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    As Shimazu I tried to invade Chokosabe's island with two armies and one general, but now can't proceed because of their agents. I regret not giving attention to my own agents. It was for peace, the Takeda are allied with Hojo and Date, I accepted alliance with Takeda because they're terrifying, though so is my faction. I kept good relations by not risking detected agents against them and now I'm paying for it against the Chosokabe. They have 2 spectacular monks, one of which used to be mine, two great ninjas, a super metsuke, and a decent geisha. My own new geisha seems incompetent even when she has 59% chance of success. Every turn there's sabotage and other attempts. Moved my general to the outside army to prevent them being bribed, but may get assassinated. What to do? Save scumming doesn't work, and I've never been this far into a Shogun 2 game before.

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    The geisha's are surprisingly disappointing. They only assassinate, there isn't really a passive activity they can do to level up. They end up being only oh-so-marginally better at assassinating than ninjas, who have so many more options. Probably best for you would be a combination of monks and ninjas to take care of marauding enemy agents. Metsuke can make so much money for you in towns that it's a shame to pull them out to take out agents. Even when successful they often only imprison. Having one Metsuke on the 'front lines' is probably a good idea though as a stop gap measure when ninjas & monks fail to do the job

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    Hey I'm also playing Shimazu! Looking at your screenshot was eerie because my game is almost like that! Except that that castle you have in Shinkoku island, I made a vassal instead, which became the sole province of the newfound Soga (or something )clan.

    Realm Divide erupted some turns ago, and I'm starting to see agents come at me, in the mainland. Good thing I can recruit all 3 agents from Nagato to the borders. This is agent war will be a rock paper scissors game. A Takeda monk has converted one metsuke already. I have to erase him with a ninja. But they are enemy ninjas around, so I must have a metsuke for them, which in turn is suspeptible to monks. Jesus christ. My veteran agents are disappearing; I'm have to swarm them.

    Wow, Takeda and Hojo having eaten up almost everything in your map. In my play, I'm still entangled with the Takoka, and the Hatekayama are still respectable.

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    Default Re: What's the best agent for dealing with a variety of agents?

    I'd say the Ninja is overall the most rounded; still reasonably capable of taking out Metsuke with full Assassination skills, eats Monks for breakfast and has the best counter-agent skill in Escape Artist. If you go full Spy/Military Spy they're reasonably hard to detect provided you take good odds and don't sit around near castle towns. If you play with vanilla agent/general skill points you can spread out and get down to 3/3 in Ninjutsu which makes them great all-rounders, or 2/3 and max out Escape Artist (recommended). I like to have two even three Ninja for my main stack, one with full movement/sabotage (you can move some crazy distances and keep enemies locked in place for easy stackwipes) and one for taking out/distracting enemy agents.

    Metsuke can get Strength of Will 3/3 for 2% less than Ninja in terms of survivability, get easily converted by rank 1 Monks and as wiesel mentions are far more useful as magistrates in high-value provinces. Shame you haven't got a Ninja specialist province, being able to recruit fresh rank 4 agents with the appropriate tech/buildings is extremely handy. Geisha are a waste of time, a novelty at best sadly.

    You can always willingly let a province rebel and use it as a training ground for your agents, or keep a weak clan alive for the same purpose.

    I'd say get your generals out, let the AI mess around with the garrison as long as it wants (they'll spam demoralising/sabotaging if there's no other targets) and hit and run the other Chosokabe provinces until they're finished...or if rapid conquest isn't an option try finding forest/hilly forest to hide in, and have your Ninja scouting for the army so the agent spam has a harder time finding you.
    "My life is no longer my own, my word worthless.
    But duty goes on, while there is breath. It is all I have left."


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