I could believe you but the following prevent it.
1] I have read all the secession documents in full, therefore i can only conclude your false.Since many dont mention slavery.
2] Even if the above were not true you have shown over and over to not have even read what you posted or linked to. You even gave links to documents that were not the secession documents of the states yet claimed they were.
3] You have ignored most of them and the fact you think there is 11, should tell anyone you dont know what your talking about. Though this would be a mistake i would expect from someone who has not read them. After all dident 11 states leave the union? However just to prove you wrong I think they wont delete if i do just two, one from my op one not. For more see op.
KENTUCKY
Whereas, the Federal Constitution, which created the Government of the United States, was declared by the framers thereof to be the supreme law of the land, and was intended to limit and did expressly limit the powers of said Government to certain general specified purposes, and did expressly reserve to the States and people all other powers whatever, and the President and Congress have treated this supreme law of the Union with contempt and usurped to themselves the power to interfere with the rights and liberties of the States and the people against the expressed provisions of the Constitution, and have thus substituted for the highest forms of national liberty and constitutional government a central despotism founded upon the ignorant prejudices of the masses of Northern society, and instead of giving protection with the Constitution to the people of fifteen States of this Union have turned loose upon them the unrestrained and raging passions of mobs and fanatics, and because we now seek to hold our liberties, our property, our homes, and our families under the protection of the reserved powers of the States, have blockaded our ports, invaded our soil, and waged war upon our people for the purpose of subjugating us to their will; and
Whereas, our honor and our duty to posterity demand that we shall not relinquish our own liberty and shall not abandon the right of our descendants and the world to the inestimable blessings of constitutional government: Therefore,
Be it ordained, That we do hereby forever sever our connection with the Government of the United States, and in the name of the people we do hereby declare Kentucky to be a free and independent State, clothed with all power to fix her own destiny and to secure her own rights and liberties.
And whereas, the majority of the Legislature of Kentucky have violated their most solemn pledges made before the election, and deceived and betrayed the people; have abandoned the position of neutrality assumed by themselves and the people, and invited into the State the organized armies of Lincoln; have abdicated the Government in favor of a military despotism which they have placed around themselves, but cannot control, and have abandoned the duty of shielding the citizen with their protection; have thrown upon our people and the State the horrors and ravages of war, instead of attempting to preserve the peace, and have voted men and money for the war waged by the North for the destruction of our constitutional rights; have violated the expressed words of the constitution by borrowing five millions of money for the support of the war without a vote of the people; have permitted the arrest and imprisonment of our citizens, and transferred the constitutional prerogatives of the Executive to a military commission of partisans; have seen the writ of habeus corpus suspended without an effort for its preservation, and permitted our people to be driven in exile from their homes; have subjected our property to confiscation and our persons to confinement in the penitentiary as felons, because we may choose to take part in a cause for civil liberty and constitutional government against a sectional majority waging war against the people and institutions of fifteen independent States of the old Federal Union, and have done all these things deliberately against the warnings and vetoes of the Governor and the solemn remonstrances of the minority in the Senate and House of Representatives: Therefore,
Be it further ordained, That the unconstitutional edicts of a factious majority of a Legislature thus false to their pledges, their honor, and their interests are not law, and that such a government is unworthy of the support of a brave and free people, and that we do therefore declare that the people are thereby absolved from all allegiance to said government, and that they have a right to establish any government which to them may seem best adapted to the preservation of their rights and liberties.
Adopted 20 Nov 1861, by a "Convention of the People of Kentucky"
NORTH CAROLINA
AN ORDINANCE to dissolve the union between the State of North Carolina and the other States united with her, under the compact of government entitled "The Constitution of the United States."
We, the people of the State of North Carolina in convention assembled, do declare and ordain, and it is hereby declared and ordained, That the ordinance adopted by the State of North Carolina in the convention of 1789, whereby the Constitution of the United States was ratified and adopted, and also all acts and parts of acts of the General Assembly ratifying and adopting amendments to the said Constitution, are hereby repealed, rescinded, and abrogated.
We do further declare and ordain, That the union now subsisting between the State of North Carolina and the other States, under the title of the United States of America, is hereby dissolved, and that the State of North Carolina is in full possession and exercise of all those rights of sovereignty which belong and appertain to a free and independent State.
Done in convention at the city of Raleigh, this the 20th day of May, in the year of our Lord 1861, and in the eighty-fifth year of the independence of said State.
Statements like this make it very hard to wonder why you would get in a discussion you have no knowledge of. It also makes me think you still have not read post 1 or 8. I thought you were just hiding pretending you have not because you could not handle them. But me know thinks you really have not read them. Since I posted many in my op/post 8 that you did not include, its hard to imagine you would other wise claim you posted them all. Here is what you posted the following.
Arkansas- You ignore Arkansas secession document i posted in full on post 1 and what causes there secession and instead give a quote of what caused the deep south to leave the union from the Arkansas convention that turned down secession. You would know that if you cared for historical context. Or had you read my op.
Tennessee-You present a speech that is laden with state sovereignty [you did not read] given by one man and Tennessee rejected secession 4-1. This you would know if you know the historical context or read my op. You of course ignore there secession document that says nothing of slavery. That same man you quotes does give the reason Tennessee leaves the union see my op.
Virginia-As I pointed out does not mention slavery, but the "oppression" of th e slave states [cotton states]. What was that oppression? well put in historical context it is clear. See my op.
South Carolina - I made the arguments it was clearly a state sovereignty document [as I made on post 8 and know 18] that you must ignore to maintain your belief.
Florida[post 18]
- Mississippi, Georgia,Alabama. [that i quote in post 8] Yes they mention slavery among other issues as i agreed in my post 8. Than as i stated states rights was the major concern for the majority, not actual slavery. You cannot handle those arguments or the historical context as you have shown by ignoring them.
But where is North Carolina? Tennessee? Arkansas? Kentucky? Missouri? Louisiana? and yes Arizona territory? That is 7 secession documents you did not post and was unaware of. Not only cant you defend the ones you post, you were ignorant of 7 of the 15 documents and yet claimed to have posted them all. All the while ignoring my posts with many secession documents in full. Why debate a subject you have not studied?
The burden of proof is on me to show state sovereignty was the main cause of southern secession. That is the debate. That is what I have done post 1 and 8 and following.
By allowing the states themselves and the historical context to tell us what causes secession. We can than find what caused secession. By assuming they use the english language, that has words and meanings, we can understand what they left for. Your standards as we have seen is illogical and would prove my case, that state sovereignty was the main cause.