that of its allies and partners, may not grow as quickly as potential competitors.”
    A number of states “can generate military advantages locally in ways that match or even exceed that of the Joint Force and its partners,” while American technological superiority “will be met by asymmetric, unconventional, and hybrid responses from adversaries.”
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    Offering a vision of the world in 2035, the paper says in conclusion it is unclear if the US “can be simultaneously proficient at addressing contested norms and persistent disorder with currently projected capabilities, operational approaches, and fiscal resources.”
    “There may be times when it is more appropriate to manage global security problems as opposed to undertaking expensive efforts to comprehensively solve them.”
    Moscow has repeatedly denied allegations of it harboring global ambitions as opposed to that of the US.
    Russia “is not aspiring for hegemony or any ephemeral status of a superpower,” President Vladimir Putin said at the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum last year, adding: “We do not act aggressively. We have started to defend our interests more persistently and consistently."
    Earlier this year, Russia adopted a new edition of its foreign policy doctrine, which mentions a shift towards a multipolar and a “polycentric” world.
    “A transition to polycentric architecture should be ideally based on the interaction of leading centers of power,” Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said in April. He added however, that he was not sure if that was achievable.

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    Source: https://www.rt.com/news/354013-us-gl...ominance-2035/

    we live in interesting times; this must be how the Romans felt when they felt their own decline; on a more optimistic note, we might have a more reasonable USG that isnt trying to go Dr Evil on everyone on the planet

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    Good, being world police is expensive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by irontaino View Post
    Good, being world police is expensive.
    sadly, the people of the US have no say in this matter; there'll be another world war soon, i reckon

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    Perhaps the Europeans will have to start paying for their own defense. It's about time.

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    I think 2030 will require other investments than just stuff to blow up, e.g. sunshades.

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    LOL. This assumes that the US will somehow be overspent by other nations in terms of its overwhelming defense budget anytime soon (not likely). Also, is the US is going to be overtaken by non-NATO aircraft carriers anytime soon? Not likely is the answer to that as well.


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    This is what they always say to stay relevant

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    Having a giant navy and the worlds largest economy kept Britain around for hundreds of years. But yeah...that's not relevant.

    Or are you saying this is likely the Pentagon trying to grab for more money? That makes a lot of sense. The DoD often under reports and basically lies to officials in order to drum up support and money. Obama's justified cuts to this massive whale has triggered stuff like this before. Its normal fear mongering in order to try and convince people that we(US) are in 'danger'.

    China is on the rise but that takes centuries to over take the leading man. We'll be nuked by then I bet so political dynamics will shift in ways no one actually knows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gabeman27 View Post
    Having a giant navy and the worlds largest economy kept Britain around for hundreds of years. But yeah...that's not relevant.

    Or are you saying this is likely the Pentagon trying to grab for more money? That makes a lot of sense. The DoD often under reports and basically lies to officials in order to drum up support and money. Obama's justified cuts to this massive whale has triggered stuff like this before. Its normal fear mongering in order to try and convince people that we(US) are in 'danger'.

    China is on the rise but that takes centuries to over take the leading man. We'll be nuked by then I bet so political dynamics will shift in ways no one actually knows.
    Thats exactly what i say. That the Pentagon tries to persuade the white house to divert more money to them because, supposingly, US will loose ground to China and others. I would even dare to say that one of the reasons that US is engaged in wars with no end right now is exactly fot the Pentagon to have something to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Papay View Post
    Thats exactly what i say. That the Pentagon tries to persuade the white house to divert more money to them because, supposingly, US will loose ground to China and others. I would even dare to say that one of the reasons that US is engaged in wars with no end right now is exactly fot the Pentagon to have something to do.
    For starters, it is the US Congress that funds the military, Department of Defense, and Pentagon staff, not the White House, executive branch, or Obama administration. Obama is only allowed to enforce the law and act accordingly within it. He isn't allowed a say or vote when it comes to congressional funding based on taxes, although he makes a formal request to congressional leaders about how allocate funding to various executive agencies that answer to the president. As for wars with no end, I would argue that has more to do with the overall military industrial complex than anything else, and by that I mean private lobbying interests such as Lockheed Martin.

    Quote Originally Posted by Papay View Post
    This is what they always say to stay relevant
    I'm not sure how to respond to this, other than to express bewilderment as to why you perhaps think aircraft carriers are just for show.

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    What ifs.

    If Russia can sustain a military build up and NATO doesn't bother to at least match it.

    If the Chinese proletariat don't conceive a sudden passion for democracy. Or if it does, and they're simultaneously drowned by an overwhelming tide of nationalistic jingoism.
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    "Yeah mom I need a new gun, coz China, or say Russia could be tougher than me by...lets say next Tuesday"

    "OK son here's an extra 100Bn, you play nice....did you say Russia?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclops View Post
    "Yeah mom I need a new gun, coz China, or say Russia could be tougher than me by...lets say next Tuesday"

    "OK son here's an extra 100Bn, you play nice....did you say Russia?"

    "MKbai mom"
    Is Russia and/or China going to build 18 carriers to help secure shipping that fast? Damn if they get manufacturing that damn fast we got other problems than their military.
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    russia and china dont need to match the US, carrier for carrier in order to achieve their goals

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    Quote Originally Posted by Exarch View Post
    russia and china dont need to match the US, carrier for carrier in order to achieve their goals
    You said Global Dominance. Not dicking around near their borders. There's a difference. It's not like the carriers just hang out on the east coast by Virginia or by the west coast by San Diego or by Hawaii.
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    Unless the US Defence Budget is really severely undercut in the next few years...

    ...no one can see that happening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidin View Post
    You said Global Dominance. Not dicking around near their borders. There's a difference. It's not like the carriers just hang out on the east coast by Virginia or by the west coast by San Diego or by Hawaii.
    well prepare for a future where Chinese supercarriers start coasting along the west coast and Hawaii
    and y'know what; the USG is not gonna be able to do a thing about that.
    Quote Originally Posted by BatGoat View Post
    Unless the US Defence Budget is really severely undercut in the next few years...

    ...no one can see that happening.
    oh sure it wont happen...just that the purchasing power of the USD is gonna depreciate, and with it, inflation, higher interest rates, sluggish economic growth and probably having to use the military to quell civil unrest at home.

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    Sounds like Pentagon propaganda, to keep the defence budget as high as it has stayed post-cold-war, which is nearly half of the planet being USA spending.

    PNAC and such think tanks pre-9/11 also advocated similar message. Who also hoped for Pearl Harbour like attack, to get excuse to get the spending high again like in cold war, and bring back american global military domination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Exarch View Post
    well prepare for a future where Chinese supercarriers start coasting along the west coast and Hawaii
    and y'know what; the USG is not gonna be able to do a thing about that.
    Yea. Uh huh. We know your reputation for eating out of the hand of the papers of foreign countries. Oh wait. You quoted Russian press. Bravo. Find something from another country that supports this. Bonus points if it's an American source.
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    I'd be pretty impressed with a blue water chinese navy sailing anywhere in ~14 years, last I heard their new cutting edge submarines were at least 40 years behind US tech, and their aircraft carriers have been "under construction" for who knows how long.
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