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    Quote Originally Posted by Odenat View Post
    Turkey-Russia relations works exactly the same way that European policies work; West requests democracy&human rights from Turkey, is there democracy&human rights at Saudi Arabia, Jordan etc? Why don't you go and request democracy from them too?

    Turkey learns to play the big game. That's why West is so pissed right now. Oh, and we want a democratic Austria. Turkish secret service must work on bringing democracy there. After all, Austria is in danger of falling to Nazis. Remember that at the last elections 35% of the Austrians voted for the Nazi party.

    By the way, Turkey have freedom of speech. If he wants to call European politicians infidel, well, he can. Doesn't Europeans call Erdoğan as "child molester" and "goater" and then say that's "freedom of speech". I don't understand why you are angry when Turkish speak similarly about Europeans.
    I agree that policies work the same in every case. You are right for that. Answering in the highlighted part of your post:
    Lets say that you are 100% right and the powerfull countries are blind in such bad regimes that do not suport democracy and human right.
    My questions about this phrase of yours:
    1) Do you like to live in a country that is against democracy and human rights no matter what is going on on other countries.
    2) If the accusastions against Turkey are true , wouldn't you like to live in a country of free speach, free religion and all human rights that ISLAM 1st made clear as LAW?
    Because in Turkey you are proud that you are muslims and FORGET that Islam is the religion of tollerance and learning and respect.
    You FORGOT what Prophet said that ANYONE that will hurt a Christian or a Church or a Monastery of Christians will be CURSED by the Prophet Him Self!
    Ofcourse not only Turks forgot that but since we are talking about human rights and Turkey and the influence of Islam in your country then the 1st step would be to FOLLOW the Word of The Prophet!

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    I doubt Putin believes in islam, so I don't think he is a kafir.

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    Putin is the Christian version of Erdogan.
    Putin promotes the Panslavism and Erdogan promotes Panturkism via the Pan Altaic confederacy.
    Putin wants despertly to become the Ultimate protector of Orthodox Christians and Erdogan wants to become the new Suleiman the Magnifisent as the Ultimate protector of Islam.
    It is natural to work together since the rest of the world try hard to stop both plans.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tureuki View Post
    They bombed the civilians and the parliament in the middle of capital?
    Yea but what are the evidences that the ploters were driven to their actions by this man?
    Is there an email that says "start the operation now" or something similar?
    Quote Originally Posted by Setekh View Post
    So, you mean opposition parties joined that rally and their leaders gave speeches where they also criticized the policies of the Nazi party?
    Yes "democracy" did not die in a day in 1930s Germany. The influence and the fanatism of the German people "forced" many of them to join their former enemy and later those that did not join the common goal founded dead!
    Do you wish more simularities between Germany of 1930's with Erdogan's Turkey of today?
    Hitler found a Germanh in civil war with an economy ruined and huge unemployment.
    Erdogan "saved" Turkey from bankcrupsy in his 1st tour as prime minister and redused also unemployment.Also Turkey was/still is in war in its eastern borders.
    Hitler drove "education" to a nationalistic way .
    Erdigan -with the help of Gullen- drove education to a more Islamistic way and today he fires up not only Gullen's suporters but also most of the "pragmatists" education clerks.
    I guess the new Madrassas will be named "Universities"!
    Hitler focused on military technology to suport his country intipendent policy and the future plans of exansion.
    Erdogan gave a huge boost in military technology and already made his 1st moves of Turkey's expansion by sending troops in Iraq, sending spesial forces to help ISIL against YGP in Rojava (Turkey never answered how turkish spesial forces troops found dead among ISIL troops in asaults in northern Syria).
    Germany under 1st years of Hitler's administration had a huge finansial development that made Germans blinded loyal to Hitler and his choices.
    Erdogan's Turkey in among 20 wealtiest countries that with the Islamic factor of the uneducated fanatics of anatolia , make Turks blinded loyal to Erdogan and his choices.
    But there is a great diference.
    Hitler had no where to run to escape Germany after the distruction that he brought to his country.
    Erdogan and his fammily have multiple choices to run away to, in the case their sultanistic plans wont work!
    So being blinded loyal to Erdogan may quarantee a common future for Turk similar to the future Germans had in 1945!
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnthoniusII View Post
    Yes "democracy" did not die in a day in 1930s Germany. The influence and the fanatism of the German people "forced" many of them to join their former enemy and later those that did not join the common goal founded dead!
    Do you wish more simularities between Germany of 1930's with Erdogan's Turkey of today?
    Hitler found a Germanh in civil war with an economy ruined and huge unemployment.
    Erdogan "saved" Turkey from bankcrupsy in his 1st tour as prime minister and redused also unemployment.Also Turkey was/still is in war in its eastern borders.
    Hitler drove "education" to a nationalistic way .
    Erdigan -with the help of Gullen- drove education to a more Islamistic way and today he fires up not only Gullen's suporters but also most of the "pragmatists" education clerks.
    I guess the new Madrassas will be named "Universities"!
    Hitler focused on military technology to suport his country intipendent policy and the future plans of exansion.
    Erdogan gave a huge boost in military technology and already made his 1st moves of Turkey's expansion by sending troops in Iraq, sending spesial forces to help ISIL against YGP in Rojava (Turkey never answered how turkish spesial forces troops found dead among ISIL troops in asaults in northern Syria).
    Germany under 1st years of Hitler's administration had a huge finansial development that made Germans blinded loyal to Hitler and his choices.
    Erdogan's Turkey in among 20 wealtiest countries that with the Islamic factor of the uneducated fanatics of anatolia , make Turks blinded loyal to Erdogan and his choices.
    But there is a great diference.
    Hitler had no where to run to escape Germany after the distruction that he brought to his country.
    Erdogan and his fammily have multiple choices to run away to, in the case their sultanistic plans wont work!
    So being blinded loyal to Erdogan may quarantee a common future for Turk similar to the future Germans had in 1945!
    You didn't answer the question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Setekh View Post
    You didn't answer the question.
    Why don't you answer that question your self?
    I explain: The far right party leader had accused Erdogan as TRAITOR of the nation and the cosmic way of the state more than once the last few years.
    DID YOU HEAR SUCH KIND OF CRITISISM in that rally as well?
    If YOU WERE the leader of that party and YOU accused Erdogan as traitor of Turkey a year ago what WOULD YOU DO in that rally? Would you DARE to shout infront of 5 milion people that Erdogan REMAINS a traitor of the Turkey and of the cosmic way of the nation?
    Even if the 40% of those people realy belonged to opposition parties as fans, WOULD you risk a conflict between 5 milion people between those that see Erdogan as God and those that still believe that he is a traitor?
    We all must learn to use our brain and create common sence.
    That is what separates us from animalls and the fanatic people arround the world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnthoniusII View Post
    Why don't you answer that question your self?
    I explain: The far right party leader had accused Erdogan as TRAITOR of the nation and the cosmic way of the state more than once the last few years.
    DID YOU HEAR SUCH KIND OF CRITISISM in that rally as well?
    If YOU WERE the leader of that party and YOU accused Erdogan as traitor of Turkey a year ago what WOULD YOU DO in that rally? Would you DARE to shout infront of 5 milion people that Erdogan REMAINS a traitor of the Turkey and of the cosmic way of the nation?
    Even if the 40% of those people realy belonged to opposition parties as fans, WOULD you risk a conflict between 5 milion people between those that see Erdogan as God and those that still believe that he is a traitor?
    We all must learn to use our brain and create common sence.
    That is what separates us from animalls and the fanatic people arround the world.
    Animmals kill to feed, fanatics kill for pleasure!
    Sigh... Kılıçdaroğlu mentioned a number of criticism in that rally against policies of AKP. Things like secularism, merit based appointment, and importance of parliamentary system. He proudly shouted "No coup, nor dictator, long live democracy!" So, once again, to avoid making it further embarrassing for you, did any opposition leader took up the stage and criticized policies of the Nazi party?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Setekh View Post
    Sigh... Kılıçdaroğlu mentioned a number of criticism in that rally against policies of AKP. Things like secularism, merit based appointment, and importance of parliamentary system. He proudly shouted "No coup, nor dictator, long live democracy!" So, once again, to avoid making it further embarrassing for you, did any opposition leader took up the stage and criticized policies of the Nazi party?
    Thank you for your consern about me being embarrased. But BEFORE I will feel embarrased we BOTH must wait and see a year or two from today IF there will be an opposition in Turkey.
    To answer AGAIN to your question.
    Yes there were VOICES against NAZI party from 1934 to 1939. That is why 1 milion Germans were inprissoned and an other milion hided from place to place t0o avoid arrest for 15 years! NOT to mention the German communists that were executed after the 1936 minor civil war in Germany!
    YES there were voices and opposition parties until that idiot that ruled Germany with the passioned LOVE of the fanatic Germans that wanted Germany to become a Superpower (just like Turks want for Turkey today) allowd him to start silence those voices! SO...wait a year or so and then tell me about opposition and other fairy tales!
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnthoniusII View Post
    Thank you for your consern about me being embarrased. But BEFORE I will feel embarrased we BOTH must wait and see a year or two from today IF there will be an opposition in Turkey.
    To answer AGAIN to your question.
    Yes there were VOICES against NAZI party from 1934 to 1939. That is why 1 milion Germans were inprissoned and an other milion hided from place to place t0o avoid arrest for 15 years! NOT to mention the German communists that were executed after the 1936 minor civil war in Germany!
    YES there were voices and opposition parties until that idiot that ruled Germany with the passioned LOVE of the fanatic Germans that wanted Germany to become a Superpower (just like Turks want for Turkey today) allowd him to start silence those voices! SO...wait a year or so and then tell me about opposition and other fairy tales!
    I didn't ask if there were opposition voices from 1934 to 1939. That's not what I asked about. Should I repeat my question again?
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    By the way what happened to the Turkish Fleets that went missing during the Coup? Did they found the fleet again? I am asking because a 75 year old admiral plead for asyslum in the US. He was in Norfolk for a Nato-Exchange but went missing after hearing that he was on the arrest lists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcus Aemilius Lepidus View Post
    By the way what happened to the Turkish Fleets that went missing during the Coup? Did they found the fleet again? I am asking because a 75 year old admiral plead for asyslum in the US. He was in Norfolk for a Nato-Exchange but went missing after hearing that he was on the arrest lists.
    There are no Turkish ship missing. That was one propaganda article by Western media at 19th July. After that, no one spoke about those ships again. You know, Greece, Russia and NATO follows the whereabouts of Turkish ships as we follow their ships. If for example Greece had ships in its ports, they will announce it. There is no way you can hide 14 warships.

    I need to repeat, Western media is full of disinformation articles and is totally untrustable. Stop believing them. Most Western media outlet is trying to hide the fact that the coup is performed by CIA. Of course, Russian media is widely reporting about the failed CIA coup.

    75 years old admiral at Norfolk? 75? Really? No one in the army stay until they are 75 years old. Nice propaganda.

    Meanwhile, Turkish media have reported that 14 CIA agents were at Turkey during the coup and the coup was financed by the CIA via Nigeria's United bank for Africa. The coup forces have been commanded by American general John F. Campbell. Of course American government says it's a "conspiracy theory" and media does not publish anything about it. The only thing that i found about this news is at Reuters calling it a conspiracy theory! And then Western media publish their conpiracy theories; "it was Erdoğan who organized the coup"

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-tu...-idUSKCN1071XZ

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    did any opposition leader took up the stage and criticized policies of the Nazi Party?
    Yes. The Social Democrats did and consequently were arrested soon after Hitler got the majority for the Ermächtigungsgesetz. Later on there was for example the "Weisse Rose" who were students who tried to stand up against the Nazis. But by that Point Hitlers policies had already isolated the opposition so they were arrested and executed.

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    Nach den Verfolgungen, die die Sozialdemokratische Partei in der letzten Zeit erfahren hat, wird billigerweise niemand von ihr verlangen oder erwarten können, daß sie für das hier eingebrachte Ermächtigungsgesetz stimmt. Die Wahlen vom 5. März haben den Regierungsparteien die Mehrheit gebracht und damit die Möglichkeit gegeben, streng nach Wortlaut und Sinn der Verfassung zu regieren. Wo diese Möglichkeit besteht, besteht auch die Pflicht. Kritik ist heilsam und notwendig. Noch niemals, seit es einen Deutschen Reichstag gibt, ist die Kontrolle der öffentlichen Angelegenheiten durch die gewählten Vertreter des Volkes in solchem Maße ausgeschaltet worden, wie es jetzt geschieht, und wie es durch das neue Ermächtigungsgesetz noch mehr geschehen soll. Eine solche Allmacht der Regierung muß sich um so schwerer auswirken, als auch die Presse jeder Bewegungsfreiheit entbehrt.
    […] Wir deutschen Sozialdemokraten bekennen uns in dieser geschichtlichen Stunde feierlich zu den Grundsätzen der Menschlichkeit und Gerechtigkeit, der Freiheit und des Sozialismus. Kein Ermächtigungsgesetz gibt Ihnen die Macht, Ideen, die ewig und unzerstörbar sind, zu vernichten. […] Auch aus neuen Verfolgungen kann die deutsche Sozialdemokratie neue Kraft schöpfen.
    Wir grüßen die Verfolgten und Bedrängten. Wir grüßen unsere Freunde im Reich. Ihre Standhaftigkeit und Treue verdienen Bewunderung. Ihr Bekennermut, ihre ungebrochene Zuversicht verbürgen eine hellere Zukunft.“


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    Quote Originally Posted by SorelusImperion View Post
    Yes. The Social Democrats did and consequently were arrested soon after Hitler got the majority for the Ermächtigungsgesetz.
    Sigh... I really didn't ask a too complex question. It was a simple question. I don't even know how it can be simplified further...
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    Sigh... I really didn't ask a too complex question. It was a simple question. I don't even know how it can be simplified further...
    And it has been answered. In fact you have a literal visual and accustic example of an "Opposition leader taking up the stage and critizizing the policies of the Nazi Party" right before you.
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    Norge: "Give me a break. Nothing would make you happier than to see the eagle replaced with a crescent."

    Ummon:"enforcing international law will require that the enforcers do not respect it"
    Olmstead v USA:"Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a lawbreaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. To declare that in the administration of the criminal law the end justifies the means-to declare that the government may commit crimes in order to secure the conviction of a private criminal-would bring terrible retribution. Against that pernicious doctrine this court should resolutely set its face."








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    Quote Originally Posted by Odenat View Post
    There are no Turkish ship missing. That was one propaganda article by Western media at 19th July. After that, no one spoke about those ships again. You know, Greece, Russia and NATO follows the whereabouts of Turkish ships as we follow their ships. If for example Greece had ships in its ports, they will announce it. There is no way you can hide 14 warships.

    I need to repeat, Western media is full of disinformation articles and is totally untrustable. Stop believing them. Most Western media outlet is trying to hide the fact that the coup is performed by CIA. Of course, Russian media is widely reporting about the failed CIA coup.

    75 years old admiral at Norfolk? 75? Really? No one in the army stay until they are 75 years old. Nice propaganda.

    Meanwhile, Turkish media have reported that 14 CIA agents were at Turkey during the coup and the coup was financed by the CIA via Nigeria's United bank for Africa. The coup forces have been commanded by American general John F. Campbell. Of course American government says it's a "conspiracy theory" and media does not publish anything about it. The only thing that i found about this news is at Reuters calling it a conspiracy theory! And then Western media publish their conpiracy theories; "it was Erdoğan who organized the coup"

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-tu...-idUSKCN1071XZ
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37032171 obviously my mistake since he is not 75. However although i blame the CIA for a lot. I don't think they are involved. That just typical paranoia.

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    Although we know the CIA was behind several coups and rebellions in the past, I don't understand how this coup could be a CIA plan.

    I'm not saying that CIA can't fail, they historically can.

    But...

    They knew were Erdogan was, they could have easily taken him out amidst the chaos by various means (assasination,shooting his plane down), and the blame would go on the coup.

    Yet they didn't, why? Was the actual plan just to stir up some and then let Erdogan win, to prod him into becoming harsher than he already was and then lead Turkey into becoming a dictatorship?

    Doesn't make any sense.

    If we are going to assume this wasn't just a failed coup but a false flag, we should go with the obvious one which is Erdogan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SorelusImperion View Post
    And it has been answered. In fact you have a literal visual and accustic example of an "Opposition leader taking up the stage and critizizing the policies of the Nazi Party" right before you.
    Right before me? Where?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Emperor Arcturus Mengsk View Post
    Although we know the CIA was behind several coups and rebellions in the past, I don't understand how this coup could be a CIA plan.

    I'm not saying that CIA can't fail, they historically can.

    But...

    They knew were Erdogan was, they could have easily taken him out amidst the chaos by various means (assasination,shooting his plane down), and the blame would go on the coup.

    Yet they didn't, why? Was the actual plan just to stir up some and then let Erdogan win, to prod him into becoming harsher than he already was and then lead Turkey into becoming a dictatorship?

    Doesn't make any sense.

    If we are going to assume this wasn't just a failed coup but a false flag, we should go with the obvious one which is Erdogan.
    CIA is only as good as the men who serve it. Gulenist soldiers are totally terrible as these guys get their officer status not because they are good but because they are Gulenists. They could not catch him while he was at Marmaris and when he was at the plane, they probably didn't come close to him. Don't forget that most of the army and the air force stayed loyal to the government.

    There were only 14 CIA agents reported during the coup and those guys were probably advisors and communication officers. If CIA used its own members to assassinate Erdoğan, probably Turkey today was governed by a military junta. But that was a big risk, imagine a few CIA agents killed while attacking Erdoğan, that would be another "bay of pigs". Can you imagine Russia's and EU's reaction? As they can not risk it, CIA trusted FETO. Most probably, the CIA guy who is responsible from this operation is having really hard time right now explaining to its superiors why they failed. And the secret services are pretty draconian in the face of failure. I bet most of the people who knew about the CIA coup are already dead and the rest will follow them soon.

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    Right before me? Where?
    The Quote ? the Video ? Read ? Watch ? Hear ?
    Frederick II of Prussia: "All Religions are equal and good, if only the people that practice them are honest people; and if Turks and heathens came and wanted to live here in this country, we would build them mosques and churches."
    Norge: "Give me a break. Nothing would make you happier than to see the eagle replaced with a crescent."

    Ummon:"enforcing international law will require that the enforcers do not respect it"
    Olmstead v USA:"Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a lawbreaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. To declare that in the administration of the criminal law the end justifies the means-to declare that the government may commit crimes in order to secure the conviction of a private criminal-would bring terrible retribution. Against that pernicious doctrine this court should resolutely set its face."








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    Quote Originally Posted by SorelusImperion View Post
    The Quote ? the Video ? Read ? Watch ? Hear ?
    Ah, yes, a quote in German, and two non-working videos, posted after I already responded to the original version of the post. Very smooth. Even if I take what you say at face value, does it mean the opposition leaders will soon be arrested?
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    So an asylum seeking general was allowed to participated to a NATO meeting ...
    http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/Def...&NewsCatID=359

    No wonder Turkey is deeply suspicious of US and NATO

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    so erdog's gone rogue and full traitor by siding with putin:

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    Since when having a friendly relationship with Russia has become "treachery"? Cold war is over hello. We were already friendly before the plane shooting.

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