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Napoleon Bonaparte
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Leonardo Da Vinci
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Hannibal Barca
So basically, we can just recruit a few Elite hellenic units and the rest are AOR units meaning i can recuit only one AOR unit type and a few elite hellenic units?
Alright, so we need actually to Hellenize our regions to recruit the regular hellenic units, meaning we should establish new cities?
Looks like i'll have to redo my purchases and stuff again then
Last edited by Mary The Quene; April 30, 2016 at 12:45 PM.
Veritas Temporis Filia
Yeah there is a pool of elites from Alexander's army. Some Silver Shields and Hetairoi. I filled in with a few AOR units.
Impossible is a word to be found only in the dictionary of fools.
Napoleon Bonaparte
While I thought that I was learning how to live, I have been learning how to die.
Leonardo Da Vinci
If I cannot find a way I will make one.
Hannibal Barca
So we have to hire these units to start off with? Because at the high cost of these units this is something that most of us couldn't even do because we don't have enough points. I could grab like 4 of these but have trouble paying their upkeep, and 4 of these units would be fairly useless for me.
As far as I can remember there was scarcely a Diadoch who didn't have at least 8000 troops under arms.
Wouldn't it be better if the starting army was more diverse with it's units, like have more phalangitai and peltasts etc?
Maybe make it so that everyone gets a certain amount of Argyraspides and Hetairoi from the start as a standing army for Hellenic satraps and a certain amount of eastern units for the other satraps. Or make it so that people can recruit any units on the first turn for a total of say 15,000 to 20,000 troops (assuming they have the money).
Also what AOR units can you get in places like Anatolia, Syria, Babylon and Egypt? We should expand the AOR units then to include new units.
Also I think we should be able to make agreements with satraps to be able to recruit units from their territories so that you can get certain AOR units, maybe even be granted permission from the regent to recruit Hellenized troops from Greece itself but at a longer recruitment time.
If we can't recruit Hellenic troops from the start on then we should expand the AOR roster, some regions have like only one AOR unit, which isn't much if you have to rely only on AOR and expensive elite troops from the start on.
It doesn't make much sense, i can't even recruit missile units apart from the expensive elite Hypaspistai who are a mix of heavy peltastai and line footmen. neither can i recruit missile units from the AOR list.
we should at least divide the Regular Army of Alexander so that we might use some medium hellenic units like the Phalangitai from the start on, this should get us bigger numbers aswell because with the current system with only AOR and Elite units it will be hard to get the actual numbers that the diadochoi yielded
Also, Barry, shouldn't Philip III get his own thread, he's king and he's an adult so we could interact with him
also how much points do you gain from trade?
Last edited by Mary The Quene; April 30, 2016 at 03:27 PM.
Veritas Temporis Filia
I'm actually not sure on this one. Elite army sizes at the start were actually quite small for some satrapies. Most of the difference was madeup with local troops or mercenaries. So it makes sense for us to start off with an elite core of Macedonians and then build up with natives or mercenaries to round out our forces. I actually agree with Barry and current units, because we already have quite alot.
And I do like Oda's suggestion of reaching agreements with other nations or satraps to hire their AOR units. Would definitely add another dimension to the game.
As for trade
Half of your trade partner's yearly income rounded down at every turn.can enter a trade agreement with a maximum of two other players, or one player and one NPC (only through a random event wherein another power sends diplomats to talk to you). Every agreement is mutually beneficial: both parties will gain extra revenue equal to half of the other's income at the end of every turn, rounded down. Breaking a trade agreement, with or without declaring war, will also hurt both: they will lose an amount of points equal to half of the other's turnly income, again rounded down. Agreements with off-map NPCs (ex. the Romans or Carthaginians) will bring in a fixed income.
Impossible is a word to be found only in the dictionary of fools.
Napoleon Bonaparte
While I thought that I was learning how to live, I have been learning how to die.
Leonardo Da Vinci
If I cannot find a way I will make one.
Hannibal Barca
So basically for example for the trade agreement with Aristazanes, his income of his 3 provinces (all 3 provinces are red) combined and half of that number is what we agin from it (1.5 points)
Veritas Temporis Filia
Yep.
Impossible is a word to be found only in the dictionary of fools.
Napoleon Bonaparte
While I thought that I was learning how to live, I have been learning how to die.
Leonardo Da Vinci
If I cannot find a way I will make one.
Hannibal Barca
Well my point is really that most of us don't have any AOR units?
But at the very least I think we should increase the recruitment pool for Hellenic units on turn one. So I'm good with the Argyraspides or Hetairoi but can we also get same Phalangites like 40 units, Peltasts 40 units, prodromoi 20 units etc etc etc for all of these Hellenic units. I mean it's not like retired veterans wouldn't be willing to come back for service or something and any number of unemployed, non-land owning Hellenes wouldn't just go join an army somewhere.
Look at all the AOR units Persis has
I only have two, but they just serve as filler for the army.
I don't see the need for the lower tier units when we can take the higher tier ones now and you can recruit those once you Hellenize. Or hire AOR or even hire mercenaries if needed. I honestly don't see why you guys need lower tier Hellenes straight away?
Impossible is a word to be found only in the dictionary of fools.
Napoleon Bonaparte
While I thought that I was learning how to live, I have been learning how to die.
Leonardo Da Vinci
If I cannot find a way I will make one.
Hannibal Barca
Impossible is a word to be found only in the dictionary of fools.
Napoleon Bonaparte
While I thought that I was learning how to live, I have been learning how to die.
Leonardo Da Vinci
If I cannot find a way I will make one.
Hannibal Barca
I have plenty I thought; I have more variety available right now, especially if I expand into Media and Elam, but later, after Hellenization, the Diadochi will have more than me.
As for Hellenization itself, I believe it actually allows you to recruit the elite units first, the normal units later.
Take a look for yourselves. 2 turns in, you can hire Elite Hellenic units for twice the price (and twice the time?), then like 6 turns in I think you can hire the Normal units for twice the price/time.
This probably represents that Hellenization would go to your best men first, them getting the best equipment and training before you have enough to spread it to the whole army, standardizing it.
Hellenizer trait halves that timetable at the risk of a rebellion in the province. So you can technically get it done in only four days which isn't bad. And checking you have alot more unit diversity lol.
And Isabella where in the world are you getting over 64 points to spend when your provinces are only worth 20? Trade agreements, traits, etc don't effect your starting income at all. You should have 40 since your total provincial income is 20.
Impossible is a word to be found only in the dictionary of fools.
Napoleon Bonaparte
While I thought that I was learning how to live, I have been learning how to die.
Leonardo Da Vinci
If I cannot find a way I will make one.
Hannibal Barca
Putting all my cards on the table here..
I may just have to RP as a Hellenophile (to the degree of the historical Mithradates' of Pontus), so that I can reasonably interact with my Hellenic neigbhors. Because otherwise I have little to do for a while, until the Macedonians start fighting each other; I can't start a war when the Empire-loyal neighbors have more than twice my troops
True that. But it will definitely get far easier for you once we're bogged down with Greeks, revolts by players, and possible NPC invasions.
I think we'll be starting the game proper once Ace finishes his Greek roleplay and all of us finally figure out starting economics and recruitment.
Impossible is a word to be found only in the dictionary of fools.
Napoleon Bonaparte
While I thought that I was learning how to live, I have been learning how to die.
Leonardo Da Vinci
If I cannot find a way I will make one.
Hannibal Barca
Yo, so who's not trading yet?
Impossible is a word to be found only in the dictionary of fools.
Napoleon Bonaparte
While I thought that I was learning how to live, I have been learning how to die.
Leonardo Da Vinci
If I cannot find a way I will make one.
Hannibal Barca
I have two slots open if anyone wants to trade with Baktra.
I've got both of you if you want it. Want to send a messenger to Pella or should the Regent?