Medieval Kingdoms Total War: Campaign Map Master Thread

[riskymonk]

I have to say that I really think some people here probably need to lower their "suggestions" a la demands with regard to some of the potential factions.

Mod will never come out otherwise.

[Veaceslav]

that's realy great job!!! but can you include Moldavia not like emergent faction because they fought hard with muslims to save the Orthodox religion, so that its important to and they(Moldavia) are not so emergent at that period

[Orthodox Alliance]

SORRY ABOUT THAT BUT YOU HAVE DONE SOME GREAT HISTORICAL MISTAKES...
1ST:GREECE WITHOUT THE CITY OF ATHENS WITH PROVINCE CALLED ATTICA DOES NOT EXIST
2ND:RUSSIA WITHOUT MOSCOW DOES NOT EXIST ALSO NOT ONLY AS EMERGED FACTION
3RD:THE PROVINCE OF CORINTH IS CALLED PELOPONESE BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT CITY OF THAT AREA WHERE MYSTRAS NOT AS EMERGED FACTION
4TH:THE GREATEST CITY OF CRETE WHERE HERACLION THERE IS NO EXIST CITY CALLED CANDIA IN CRETE
THERE IS NO MOTIVATION WITHOUT THESE CITIES PLAYABLE FROM THE FIRST TURN
BOTH ATHENS AND MOSCOW HAD VERY IMPORTART ROLES AT THIS PERIOD FOR THEIR NATIONS AND YOU HAVE IF IT IS POSSIBLE TO CORRECT IT BEFORE YOU RELEASE IT
I UPLOAD A MAP OF THAT PERIOD TO UNDERSTAND THE MEANING OF THESE CITIES

THANX

[lion8000]

For which year is this map because some territories doesn't seem right.

[bigdaddy1204]

If I remember rightly, the cities in Attila: Total War can't be changed. The Medieval Kingdoms Total War team is forced to use these cities.

[PhilipO'Hayda]

Ireland// starting difficulty, I dont know. I dont think it should be a starting faction.
Techinally the Lord of Ireland was the King of England. I don't think Ireland should be its own starting faction. Maybe someone else can research into this more. but the last High King of Ireland before 1212 died in 1198.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarchy_of_Ireland


Wales //Starting difficulty Legendary
High King: Llywelyn the Great (c. 1172 – 11 April 1240)
Reign: 1195–1240
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Llywelyn_the_Great
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Llywel...ywelynFawr.jpg


Queen:Joan, Lady of Wales and Lady of Snowdon, also known by her Welsh name of Siwan, (c. 1191 – 2 February 1237)


Children:
Gruffydd ap Llywelyn Fawr (c. 1198 – 1 March 1244)
Dafydd ap Llywelyn (c. March 1212 – 25 February 1246) He was the first ruler to claim the title Prince of Wales.


TRADE: Maybe Scotland


Very poor relations with England

I find it funny that you want the Walsh in it but not us Irish. Your looking for Cathal O'Connor or also know as Cathal the Red hand as he is looking to go for the title of King of Ireland that is by his view rightfully the O'Conors and not the English usurpers. Although you will not see the rise of Gaelic Ireland until the scottish war of independence with the Donald clan making the most of it and becoming the Macdonalds and Investing there time in both Irish and Scottish politics and having a 2nd Gaelic golden age and the House Fitzgeralds Gaining the motto "King in all but name" When they should have taken Dublin in the late stage of the war of the Roses Hesitated and then looked to take it when Henry VII had Restored English strength crashing the Fitzgeralds and leaving Thomas FitzGerald to be Beheaded in 1537. None the less Ireland has a Fascinating and interesting History and like many other does not deserve to be cut but cuts have to be made.
By the way so far what is the Development of the Kingdom of Scotland and Ireland?? if anyone needs a historical hand on the Gaelic world, give me a shout.

[zsimmortal]

SORRY ABOUT THAT BUT YOU HAVE DONE SOME GREAT HISTORICAL MISTAKES...
1ST:GREECE WITHOUT THE CITY OF ATHENS WITH PROVINCE CALLED ATTICA DOES NOT EXIST
2ND:RUSSIA WITHOUT MOSCOW DOES NOT EXIST ALSO NOT ONLY AS EMERGED FACTION
3RD:THE PROVINCE OF CORINTH IS CALLED PELOPONESE BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT CITY OF THAT AREA WHERE MYSTRAS NOT AS EMERGED FACTION
4TH:THE GREATEST CITY OF CRETE WHERE HERACLION THERE IS NO EXIST CITY CALLED CANDIA IN CRETE
THERE IS NO MOTIVATION WITHOUT THESE CITIES PLAYABLE FROM THE FIRST TURN
BOTH ATHENS AND MOSCOW HAD VERY IMPORTART ROLES AT THIS PERIOD FOR THEIR NATIONS AND YOU HAVE IF IT IS POSSIBLE TO CORRECT IT BEFORE YOU RELEASE IT
I UPLOAD A MAP OF THAT PERIOD TO UNDERSTAND THE MEANING OF THESE CITIES

THANX

The provinces and cities in the game are hard coded and cannot be altered. You can kick and scream all you want, there's nothing we can do about this.

I find it funny that you want the Walsh in it but not us Irish. Your looking for Cathal O'Connor or also know as Cathal the Red hand as he is looking to go for the title of King of Ireland that is by his view rightfully the O'Conors and not the English usurpers. Although you will not see the rise of Gaelic Ireland until the scottish war of independence with the Donald clan making the most of it and becoming the Macdonalds and Investing there time in both Irish and Scottish politics and having a 2nd Gaelic golden age and the House Fitzgeralds Gaining the motto "King in all but name" When they should have taken Dublin in the late stage of the war of the Roses Hesitated and then looked to take it when Henry VII had Restored English strength crashing the Fitzgeralds and leaving Thomas FitzGerald to be Beheaded in 1537. None the less Ireland has a Fascinating and interesting History and like many other does not deserve to be cut but cuts have to be made.
By the way so far what is the Development of the Kingdom of Scotland and Ireland?? if anyone needs a historical hand on the Gaelic world, give me a shout.

AFAIK Ireland is not going to be a starting faction, but they might be an emergent. I may be wrong though.

[Filips Augustus]

According to the campaign map on the first page they are a starting faction.

[zsimmortal]

According to the campaign map on the first page they are a starting faction.

It will not look exactly like that, I can tell you right now. Ireland I can't say with certainty, but since it didn't exist as any kind of organized state (rather a title held by the king of England himself), I'm not sure it'll make the cut.

[Gwyhyr87]

SORRY ABOUT THAT BUT YOU HAVE DONE SOME GREAT HISTORICAL MISTAKES...
1ST:GREECE WITHOUT THE CITY OF ATHENS WITH PROVINCE CALLED ATTICA DOES NOT EXIST
2ND:RUSSIA WITHOUT MOSCOW DOES NOT EXIST ALSO NOT ONLY AS EMERGED FACTION
3RD:THE PROVINCE OF CORINTH IS CALLED PELOPONESE BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT CITY OF THAT AREA WHERE MYSTRAS NOT AS EMERGED FACTION
4TH:THE GREATEST CITY OF CRETE WHERE HERACLION THERE IS NO EXIST CITY CALLED CANDIA IN CRETE
THERE IS NO MOTIVATION WITHOUT THESE CITIES PLAYABLE FROM THE FIRST TURN
BOTH ATHENS AND MOSCOW HAD VERY IMPORTART ROLES AT THIS PERIOD FOR THEIR NATIONS AND YOU HAVE IF IT IS POSSIBLE TO CORRECT IT BEFORE YOU RELEASE IT
I UPLOAD A MAP OF THAT PERIOD TO UNDERSTAND THE MEANING OF THESE CITIES

THANX

In 1212 Moscow was nothing just a little moat. Not important city, Russian most important city in 1212 was Kiev until 1240. In 1212 Greece belong to Byzantine and capital and most important city of Byzantine was Constantinople. Athens was just an ordinary city. Heraklion is Candia. Crete was under the rule of Venice and they named it Kingdom of Candia or Duchy of Candia. And be grateful the modders did such great job with this mode.

[Charerg]

In 1212 Moscow was nothing just a little moat. Not important city, Russian most important city in 1212 was Kiev until 1240. In 1212 Greece belong to Byzantine and capital and most important city of Byzantine was Constantinople. Athens was just an ordinary city. Heraklion is Candia. Crete was under the rule of Venice and they named it Kingdom of Candia or Duchy of Candia. And be grateful the modders did such great job with this mode.

Actually Heraklion (Iraklion) and "Candia" (Chania) are two separate cities on Crete. I guess the city that appears on Attila's map is geographically closer to Chania. And in 1212 the Byzantine Empire had been sort of dismantled, since Constantinople was conquered in the 4th Crusade, and the Latin Empire established. The former Byzantine lands were divided into various duchies founded by the crusaders, and successor states of the Empire like Nicaea and the Despotate of Epirus.

The question of Moscow's importance is a bit irrelevant since those areas don't appear on the map, unfortunately.

Edit:
Actually, apparently Candia/Chandax and Heraklion are actually the same city. My mistake for confusing it with Chania (sorry about that).

[Gwyhyr87]

Actually Heraklion (Iraklion) and "Candia" (Chania) are two separate cities on Crete. I guess the city that appears on Attila's map is geographically closer to Chania. And in 1212 the Byzantine Empire had been sort of dismantled, since Constantinople was conquered in the 4th Crusade, and the Latin Empire established. The former Byzantine lands were divided into various duchies founded by the crusaders, and successor states of the Empire like Nicaea and the Despotate of Epirus.

The question of Moscow's importance is a bit irrelevant since those areas don't appear on the map, unfortunately.

Edit:
Actually, apparently Candia/Chandax and Heraklion are actually the same city. My mistake for confusing it with Chania (sorry about that).

Yeah you are right about Latin Empire, sorry about that. But still Athens was nothing in Medieval times. True with Moscow and their appearance in a map. Still tho just a moat not city

[PhilipO'Hayda]

It will not look exactly like that, I can tell you right now. Ireland I can't say with certainty, but since it didn't exist as any kind of organized state (rather a title held by the king of England himself), I'm not sure it'll make the cut.

Well we are a bit more then a title But the major Problem is that Ireland for one is no Longer recognized as a Kingdom by 1169 and the O'Conor's are no longer recognized as the King's of Ireland. This is down to Pope Adrian IV not Recognising Ireland and giving the King of England permission to invade Ireland, Interestingly Henry II had no interest in fighting a war with Ireland and even refused Stongbow from invading Ireland, which is disobeyed of Course.

So by 1212 Cathal the Red hand is in no Position to push the English crown out and although there is Loyalty and a from of Unity by the Brehon law in Ireland, We don't see the rise of the of a Independent Ireland till 1296 with the scottish war of independence,when Felim O'Conor goes to grab his Kingship of course the Pope then Recognises Scotland as the rightfully kings of Ireland which allows edward the bruce to fail an Invasion, but does give James I of Britain the right to call himself King of Ireland, which the Tudors were already doing with both the title of Ireland and France.

Regardless for the most part after the black death all of Ireland is independent other then Dublin and the Fitzgerald's even get referred to "King all but in name" But in 1212 Ireland's on the back Foot if this was 1350 I would have a real Argument but in the grand Scheme of things 1212 is not a year for the Gaelic, even if Cathal the Red hand is a Interesting character.

So what's the story with Scotland?

[zsimmortal]

So what's the story with Scotland?

I can't say for sure, but I know someone has already claimed the project. So they'll have a full roster at some point in development and be a playable campaign faction, but I'm really not the person that can inform you fully.

And if it's any consolation, I love medieval Ireland and really would've enjoyed playing such a faction, but I don't think we can start making exceptions.

[Heisenburrg]

Speaking of Moscow. Actually there is a way to get Moscow in

I´ve intensively thought about the question, how we could have a map of eastern europe which doesn´t feel so ... "tiny". Also I noticed that some cities there are on a VERY wrong place (for example Vilnius and Chernigov) and that the map itself goes quite a lot in the north and east, it offers more space than it´s used atm. If you pick some other cities the map shows its full potential and gets a much larger feel.
If you look closer, you will notice that the eastermost/northermost cities on the map correspond to Smolensk/Polotesk (russ. Polozk) or Murom/Moskow instead of Vilnius and Ryazan... so there are 500 km more to use.

So I made some changes to the map concept, which are all easy to make. Now it´s more accurate city-wise and contains a larger area of rus-states. Of course Novgorod is too far away for this little trick, but I think it gives the map a larger feeling.

Changes:
1. Lithuania is placed in the former Teutonic-Order-region, because it contains a large part of the historical lithuania-territory and the Teutonic Order still had no territory of his own in 1212, not until 1231.

2. Teutonic Order is now a horde-faction. They start at the eastern border of Pomerania and near Riga (the Riga-horde is the still independent "Livländer/Schwertbrüder"-Order, which merged with the Teutonic order in 1236). I think this fits better the faction.

3. Yotvingians could be renamed to "Baltic States", "Pagan States" or something like that, because there were many territories in this region (Principality of Pinsk, Yotvingians, Mazovia, Galicia-Wolhynia...)

4. Because Vilnius doesn´t fits the place, I would suggest to name the city Polotesk (the "most embattled rus city") or Smolensk. This is more correct location-wise and will use the full length of the map. Based on which city you choose you have the additional "Principality of Polotesk" or "Principality of Smolensk".

5. Kiev and the Kiever rus stay at the same position but the city Chernigov is much too far in the north-east. Bryansk would be more correct instead, it was a big city of Chernigov and became the capital after 1246. The faction stays the same but it could be renamed to "Severian Principalities" (in fact the same faction but contains also the Principality of Novgorod-Seversk, which was ruled by the ruler of Chernigov)

6. If you rename Chernigov to Bryansk you have to rename Kursk to Woronesch (another big city in this time) to keep the proportions to some extent.

7. And now to Moscow. It could take Ryazan´s place if you really want to have it on the map (doesn´t fit the position exactly but it´s possible). In this case you could give the northern region of Ryazan-Murom to the "Principality of Moscow" (although 1212 is a bit early for this). Another option would be to rename Ryazan to Murom.

[Heisenburrg]

Here a little picture to illustrate my idea. Please compare with google maps and the following historical maps.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

http://www.euratlas.net/history/europe/1200/
http://mapsontheweb.zoom-maps.com/image/49436112345#_=_ (around 1250-1300)

What do you think?

[zsimmortal]

I think doing that to factions like Lithuania and the TO (which might not have held territories, but the Archbishopric of Riga, the launching point of crusading in that part of the world definitely did), then also deforming the Murom province to add a migrating city of Muscovy purely for the sake of adding Muscovy is pointless. It should also not be Muscovy in that event, but rather the G-D of Vladimir.

[Danishmend]

I have realized that some of the Rum Seljuk cities have Turkish/post-Seljuk names while the two cities (Ancyra, Iconion) have pre-Seljuk original names. I think their names should be either Turkish or original/pre-Seljuk, I would prefer the latter (original names). Kayseri, Malatya and Diyarbakır can be replaced with Caesarea, Melitene and Diyar Bakr.

Original name - Turkish version
Caesarea - Kayseri
Ancyra - Ankara
Iconion - Konya
Melitene - Malatya
Diyar Bakr - Diyarbakır

[Heisenburrg]

@zsimmortal

Well, not only for adding Moscow, but also especially for adding Smolensk/Polotesk and for using the campaign map more effectively to represent all the regions UP TO Moscow. You could also use Murom or sth like that and keep the Ryazan-Murom-Faction intact instead. Adding Moscow or it´s Principalty was rather an optional idea.
I think it would make the map feel larger , but ok; it was just a thought. (though TO as new migrating power could be represented perfectly as horde)

[PhilipO'Hayda]

I can't say for sure, but I know someone has already claimed the project. So they'll have a full roster at some point in development and be a playable campaign faction, but I'm really not the person that can inform you fully.

And if it's any consolation, I love medieval Ireland and really would've enjoyed playing such a faction, but I don't think we can start making exceptions.

A! It'll be nice maybe to see Ireland as a Horde Perhaps like the Teutonic Order in the future, maybe have them like a DLC mod like Vikings age had done once the Dust had settled, Will see.