Dawn of War III

[Wulfburk]

Though ya i bet they will be playable in multiplayer and skirmish, just not in the campaign.

[Inhuman One]

Heh well at least they would be the logical choice for a pre order race or such.

Could be cool though if they really plan to build on this game and add many more races over the years, unlike DW2 which didnt get many. Tyranids in exchange for Necrons, Tau, Dark Eldar and Battlesisters is a very poor trade.

[Col.KanKrusha]

Yes, unlock necrons in skirmish and multiplayer for early adopters (speculation)

[General Retreat]

If necrons are the enemy, should they not be playable as well? If you fight against them in the campaign the models would be there anyways. I'd reckon they could be the pre order bonus then.

Considering the Necrons weren't playable in Winter Assault where they were the final antagonist in the last mission, that doesn't necessarily hold true. Mods took the game models and turned them into a playable race, but they were effectively included as an easter egg for the expanded race roster for Dark Crusade.

I'm personally happy with the reduced race count. Hopefully they'll be able to tell a more coherent, tight story using that cast, instead of the sprawling and generic mess that Retribution ended up as. Honestly, I'd even be happy with the campaign being locked to the Spess Mehrens and going for a narrative mission-based system instead of a territorial map along the lines of DC/DoWII.

Really happy about the larger scale as well. Will be really neat if they take Col. Tartleton's suggestions and make SM's a fluff-friendly level of deadly, with the Orks a simple carpet of green and the Eldar a fragile force that's suitable devastating if micro'd capably with abilities. ...A bit like the system in Armada, come to think of it.

[Col.KanKrusha]

I agree with the reduced number of races both for a coherent story and for balance purposes in multiplayer.

I disagree with "fluff strength" space marines unless you mean table top space marines which is the true fluff!!! Every race has some ridiculous super strength description of it at some point in the fluff, space marines the most. I just don't think 1 marine killing 100s of orks would work for balance. Plus then you would have to have the super-ork who can kill marines who would be so much more powerful than regular orks it would break within-race balance.

Plus the sheer numbers of orks required would completely stuff pathing.

What I really want is a good home for the community that is not the company site, like gamereplays used to be for dow2. Give me a community I can love

[Påsan]

Flippin Terminator this looks awful. Complete fail.

[Sir Adrian]

Looks like a silly mobile game. Gonna skip this because of the art style and BS like a 1 ton man in 2 tons of armor doing flip-flops.

[Wulfburk]

Yeah my hype has been quite diminished...

[Diocle]

It looks like Starcraft, or a silly mobile game as said Doc Shuu, it's exactly the opposite of what I like.

[Anna_Gein]

The beginning looked like a MOBA

It seems like I will skip the game.

[Karnil Vark Khaitan]

why use assault marines, then terminators can jump so much around.

[Col. Tartleton]

But he's the force commander and he must dunk the xenos!

[athanaric]

So I heard they got rid of the cover systems, but they have tall grass for units to hide behind (instead of, you know, both). This game is indeed becoming more like Starcraft, whic is a real shame since we don't need a clone of a game which is the best in its own, simplistic but competitive niche. DoW should be very different from SC, otherwise it's pointless.

[Påsan]

I spent so much time on Dow2, its among my favorite strategy games, and got every expansion on Dow1.

I'm not going anywhere near this.

[hellheaven1987]

So the beta test starts recently; from the recent reviews I have gathered, it seems that DoW3 is more like a large scale DoW2 (like three times amount of units you can have) than DoW1.

[Sir Adrian]

Looks more like a starcraft clone to me, to be honest.

[Carach]

So the beta test starts recently; from the recent reviews I have gathered, it seems that DoW3 is more like a large scale DoW2 (like three times amount of units you can have) than DoW1.

whilst the latest trailer makes the game look appealing, i am not fooled; None of it's proper gameplay, and the gameplay videos i have seen turn me straight off. This has been the case since the game was first shown.

Shame they took this blatant money grabbing direction with the IP but i cant say its a surprise - we knew it was in danger when the publisher collapsed the other year.

Dawn of War 3 doesn't exist to me, a bit like the last Indiana Jones movie and Anchorman 2

[Diocle]

IMO Sanctus Reach is far better. At least the units look like 40k minis and not like a ing clone of Starcraft which in turn was a ing clone (a bad one) of 40k.

[BroskiDerpman]

Looks more like a starcraft clone to me, to be honest.

How could DoW3 be a starcraft clone (I'm not talking about visuals) unless if you extend the similarities to how the game is an RTS. The gameplay is more akin to League of Legends or DoTA which are both mobas and share the characteristic of having very strong static defenses as a stalwart against rushes that occur in traditional RTS games such as Starcraft or Command and Conquer (The latest starcraft expansion is similar pacing to Command and Conquer now). MoBA was a genre developed out of how RTS felt too challenging to some players who found controlling one hero and his/her own items, etc more enticing than controlling multiple heroes as in warcraft along with army + workers + building placement + when to expand into new bases + where to expand base, etc.

I'm not too keen on the game but to repeat it is not a starcraft clone in gameplay when the focus is more on a slower pace with the towers, less base building, and a focus on hero units which existed in Dawn of War 1 and Warcraft 3.

*One big difference between DoW3 and MoBA is that there is less static towers, you control multiple heroes rather than a single one, you created your own army rather than scripted generation of monotone mobs, there are different maps with different layouts thus having different playstyles, all units are controllable with 250 popcap along with teching and unique faction playstyles.

I personally would've been fine with the heroes as they were in DoW1 but I disagree with the Tower gameplay along with SEGA being the publisher which ensures massive waves of DLC which plagued Company of Heroes 2 from being a good game multiplayer or singleplayer. Multiplayer was adversely affected with the currency system and DLC Commanders. TW was also ruined thus I stopped buying them.

Additionally I don't understand why there is no annihilation or Victory Point mode which was a staple in Relic's games even in DoW1 that had a archaic form of VPs along with annihilation, etc.
The increase in population cap to the default game mode is welcome, better than 200/200 cap. Hopefully more can be modded for custom game mode but the 250 per player should be kept to maintain performance and keep within the scale of the map and resource allocation/ resource rates.

Conclusion?

I'm rather mixed, probably give it a go if it's any good during a sale. Definitely not a Starcraft clone gameplay wise ; the visuals are questionable in where I personally think DoW2 got those right but the gameplay with DoW2 felt like a less enticing version of Company of Heroes and it shows with the player count multiplayer wise for that game along with tournaments hosted which pale in comparison to the much venerated CoH1 or even CoH2.

Often forgotten is perhaps the singleplayer, I'm not expecting anything amazing or enticing. I liked the Dark Crusade Campaign when I played it ten years ago though but DoW3 is probably nothing like that.

[hellheaven1987]

DoW2 is more faithful to tabletop game anyway.