Medieval Kingdoms Total War: Kingdom of Sweden

[banskie100]

Lol why are you talking to yourself now visarion?

[Visarion]

Identity crisis.

[Slytacular]

Birger Jarl

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Actually based off of King Birger, but this would be the Swedish King's generic tier 1 look after King Eric the Survivor.

[Minnesinger]

His crest is truly splendid ! You probably already thought about it but I wonder if these shoulder protections named "ailettes" in french were common in 1212 or if they appeared later on. It seems by the illuminations I have found that it is more a mid-XIIIth century to mid-XIVth century equipment, a period that is not covered by your early rosters nor the majority of your high ones, however I could be wrong. It is just a suggestion but the insertion of these ailettes to your assets could be a good way to add more variety to the knights' equipment.
Here is a link that offers a good amount of representations of ailettes on illuminations :
http://manuscriptminiatures.com/sear...ttes%22&page=1

[Slytacular]

Yeah, we don't particularly depict the early 14th century too much because they almost resemble the 13th century minus some introductions of armour like kneecops and spaulders. I'm very familiar with illuminations, and I've been staring at the stuff for two straight years now. For Sweden, I'm only paying attention to the art that comes directly there or around Scandia. France has a lot of quality illuminations like the Maciejowski Bible, but I think if you look solely at France for ideas, everybody in Western Europe is going to look French.

[Slytacular]

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[Knight2708]

Yah some more colors! What unit is that?

[Slytacular]

Yah some more colors! What unit is that?

Ugh. You're right. It needs more yellow and blue.

These guys will be the Borg Swordsmen. In Old Norse, Borg means castle/stronghold/city/town/fortification.

[Linke]

Nice! Just dont give coas to bondir and militias etc. Also add some beards?

[Kjertesvein]

I think if you look solely at France for ideas, everybody in Western Europe is going to look French.

Yeah. In fact, the primary official reason why King Haakon Haakonson of Norway declined the offer given by the King of France to transport and lead the french army to the crusade in the 13th century was because of the contradictory nature between Frenchmen and Norwegians, as King Haakon feared it could lead to irreparable damage along the way. To the people 750 years ago, it was not the same "Western European culture" that we have today.

Btw, those coat of arms shields in the other picture look a bit like two other Swedish shields from the 1380. Anyway, awesome stuff.

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~Wille

[Slytacular]

@Linke, Beards in this game look a bit too overly exaggerated and Galatian with the exception of Charlemagne's beard, and they don't seem to fit any of the coifs without some obvious clip. They're not neat and trimmed.

Thanks Wille!

[Visarion]

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I love the way you used the mix of colours introducing also the Royal blue and yellow and red and yellow. It's nice to see some colour. It's like you see the Aurora for the first time. Are these mercs or smth? They don't seem Norsemen.

[Slytacular]

I love the way you used the mix of colours introducing also the Royal blue and yellow and red and yellow. It's nice to see some colour. It's like you see the Aurora for the first time. Are these mercs or smth? They don't seem Norsemen.

On the later half of the 13th century, a lot of Germans start migrating over to Swedish controlled areas to populate the cities after Birger Jarl's reforms. These people were referred to as "Knekts" by the Norse. With new people and culture brought over, it wouldn't be strange to see German styles of equipment used in Norse armies as depicted in the early 14th century. However, a lot of the new assets aren't borrowed by German art, these were replicated from a variation of Norse art.

[Konrad S]

Execpt idk do it really need more yellow and blue that was not that common during medievals and the armies where quite colourful, there was no swedish flag, only thing was really that the ruling houses sheilds had yellow and blue on them.

[Artacus]

Amazing work, I love that you use the coats of arms of Swedish medieval noble families for the infantry.
However imo using an ä for the Frälse and Hälsinge hunters makes a big difference in terms of authenticity. Also longbowmen were called långbågeskyttar (like the Danish langbueskytter in the mod).
Do you know when the next 1212 update is coming?

[Slytacular]

Thanks! I might eventually switch over to native names since my co-developers keep edging their way out of naming their units in the English language. I still have unique models to create for Sweden which is why I've been pretty quiet about its development. Update is possibly within a few to a couple of months. No promises.

[Artacus]

Amazing, I'm hyped!
However, were the round shields of the viking age really completely phased out by the early middle ages? I have no idea myself, but in the Stainless Steel submod "Battle of the Baltic", there are units with that in early period.

[Slytacular]

Round shields in concept didn't phase out, but the round shields you find from the Oseberg ship burial would be outdated in the 13th century. Scandinavians still had their own unique look, just not the 7th-10th century look everyone imagine them to be.

[Artacus]

I like the faction, but it is very barebones compared to the bigger ones.

Some thoughts:
High and Late period spearmen are necessary
Elite archers (also in my opinion just calling the existing archer unit Levy Archers is better, all archers weren't from Hälsingland, and they weren't all hunters)
More variation among the knights, as well as knights for all periods
Early, High and Late bodyguard units

I made an album with some of the coat of arms used the nobility during the middle ages, and when they came into existence. More colorful units is (almost) always a plus imo.https://imgur.com/a/4Kixz95

[blackfang12]

I dunno if this is the right place to suggest it, or if it has been suggested before, but maybe the Swedish Knight Unit should be a top tier Elite unit? As knighthood in medieval Sweden could only be bestowed by the king himself, usually for great and valiant deeds on the battlefield (though of course there were some that got it simply because they got the kings favour). Thus it can be reasoned that many with the title of knight are the cream of the crop of the Swedish military elite, as it was a quite exclusive honorary title to have.