Clearing Up Misconceptions about IRAN

[Heidar]

First I want you people to know we are exactly fallowing our Imams footsteps and we do what they did,we don't do what they didn't,we love what they loved,we hate what they hated ,we believe in what they believed and...
Here is our Imams brief description and their remarkable characteristics:
1. Imam Ali:braveness,acting with justice even to family or your enemies(he didn't allow his son-Imam Hassan- to kill the person tried to assassinate him until he died 2 days after the day he was terrored),helping the orphans and the poor people,generosity,obeying the Islam obligations and the prophets orders and being merciful towards enemies.(if you want to know more;he has a book named"Nahj al Balghah" consist of his letters to the provincial governors and every speeches of him and his Hadiths(orders and famous sentences)): http://balaghah.net/old/nahj-htm/eng/index.htm

2.Imam Hasan:generosity,renowned in praying so much,showing kindness to everyone,forgiveness,humbleness,hospitality,patience and bravery.full biography: http://en.wikishia.net/view/Imam_al-...ujtaba_%28a%29

3.Imam Hussain:humbleness,generosity,wisdom,knowledge,continence,helping the poor and orphans,decisiveness,self-esteem and sacrificing every thing to spread the true Islam.His most famous hadith is:"death with dignity is better than living with disgrace" You can read more here: http://en.wikishia.net/view/Imam_al-...%27Ali_%28a%29

4.Imam Sajjad(Ali ibn Hussain):best worshiper and prayer,patience,forgiveness,humbleness,helping the poor and orphans and feeding the poor. http://en.wikishia.net/view/Imam_%27...Sajjad_%28a%29

5.Imam Baghir(Muhammad ibn Ali):perfect wisdom and knowledge,sharing knowledge with every one,generosity,showing kindness to everyone and Restraining anger. http://en.wikishia.net/view/Imam_Muh...-Baqir_%28a%29

6.Imam Ja'far:sperading Islam,teaching the sience to every one(many of his student became inventors and architects and scientists),he found Islamic jurisprudence(Feqh),generosity and hospitality. http://en.wikishia.net/view/Imam_Ja%...-Sadiq_%28a%29

7.Imam Musa(Moses):self-esteem,patience and ...same as the others. http://en.wikishia.net/view/Imam_Mus...-Kazim_%28a%29

8.Imam Reza:asceticism and worshiping,humbleness,generosity,patience and so on.He is the only Imam that his shrine is in Iran. http://en.wikishia.net/view/Imam_%27Ali_b._Musa_al-Rida_%28a%29

9.Imam Jawad:generosity,courage against the dictators,avoidance of luxury and forgiveness. http://en.wikishia.net/view/Imam_Muhammad_b._%27Ali_al-Jawad_%28a%29

10.Imam Hadi: praying hardly,librating slaves,helping the poor,remarkable knowledge and hard working ,... http://en.wikishia.net/view/Imam_%27...l-Hadi_%28a%29

11.Imam Hassan Al Askari:generosity,asceticism,patience,teaching many people the true Islam and making them ready for the Last Imam who disapeared from the eyes. http://en.wikishia.net/view/Imam_al-Hasan_b._%27Ali_al-%27Askari_%28a%29

12.Imam Muhammad Al Mahdi:he is our last Imam.He will return when his 313 elite companions are ready and will unite the world and bring peace to everywhere.I suggest to study more about him:
http://en.wikishia.net/view/Imam_Muhammad_b._al-Hasan_al-Mahdi_%28a%29
http://www.inter-islam.org/faith/mahdi1.htm
https://www.al-islam.org/shiite-ency...-imam-al-mahdi

[Heidar]

I was talking about 19th century American views of the Ottomans.

I speak on behalf of shias not the sunnies.As I said before every era has its own traits.

Zayd ibn Thabit wrote the Quran. Ali copied the manuscript and his has survived.

how do you know he copied?very curious about it.
Imam Ali was the first muslim after the prophet,he was the prophet's son in law and cousin and groom and again the Zayd ibn Thabit wrote the Quran??it's nonsence.

Every Christian accepts the four gospels.

I did not say they don't accept.I asked another question.

He was a dick.


It's only a novel.


In most cases Americans have done remarkably less than we could have or ought to.

and here you run out of reasons.you are taking refuge under your insults.did I insult your opinions and ideology?if not why are you doing this?

The third most peaceful and reasonable part of the middle east after Israel and Turkey? Arguably the most peaceful but less reasonable.

why less reasonable?
you didn't mention yours.war war war war!

No, I think moving to one of the most anti Semitic places on earth was probably a bad decision by the Zionists but they had an iron will and the Palestine belongs to them now. I think Gaza will always seek violence and should probably be destroyed, its people scattered to the winds, and replaced with Jews. I think the West Bank should be free of Jewish settlement and left to self govern as a protectorate of Israel.

very glad to hear even one American disagrees those bastards.
But destroying and eliminating a whole race doesn't look like barbarism and Genocide to you?
you don't see Palestinians as human being.do you?

No I don't like Saudis. They're the most chauvinistic new money fanatic bastards in the world. Unfortunately they've bought our friendship.

finally we share one view!
you should stop supporting those childkiller cowards.at least vote for one who'll do that(with respect to your personal decision)

We will have to agree to disagree. Mohammad was in my opinion a very impressive dark age king. Ali may even have been a good king, he seems like a better man than Mohammad.

Muhammad wasn't a king!neither Ali was.they only had a simple and small house.Muhammad suffered from many problems in his way and he didn't ask even one penny from the people.he always lived as simple man without any luxury.
Why he is a impressive dark age king in your opinion?

Mohammad is about as convincing a prophet as the Mormon Joseph Smith.

lol.I really admire the Americans sense of humor.our nations have this in common.
but why are you saying this?

I'd like to be allies with Iran. I'd love Iran to fix itself. Neither of these require us to fight.

It's the second thing I agree with you.

Is there a scriptural basis for no killing or is this another "well ali didn't do it"?

Are you ready for another"well Ali didn't do it"?
just kidding!The prophet said:if you kill an innocent person is like you've killed every human in the world.
you can see after every battle he showed mercy to the civilians and surrendered soldiers.

[Col. Tartleton]

I speak on behalf of shias not the sunnies.As I said before every era has its own traits.

Persians have one of the best records concerning slavery regardless of religion or era. I think this is probably more cultural than religious. Slavery existed, but it was largely limited to forced labor from debtors or foreign conflicts and they were protected legally against violence and over working.

how do you know he copied?very curious about it.
Imam Ali was the first muslim after the prophet,he was the prophet's son in law and cousin and groom and again the Zayd ibn Thabit wrote the Quran.it's nonsence.

It was my understanding Zayd was his scribe and was later given the task to codify Mohammad's revelations by the Caliphs.

I did not say they don't accept.I asked another question.

The gospels were written in Koine, by Greeks, in the Greek style. They have more in common with the Hadith. It really doesn't matter if they're true in the same way it matters that the Quran is true.

and here you run out of reasons.you are taking refuge under your insults.did I insult your opinions and ideology?if not why are you doing this?

You asked what they thought. I put it mildly. They thought he was an obvious fraud, false prophet, warlord, rapist, slaver, demagogue, brute, and so forth. Honestly they were kind of amazed anyone believed such an obvious conman, but we used Islam (despite there being effectively no Muslims in the US at the time) as the extent to which we were committed to freedom of religion and secularism.

why less reasonable?
you didn't mention yours.war war war war!

How many times do we have to invade Iraq before you forgive us?

very glad to hear even one American disagrees those bastards.
But destroying and eliminating a whole race doesn't look like barbarism and Genocide to you?
you don't see Palestinians as human being.do you?

You'd be hard pressed to find an American outside of Washington D.C. who has anything nice to say about them.

Of course they're human beings. I'm only advocating violence against Hamas because they're awful and have no reservations about killing Palestinians or Israelis. Though I think the best way to bring peace is to relocate the people of Gaza somewhere else so they stop attacking each other. Fatah is a genuine national political party advocating for Palestinians and while I don't recognize Palestine as a distinct country, there's clearly an Arab nationalist movement within Israel.

finally we share one view!
you should stop supporting those childkiller cowards.at least vote for one who'll do that(with respect to your personal decision)

That's why I'm voting for Trump. He may not like you people, but he's against getting involved in your petty disputes. He's a bomb ISIS guy, not a arm the Syrian rebels guy.

Muhammad wasn't a king!neither Ali was.they only had a simple and small house.Muhammad suffered from many problems in his way and he didn't ask even one penny from the people.he always lived as simple man without any luxury.
Why he is a impressive dark age king in your opinion?

He united the Arab tribes and gave them a purpose and law. Like Genghis Khan united the Mongols and gave them a purpose and law. Or Cyrus united the Persians. Or Alexander the Great uniting the Greeks.

He's one of the great men of history. I'm just not convinced he was more than a savvy opportunist.

lol.I really admire the Americans sense of humor.our nations have this in common.
but why are you saying this?

Joseph Smith was a con artist from New York who managed to convince a large number of people in the US he was a prophet and eventually they formed our state Utah which we now are supposed to respect as a legitimate religion. He had a habit of having new revelations to justify his behavior whenever it was convenient and even his wife called him out for it. I believe similar things happened with Mohammad and they engender similar skepticism.

It's the second thing I agree with you.

Of course.

[Infidel144]

I am telling you that islam has forbidden killing people or every barbaric act you think.

Interesting. So Al Tawba 9.5: "When the sacred months are over, slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Take them and confine them, then lie in ambush everywhere for them. If they repent and establish the prayer and pay the obligatory charity, let them go their way. Allah is Forgiving and the Most Merciful."
Kill [faoqtuloo/qatala/qatl] the mushrikun until they convert...
and 9.29:
"Fight those who neither believe in Allah nor the Last Day, who do not forbid what Allah and His Messenger have forbidden, and do not embrace the religion of the truth, being among those who have been given the Book (Bible and the Torah), until they pay tribute out of hand and have been humiliated."
And again with the qatala/qatl this time the jews and christians until they submit to the rule of Islam and pay the jizya (or alternatively convert).

[empr guy]

Are you ready for another"well Ali didn't do it"?
just kidding!The prophet said:if you kill an innocent person is like you've killed every human in the world.
you can see after every battle he showed mercy to the civilians and surrendered soldiers.

Well I guess "Innocent" has a very strict and narrow pro muslim definition. Did the Banu Qurayza receive this divine mercy of mohammads?

[Col. Tartleton]

Yeah but they were Jews, so how could they be innocent or civilians?

[Dragus]

Still proselytizing instead of making legitimate geopolitical or socioeconomic points? Then no more kiddie gloves.

You really need to be conscious of your audience. You're not talking to fellow Iranians, you're talking to the rest of the planet. The more you make arguments based on your religious beliefs, the more you'll keep turning people against having any sympathy for you or your country.

For starters, we are not inferior to you because of our love of pleasure and luxury. We don't see the avoidance of luxury as a mark of virtue, we see it as the mark of a good slave. The western world will never be slaves. Especially not to religion, and especially not to a religion most of them see as outside their own cultures, such as Islam.

When you try to convince people to be sympathetic to Iran with arguments based in religion, you actually tend to make us more eager to replace your government with a sane and secular one sooner rather than later.

[Roboute Guilliman]

Still proselytizing instead of making legitimate geopolitical or socioeconomic points? Then no more kiddie gloves.

You really need to be conscious of your audience. You're not talking to fellow Iranians, you're talking to the rest of the planet. The more you make arguments based on your religious beliefs, the more you'll keep turning people against having any sympathy for you or your country.

For starters, we are not inferior to you because of our love of pleasure and luxury. We don't see the avoidance of luxury as a mark of virtue, we see it as the mark of a good slave. The western world will never be slaves. Especially not to religion, and especially not to a religion most of them see as outside their own cultures, such as Islam.

When you try to convince people to be sympathetic to Iran with arguments based in religion, you actually tend to make us more eager to replace your government with a sane and secular one sooner rather than later.

I don't even consider these islamic propagandists as iranians. Its the first time, I came across Iranians with such opinions. But well I live in the west, my family left when they had their revolution and turned things to . All I can say is good luck, maybe one day Iran will be a serious country again, but I guess not in my life time.

[zarmehr]

Interesting. So Al Tawba 9.5: "When the sacred months are over, slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Take them and confine them, then lie in ambush everywhere for them. If they repent and establish the prayer and pay the obligatory charity, let them go their way. Allah is Forgiving and the Most Merciful."
Kill [faoqtuloo/qatala/qatl] the mushrikun until they convert...
and 9.29:
"Fight those who neither believe in Allah nor the Last Day, who do not forbid what Allah and His Messenger have forbidden, and do not embrace the religion of the truth, being among those who have been given the Book (Bible and the Torah), until they pay tribute out of hand and have been humiliated."
And again with the qatala/qatl this time the jews and christians until they submit to the rule of Islam and pay the jizya (or alternatively convert).

Ahhhh........i'm really sorry my friend.There's an misunderstanding or you try to the theard.Those parts of Quran speaks about the infidels who are hostile to Muslims throughout history.we call them [kafare harbi/کافر حربی/those infidels who fight with muslims]. Of cource there is also another groups of infidels or [People of the Book/اهل کتاب/ahle ketab] that muslims are trade with them and some times they are ally with muslims in their wars and even we allow to marry with them.It seems you still didnt saw those parts about the friendship with other religions in Quran.

Still proselytizing instead of making legitimate geopolitical or socioeconomic points? Then no more kiddie gloves.


You really need to be conscious of your audience. You're not talking to fellow Iranians, you're talking to the rest of the planet. The more you make arguments based on your religious beliefs, the more you'll keep turning people against having any sympathy for you or your country.


For starters, we are not inferior to you because of our love of pleasure and luxury. We don't see the avoidance of luxury as a mark of virtue, we see it as the mark of a good slave. The western world will never be slaves. Especially not to religion, and especially not to a religion most of them see as outside their own cultures, such as Islam.


When you try to convince people to be sympathetic to Iran with arguments based in religion, you actually tend to make us more eager to replace your government with a sane and secular one sooner rather than later.

Unfortunatly some of posts about islam makes us to answer them otherwise as the thread name implies its about clearing misconceptions about iran and really some despicable and offensive posts makes us feel bad about Westerners.

[Bobington]

One of my friends is Bah'ai and is from Iran. He confirmed they speak Farsi but his recalls the country to be much more totalitarian, and his (rather rare) religion forbidden.

[zarmehr]

One of my friends is Bah'ai and is from Iran. He confirmed they speak Farsi but his recalls the country to be much more totalitarian, and his (rather rare) religion forbidden.

Baha'is are free to have their religious ceremony.But Baha'i is not a religion.its more like a cult.Like ku klux klans and they give sopport by israel and they act against beliefs of other iranians.I dont think in all countries,the government gives full freedom to those who want to overthrow it.I think that's why they call Iranian regime totalitarian.

[Infidel144]

Ahhhh........i'm really sorry my friend.There's an misunderstanding or you try to [****] the theard.Those parts of Quran speaks about the infidels who are hostile to Muslims throughout history.we call them [kafare harbi/کافر حربی/those infidels who fight with muslims].

[side note, using swear words such as you did above is frowned upon by the moderators and may result in administrative actions, you may wish to edit your post accordingly]
You initially wrote: "I am telling you that islam has forbidden killing people or every barbaric act you think."
I just gave two verses in which muslims are commanded to kill unbelievers until they convert or submit and pay the jizya. Also, you need to support your assertion, since your simple assertion is not evidence of your claim.

Of cource there is also another groups of infidels or [People of the Book/اهل کتاب/ahle ketab] that muslims are trade with them and some times they are ally with muslims in their wars and even we allow to marry with them.It seems you still didnt saw those parts about the friendship with other religions in Quran.

I just quoted 9:29 which says to fight (qatala/kill, massacre, slay) the People of the Book until they submit.
Friendship, allies? Perhaps you can quote ayah 51 from Al Maida for us?

Earlier you had stated: "The prophet said:if you kill an innocent person is like you've killed every human in the world."
How about quoting the whole ayah for us, and the following ayah as well?

[Raubritter]

You realy have to ask yourself how low are standards around here now that clear agitation just gets accepted and taken around here but you cant say the word .

[Heidar]

I'm so busy right now with my job.our holidays has ended so sorry if I couldn't answer to your imaginations of Islam,Iran and the prophet.
Just try to avoid fighting in this thread.we are all humans we all want peace and good life.if we are muslims and you are atheist or... it doesn't mean we must be enemies.we all hope for peace and unity.
And have this advice from me:don't be so negative.every thing has some negative pionts atleast try to see the good parts too.only seek for beauty not the other things.
I hope you'll understand it one day.
Farewell for now.

[Raubritter]

we all hope for peace and unity.

No we don't.

[fkizz]

zarmehr there are all kinds of conspiracy theories on what goes or not in Iran, and hard to distinguish true from false information. Some people have wanted war with Iran for decades, other see it as a retarded waste of time and lives.

What would you recommend on doing in such case of confusing sea of information?

[Lord Oda Nobunaga]

If we are going by what Muhammad said then it is obvious he wanted his family to succeed him. In that sense Shia Islam is correct.
But for me it is a non-issue because that was like 1400 years ago so I really don't care. If anything Shia Islam is being way too political in demanding a descendant of Muhammad to rule as world Caliph. Actually in Iran there are Imams who wear black hats, those are descendants of Muhammad and they are given money by the state for being so. This originates back to the days of Muhammad where he basically made a tax so that people would give money to him and his family and have them set for life.

[Fanest]

Is it possible to buy a beer (or some other alcoholic beverage) in a shop of a small sized Iranian town? Also do u have any friends that do alpine climbing with ice axes and such (in winter time)? What sports do u do in general?

[snuggans]

Baha'is are free to have their religious ceremony.But Baha'i is not a religion.its more like a cult.Like ku klux klans and they give sopport by israel and they act against beliefs of other iranians.I dont think in all countries,the government gives full freedom to those who want to overthrow it.I think that's why they call Iranian regime totalitarian.

one of the previous questions i asked was if Iran favored Persian Shias so much that it begins to be detrimental to other minorities, i received a half answer about Khameini being Azeri, then i see posts like these quoted above, and it sorta confirms what i wanted to hear. thank you zarmehr for being at least a bit more truthful

"Ba'hai is more like a cult, like the KKK, and they send money to Israel, so they don't get full freedom"

now THAT is REAL Iran:

"Since the Islamic Revolution of 1979 Iranian Bahá'ís have regularly had their homes ransacked or have been banned from attending university or from holding government jobs, and several hundred have received prison sentences for their religious beliefs, most recently for participating in study circles. Bahá'í cemeteries have been desecrated and property has been seized and occasionally demolished, including the House of Mírzá Buzurg, Bahá'u'lláh's father. The House of the Báb in Shiraz, one of three sites to which Bahá'ís perform pilgrimage, has been destroyed twice.

According to a US panel, attacks on Bahá'ís in Iran increased under Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's presidency. The United Nations Commission on Human Rights revealed an October 2005 confidential letter from Command Headquarters of the Armed Forces of Iran ordering its members to identify Bahá'ís and to monitor their activities. Due to these actions, the Special Rapporteur of the United Nations Commission on Human Rights stated on 20 March 2006, that she "also expresses concern that the information gained as a result of such monitoring will be used as a basis for the increased persecution of, and discrimination against, members of the Bahá'í faith, in violation of international standards. The Special Rapporteur is concerned that this latest development indicates that the situation with regard to religious minorities in Iran is, in fact, deteriorating."

[Lord Oda Nobunaga]

It's interesting that Baha'i are seen as a cult in Iran. In China the Falun Gong are seen as a suspicious cult. Much like how in America most people see the Klu Klux Klan I guess, but a better comparison might be the Westboro Baptist Church. Though none of these groups are persecuted in America.