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    Default Re: Historical 12th century illustrations of northern Italian soldiers

    Interesting way of depicting, what I assume to be, mail hauberk... Or a surcoat made of Swiss cheese. It looks odd, am I seeing things? http://www.warfare.altervista.org/12...rchivolt-5.htm

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    Thorolf was thus armed. Then Thorolf became so furious that he cast his shield on his back, and, grasping his halberd with both hands, bounded forward dealing cut and thrust on either side. Men sprang away from him both ways, but he slew many. Thus he cleared the way forward to earl Hring's standard, and then nothing could stop him. He slew the man who bore the earl's standard, and cut down the standard-pole. After that he lunged with his halberd at the earl's breast, driving it right through mail and body, so that it came out at the shoulders; and he lifted him up on the halberd over his head, and planted the butt-end in the ground. There on the weapon the earl breathed out his life in sight of all, both friends and foes. [...] 53, Egil's Saga
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    Default Re: Historical 12th century illustrations of northern Italian soldiers

    I find this ones lack of an entire mail legging even stranger;

    http://www.warfare.altervista.org/12..._Cathedral.htm


    About your hauberk, there is always the issue of whether one image depicts another version of mail or something else.

    For instance, the two armored blokes at the front are not exactly imagined/depicted as wearing the same type of protection;

    http://www.warfare.altervista.org/12..._frieze-lg.htm

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    Default Re: Historical 12th century illustrations of northern Italian soldiers

    Its called broigne. Another kind is featured somewhere on Bayeux tapestry.

    Here old french quote then explanation in english about it:
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    At the end of screen, is mentionned Johannes de Janua(a genoese so), he described one these kind of armor, however wasn't contemporary of 12th cent...

    mascled armor is ofc different from "broigne trelicé", but still its an contemporary alternative to iconic mail suit.

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