Conquest: 1066 AD - Charlemagne Mod

[demagogos nicator]

Great to see a mod being developed based on this timeframe.

[VINC.XXIII]

The French fleur-de-lis wasn't used until the 12th or 13th century. The symbol of France should be the oriflamme, which dates back to Charlemagne, and was used in the early 12th century, perhaps even 11th.
I think that the top part of the oriflamme would be a good icon. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...flamme.svg.png
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That oriflamme is specifically the one used during late gothic era(1460 and soon)..., its the Sole Raggiante, the Razza Viscontea(look on google), its was adopted lately by western Europa. Its have nothing to do with early oriflamme which could have been plain red.

By the way I remember same english from Rose war used this symbol. Nothing specifically french in it.

[Eldgrimr]

Yeah, I've thought about it, and I can't really make up my mind about what symbol to use for France. Any suggestions?

[VINC.XXIII]

The lilies were used from Dagobert times, you can go with this, en- semis like I've written earlier. If its mentionned that lilies were only adopted in 12 th century, its mostly because formalization of heraldry started at this period. In other terms from the reign of Louis VII(1137-1180).

like that:

https://fr.fotolia.com/id/49765433

[Eldgrimr]

Alright, we'll use that.

[Three Eyed Crow]

Still very excite.

[Linke]

Ok we will have the factions (hautevilles and probably León because Castille has only minor towns) you chose, I need to make them playable and also do the family trees of the playable factions. Then it's onto units where Snipetale has already been texturing kite shields for a while.

[Three Eyed Crow]

Ok we will have the factions (hautevilles and probably León because Castille has only minor towns) you chose, I need to make them playable and also do the family trees of the playable factions. Then it's onto units where Snipetale has already been texturing kite shields for a while.

If it will save you time I'm happy to research family trees etc. What are the final playable factions?

As a side note is it possible to mess with family and the available generals and governors stats and traits for game start?
Loyalty stat is what I'm driving at here, which I think for playable factions should be lower for some and higher for others based on the history of said person to add some depth?

There's also a cool mod on Steam Workshop at the moment called Age of Italia. Lots of units you might find useful for non playable factions south of the alps and on the Italian peninsula. By the same guys is also Age of Vikings, if you want some nordic inspiration. Lastly given Byzantium are unplayable might be cool to give them some Varangians and or some former Varangians for Harold Hardrada given he served there before he took the crown of Norway.

[LinusLinothorax]

This is probably my most anticipated Attila mod.

[Linke]

If it will save you time I'm happy to research family trees etc. What are the final playable factions?

As a side note is it possible to mess with family and the available generals and governors stats and traits for game start?
Loyalty stat is what I'm driving at here, which I think for playable factions should be lower for some and higher for others based on the history of said person to add some depth?

There's also a cool mod on Steam Workshop at the moment called Age of Italia. Lots of units you might find useful for non playable factions south of the alps and on the Italian peninsula. By the same guys is also Age of Vikings, if you want some nordic inspiration. Lastly given Byzantium are unplayable might be cool to give them some Varangians and or some former Varangians for Harold Hardrada given he served there before he took the crown of Norway.

I already have them researched and made about half in the last couple of days. After them it's fixing an issue with names and also make a couple of factions playable before moving on to units (for my part). We are making them ourselfs using assets from others if we can but not entire units, also those "age of" mods don't add units right?
For playable factions I posted them earlier (though I still feel like a italian city state would be more unique than Italian normans)

[Three Eyed Crow]

I already have them researched and made about half in the last couple of days. After them it's fixing an issue with names and also make a couple of factions playable before moving on to units (for my part). We are making them ourselfs using assets from others if we can but not entire units, also those "age of" mods don't add units right?
For playable factions I posted them earlier (though I still feel like a italian city state would be more unique than Italian normans)

Ok rad.

Re Age of mods, I don't believe so? but there's enough variation to make it entertaining. Re itialan Normans i suppose it depends on your point of view. I was hoping city States(eg Salerno, Naples and Byzantine Bari) would be non playable but very powerful AI factions to check your playable Normans. If you wanted to get adventurous maybe these city states have Lombard units that could be added to your roster once conquered(I don't know if this is feasible).
Italo Normans also used Saracen levies to great effect as well as Greek conscripts so to me(obviously biased) there is heaps of unit options.

[Linke]

Ok so plans changed a little, here's an update.
I redid startpos and have done all family trees, almost all playable + everything else (for unhealthy 12 hours)
I'm not moving on to units directly, Instead my work will be focused on campaign until we have a playable beta version excluding units, I will seek help/cooperation from medieval kingdoms then.
We have decided on all but one of the 12 possible playable factions

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

These cover every culture and region on the map already, so we have quite some freedom in choosing the final one, tell us wich it should be!

Scotland
+ Important for 1066, unique units/playstyle
- cramped starting position (similar to kingdom of isles), rather small roster


Toulouse
+ unique starting position, a bit different from france with catalan and occitan light and mercenary units
- another (3rd or fourth) french faction with same military type


Obodrites
+ Very relevant, important king waring with diverse enemies, unique position, german/slavic/pagan/german mix
- ?

Denmark
+ only chance to see entire viking roster, important players in 1066 aftermath
- similar to vanilla

Brittany
+ Relevant for 1066 conflict, a bit unique french/celt mix
- in reality mostly another french faction, cramped starting position with one type of enemy for many provinces.


Other?
Feel free to tell us why you would like another final faction and wich of course

[Moon_Man]

You did a very nice job and I'm sorry for being a bit demanding, but I think I'm speaking for a lot of people here,

will we be seeing any Byzantine involvement in Italy?

also I vote for the Kingdom of The Danes

[Athos187]

Hey I have an idea regarding the normans. What do you think about having it so that the county of apulia and normandy are all part of the same faction since they are both norman? It would free up another playable faction and it would make it a more unique campaign experience. You get to do fight in the north and the south at the same time. Other than that I think Denmark would be the best choice for the other playable faction. It gives the player freedom of movement and there aren't any playable factions in that corner of the map at the moment.

[Linke]

will we be seeing any Byzantine involvement in Italy?

also I vote for the Kingdom of The Danes

Yes the final Imperial stronghold at Bari has yet to fall, and the emperor has sent his fine general Mikael Maurex to stop the norman tide, before Robert Guiscard may invade Greece.

What do you think about having it so that the county of apulia and normandy are all part of the same faction since they are both norman?

No, it's a good idea too free a faction slot but: it's unhistorical, it will result in a crippled ai, I think they are actually more unique if not combined.

[♠ Thomas Cochrane ♠]

I hope you greatly reduce all movement points. this will simulate a larger campaign map, and make conquest take longer for AI

[You_Guess_Who]

I hope you greatly reduce all movement points. this will simulate a larger campaign map, and make conquest take longer for AI

With the exception of Naval Fleets. In fact, I hope naval fleets should much more long-ranged (Vikings can sail from Denmark to British Isles in a week).

The real reason amphibious assaults are so terrifying is that they can attack without warning at an undefended place, sack, then go away before reinforcements can come. Amphibious Assaults are, in another side, very vulnerable if they fail to establish a beachead or assaulting a fortified position.

Also, naval battles of the era wasn't done on high seas. Its very hard for two opposing fleet to meet on the high seas if fleets can hop from shores to shores quickly. This also minimizes AI Army Cruise Trips, since they'll arrive quickly and not dilly-dallying in the high seas.

For balance, make Armies can only embark through ports.

Seas should be something that connects, rather than only as a barrier.

[LinusLinothorax]

I think I will elaborate the Obodrites a bit: They would be a pretty unique faction, just because they are one of the few archaic Slavic cultures left in 1066. They also have a very tough starting position with a strong Christian leader (Gottschalk), but with mostly pagan subjects preparing for rebellion (Historicaly Gottschalk was assassinated in June 1066). Unitwise, they would roughly resemble Poland, which sadly isn't on the map.

My vote would either go to them or Scotland.

[Charerg]

It's a tough call, but I feel my vote has to go to the Scots. Since the mod focuses on the Norman Invasions, I think the Scots need to be in.

Obodrites could be interesting as well, but maybe a bit close to HRE in terms of units, I guess? That, and I feel that the Danes would need to be playable if the Obodrites were. I guess Croatia could be replaced with the Obodrites as the "Slavic faction" while adding the Danes, since I don't know if Croatia is really essential as a faction (both because they're located "on the border" of the AoC map, and because they weren't that powerful historically).

But if only one faction slot is open, Scotland would be my choice.

[Linke]

From what I gathered Croatia was at it's "peak" in this time, that's why I added them (also to get a slavic faction). Maybe they are to irrelevant anyways, though I do find the whole southeastern situation quite interesting with hungary, croatia, carinthia, venice

Otherwise dropping an italian faction is a possibility, for them I did two to illustrate the big difference between northern communes and souther norman feudalism