ATTENTION EB II HISTORIANS TIME SENSITIVE, I am in need of a personal favor I think only you guys could help me with. (serious)

[deus_eggs]

Hey guys, this is a pretty personal (big) favor I need help in. Like the title says I think only you guys can help me with this because i'm not sure who else to ask. First off I love the blood sweat and tears you put into the history side of this mod I really do. I kind of treat it like "playing" a text book to an extent. But due to the time sensitive nature I have to cut to the chase. My cousin was born a few days ago, I will be much older than him but that is besides the point. The point is he has not been named yet. My ethnic group consist of the descendants of the Scythians/+ Indo-Scythians I cannot go into extensive detail due to privacy and time reasons, but rest assured we are indeed their descendants (it is common/folk knowledge including the names of tribes which still hold ancient references)I need for you guys to tell me where you found the names of the ancient Saka- Rauka, Sarmations, and other Scythian names in general IN THE NON GREEK pronunciations if you can. You can list them, shoot me the links to the sources for them, or tell me which ones are a stretch and which ones are not. I am afraid our culture is being wiped out due to political and religious reasons and I want to suggest this name to my uncle in an effort to preserve our roots. Few of us still practice a nomadic life-style but they are there none the less. Ossetians have tried to revive their culture, however they are also to a large degree "caucasized" among other things. **** The names of individuals (male) and or the names of gods and deities

I will be indebted to you for ever. Thank you so much.

[Boogie Knight]

Hopefully an EB historian will be along shortly, but in the meantime have you had a look at the Bibliography thread? It lists the books they used for info on each faction/culture, including the ones you're looking for. There's a slim chance (and fortunately I think it's very slim) that whoever their expert on these cultures was isn't around anymore. I'm fairly certain I read a while ago about that happening with another culture's historian for EB but I could be wrong or they might've found a replacement. But the books might be worth checking out in the meantime, assuming that option's available to you.

I know absolutely nothing about your culture beyond what little I've read in this mod (I tend to play factions some ways west of there) but props to you for keeping it alive, and good luck with your search for a name.

[Rafkos]

Really nice that you want to keep your traditions alive I'm not sure if a historian responsible for this part is around, however as Boogie Knight posted you can look at this thread
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...m-Bibliography
Hopefuly you will find the answer.

[deus_eggs]

Thanks for the responses guys at least I have a place to start now. Thanks again for taking the time, means more than you know

[z3n]

This is from one of our historians;

Hi deus_eggs, khaurz sairay (may you live/be well)


I've worked on Sauromatian and Sakan names, here are the lists of the personal names, with ancient reconstructed forms (mostly taken from inscriptions written in Hellenic). However note that they do not go further than the 1st century AD as we omitted other names since they occurred after our time period...


These are the Sauromatian ones:

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Abiyaga
Khsazagar
Khsaradwats
Khsartamar
Khsarton
Khsidafarna
Khsidaspara
Khsifarnauga
Alutaga
Amaspada
Ardar
Ardaraga
Arzaron
Sfarwaya
Alakhsarat
Amaramara
Amazaspa
Anagawa
Araifarna
Aspaga
Aspahuraga
Aurasaspar
Badaga
Baga
Banar
Bewaraspa
Bradakes
Dadaga
Dalosaga
Dandakhsarat
Danuwarazmaga
Zarzana
Eubarnaga
Eunon
Fadaraza
Fadanama
Farnuga
Farziau
Fida
Furtaga
Gatala
Gezandara
Ansazaga
Iragar
Irambust
Yafaga
Yasandanaga
Yawaga
Yazadaga
Yesgudai
Yaudasmaga
Karza
Karzawadas
Kenakhsarat
Khazanaga
Khaufarn
Khaurakhsada
Khaufazem
Khaurawatsa
Khaurzaman
Khumbewara
Khunar
Kuzhar
Limanaga
Madusaga
Matukha
Maraga
Matian
Maza
Mazaspara
Mewaga
Mugasaga
Nawaga
Ausigasa
Osmaraga
Pidan
Pidanfarnaga
Radagausha
Radama
Radamasada
Rasauga
Rapaga
Raukhaspar
Sadayamaga
Sadaspar
Sandartsa
Saragas
Sarakhsaza
Sawagas
Sawraga
Saudarar
Saufarna
Sauromaga
Sawaga
Sawarmaga
Seraga
Sayaga
Sauraga
Spadana
Stawaga
Stauraga
Staurana
Saurkhaga
Tashyar
Tsagara
Tsawaga
Tsaramaga
Tuskhar
Urgar
Urgar
Urgaspar
Urgubazu
Urwastur
Warar
Warazaga
Wardanu
Wargadaga
Wakhwatsaga
Waiobaza
Zaidar
Zantaga
Zarand
Zaiwaga
Zurar[/SPOIL]


While these are the Sakan ones:


[SPOIL]Arshakæ
Arthyæ
Arazatæ
Azæ
Azalijæ
Frakamakhshæ
Jihonyakæ
Kharahauvastæ
Kharavalakæ
Khratakæ
Ryakæ
Manyakulæ
Maukæ
Mayakæ
Hukshaharæ
Padikæ
Razavaræ
Spatakatamæ
Spatahauræ
Spatarijæ
Zamapatikæ
Aspavarmæ
Aubherakæ
Bhumakæ
Nahapanæ
Kuzulakæ
Dainapavæ
Haurashadæ
Zatanamanæ
Damizatæ
Hiye
Achayakæ
Hauramrundæ
Kshaharatæ
Ulanæ
Shurasæ
Kharamase
Majæ
Hadabaræ
Nadæ
Diyakæ
Namaraudæ
Kalukæ
Kharashamachæ
Damizatæ
Tsashthanæ
Rshvadatæ
Artavataukhmæ

If you want there are also these names, they belong to the Asana, known as Wusun by Han sources. They are also Iranian nomads related to the eastern Skythian tribes:

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Nartamay
Rapakæ
Wankamay
Kshamay
Boræ
Wanæ
Natse
Kamaknay

Unfortunately I have not yet worked on western Skythian names, except in few cases appearing in descriptions, but if you want you can check the book "Славных предков имена" by Цагараев М.А. listing Skythian names as well. Should you select one I could apply sound laws for reconstructed forms


Overall should you pick some I might be able to provide you with their meaning as well. If you prefer private messages you can find me at the org as Arjos.

[deus_eggs]

z3n thanks so in much dude. So crazy how you greeted me with those words. in my language today, you say "Kher Saray" for the direct version of that. Common phrase though is, "Pa Kher ralay?" Amazing thank you so much

[deus_eggs]

Hey one more thing I'm not really familiar with the org is that a website or are you using a short hand name for something that everyone knows? I wanna pm you for the meaning of a few of them

[z3n]

It is not actually me it is one of our historians. He does not have a profile here on twcenter so he asked us to post his message here for you.


Here is his profile on the org, where you can message him.

[Funkmaster Rick]

Is it strange that I find this thread heartwarming?

[Imperial Pudding Head]

You're not the only one man

[Rad]

Keeping traditions is nice. Just don't make the lad lead a horde when he grows up... better still, don't make him lead a horde at all. Toddler invasions are catastrophic.

[Lancastrius Maximus]

This whole thread is awesome. Real historians helping a "civilian" reconnect with their roots.
Deus, if your uncle does choose a name from the list please let us know here

[deus_eggs]

I'll let you know if he decides to go against the tide of religious/social pressure and reps our ancestors. And as far as the horde thing, I know in the 21st century its a little archaic to hope for, but in my culture his name is supposed to aid him in doing just that! haha

[Rad]

Could he at least not hit Europe?

[deus_eggs]

lol na we'll leave europe pretty. Those syrian's beat us to it. though I shouldn't make jokes, at all.. lol

[Ἀπολλόδοτος Α΄ ὁ Σωτήρ]

I thought Alans/Irons/Ossetians, whatever name you prefer, already have unique names, whats wrong with Aspar or Respendial? Late Antiquity names not good enough, you want even older names?

lol na we'll leave europe pretty. Those syrian's beat us to it. though I shouldn't make jokes, at all.. lol

Europe is dying. You should lead your people to colonize Mars and rename it to Alanastanae.

[deus_eggs]

Would you like to call your name with a foreigners pronunciation? Or pronounce it in your own language? Nomadic peoples have a way of disappearing into whatever they arrived. Why should I adopt an Arabian name when I am not an Arab? Religion? Should a Chechen be called Abdullah? Should a Russian be called Vijayslav Indiaovsky? Its comical. I'm gonna go ahead and guess you are Greek. Is modernity not enough for you? Take on the Syrians, become a Muslim, Adopt Arabic names and stop drinking wine especially when listening to your decadent music. Like your fathers (if you are Greek) did to the Syrians in antiquity, you should let the Syrians do to you in modernity.

Get my flow here?

(btw I am not Ossetian or from Kavkaz)

Having all that said I acknowledge your point, the above is simply my opinion. Because you enjoyed continuity of your culture and values you are in a position to find it silly. The ancient names have modern versions in my language however with invasive religious elements, it becomes hard to remember whats what. I was simply searching for non religious-ethnic names. If the values you found dear and agreed with were being infringed, believe me you begin searching as well.

[Boogie Knight]

It's all sunshine and roses until someone turns it nasty. This is why we can't have nice things.

[Ἀπολλόδοτος Α΄ ὁ Σωτήρ]

I'm not mocking your quest to find ancestral names, my point is simply that cultures change and adopt from other cultures. You said: "Should a Russian be called Vijayslav Indiaovsky? Its comical." - Yes it does sound funny, however many russian names are not slavic. Dmitry, Feodor, Irina and many other are russian renditions of greek names, while Tatyana, a name mostly associated with eastern european women is actually of latin (roman) origin. Almost all peoples have adopted foreign culture and religion-derived names, ie. English have names such as Basil, Cyril, Cyrus, Darius - greek and persian names respectively.

As for me, my culture and cultural continuity... The name of my father and my name are roman names, the only difference is in the ending, instead of us they end in os. My culture has changed dramatically in the past eighteen centuries. The language has changed - not as much as languages tend to change; and so have the customs - to a quite degree; and religon - Orthodoxy was, until a few decades ago, almost inseparable from being greek. The name "Stavros" wouldn't make much sense two thousand years ago and now it's one of stereotypical names for a Greek. There is indeed a cultural continuity but not the exact same culture.

Since you are not Ossetian and I presume, a Jasz, since those two are the last linguistic successors to Sarmatian and they are as cultures aware of this origin, albeit Jasz no longer speak an Iranian language, I suppose you live somewhere on the Ponto-Caspian steppe or on the banks of Syr Darya or Amu Darya, and your experience is similar to mediterranean Turks (and numerous other peoples) whom I've met vacationing and who claim to descend from Greeks - which is true for the most part, people tend to mix, and some of them, while they look "mediterranean" might (and they probably do) have some actual Altaic-Turkic ancestors.

I have nothing against them going back to "greekness" or becoming Phrygians or Hittites or whatever ancestral culture they wish to resurrect or rejuvenate and in the same vein I'm not ridiculing your desire to be what ever you are or desire to be.

It's all sunshine and roses until someone turns it nasty. This is why we can't have nice things.

Nasty? Words are not nasty - they are merely tools for communication... and they are quite nice.

[deus_eggs]

, I will simply respectfully disagree with you. I don't care to argue with you, I got the help I needed. Though again, I see your point but you will never see mine. Language and Customs have obviously changed. I was making a point with the slavic name thing. Don't try to pick apart the analogy I made it to make a point, which if I may say so myself I knew you would pick apart. I understand many Russian names are not Slavic.That is precisely my point. Religion begins to intrude on a culture, the strength of the culture dictates what stays and what gets amalgamated. Would you tell native Americans to be happy with their fate because times people and customs change? No.

Your other statement claiming the last linguistic successors to Sarmation is irrelevant; they are one branch of a wide classification of Scythian. Your geographic location attempt was closer. My experience is nothing like the Turks who have Turkic genetics around 10-15% of the pop. Please stop making assumptions with such definitive confidence, it is a tad arrogant (though I apologize if this was not your intention). It would be the same as me trying to tell you about your "Greek experience". In fact it is quite typical of you to make the Turk comparison as a Greek. You did not understand my final point about the Syrians in Greece. Read it again. Look at the big picture.

And in the spirit of returning to the warm fuzzy space we were in before, know that I will not respond to any further "arguments" you make. Didn't come here for that. But I respect your view none the less, I maintain my disagreement. If what is happening to my folks happened to you, you would know better. Use your position of comfort to understand the plight of others instead of giving the ​go with the flow reasoning. You have to be the change you want in the world and all that good stuff.