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    Default The rifled musket in civil war combat revolution or evolution?

    Based largely off the following books.

    -Battle tactics of the civil war – Paddy Grifith Yale university press new haven and London 1989
    -The rifle Musket in civil war combat reality and myth Earl Hess University of Kansas press 2008
    -General stand watie's Confederate Indians University of Oklahoma press 1998
    -The campaigns of Nathan Bedford forret's Calvary Da Capo press 1996

    Primitive weapons used in the civil war

    During the civil war not everyone had a fully functional rifled musket. More primitive and sub standard weapons were used. For a extreme example Pikes and Bowie knives were used early in the war, rocks were thrown when men ran out of ammo. Confederates were forced to surrender to the more numerous Indians equipped with bow and arrows. The sword and bayonet still played a role in civil war casualties. Saber charges were made until the end of the war . Successful Calvary charges with swords even on fortified, rifle pits positions, were successful even as late as march 1865 when the 17th Indiana did so with great success.

    Neither side could equip its army fully with the new refiled musket. The CSA started with only 10% equipped with the rifled muskets. In July 1861 Tennessee troops were armed 69% flintlock 20% smothbore 11% rifle. At Shiloh Alexander Stewards brigade had 53% smothbore and 103 flintlocks. The CSA army of Tennessee in august 1863 equipped 36% smotthbore 12% substandard rifle musket. The same army in June 64 12% still had smothbore. Many of John Bell Hoods men were still unarmed in 64. Jan 1864 Thomas Duckends Arkansas brigade “wholly unarmed”. At Fredricksburg CSA captured union flintlocks after the battle. At Gettysburg the most advanced army in war, the north had over 10% of regiments equipped with smothhbore. Many had sub par refiles as a solider of the 100th Indian stated on his regiments imported Belgian rifle “I don't believe one could hit the broad side of a barn with them”. soldiers would fire in two lines and union solider James Tinkham said “Our front rank who, were more afraid of them [ second rank] than of the rebels”.


    Rifle musket vs smothbore

    “It might be more reasonable to talk of some minor improvements over Napoleonic performance”
    Paddy Griffith Battle tactics of the civil war

    The rifle musket had better specs than that of the smothbore especially in regards to range. Theoretically it was a Superior weapon, though in combat during the civil war, its advantages were often negated. The smothbore buck n shot within 100 yards was considered equal or better than mini ball within that range. The rifle was “Claimed not proven to be better aim” within the range of the smothbore. Some generals north and south reused to “upgrade” the the rifle musket from the smothbore. Individuals, entire regiments, and generals kept the smothbore over the rifle believing it to be a better weapon. It was not a universal opinion that the riffled musket performed better.


    Combat ranges

    "It is difficult to find any evidence at all to support the suggestion that Civil War musketry was delivered at ranges much longer than those of Napoleonic times...Civil War musketry did not ... possess the power to kill large numbers of men, even in very dense formations, at long range."
    Paddy Griffith Battle tactics of the civil war Yale university press new haven and London 1989


    The average combat range in Napoleonic wars using the smothbore was around 70-100. It was thought by many because the rifle has much greater range, the combat of the civil war must have been at far greater distances. However even in modern wars such as ww2, Korean and Vietnam [ Slight less] all averaged small arms fire around 100 yards. The rifled muskets performance in battle, was not significant changed from the smothbore, neither were its ranges “Although the theoretical range of the rifled musket was several times that of a smothbore, much of the fighting nevertheless occurred at ranges equal to or only slightly more than that found during previous wars”. It was hard to see a man 200-500 yards off, plus a solider would have to work in the trajectory of the rifled musket. Various combat effects reduced the performance of the musket in civil war combat. First was lack of practice by the average solider and understanding of the muskets trajectory [ see training]. So that what a solider could do in combat vs the specs of the musket, were far apart from each other. In combat, multiple factors reduced the range of combat such as terrain ,smoke,visibility and stress reduce performance. The smoke alone on battlefield could hide large formations. Most all casualties happened within 100 yards or less, some long range firing happened 200 yards plus, but with little effect. Causalities were caused from 30-75 yards from musket fire in prolonged battles. Even than the loses were not always great, In a battle that lasted 4-5 hours at less than 100 yards, a union units total loses were just 50 wounded/killed.

    Most commanders avoided indecisive long range firefights, they did not want to waste ammo and would only allow their soldiers to shoot at 150 yards or less, some would wait for 50-70 yards to first open fire, and on some occasions 30 paces. Only experts and trained shot would attempt over 150 yards such as snipers. The French following the Crimean war removed long range sights from their rifle musket seeing it largely as a waste of ammo. Only specialized, trained skirmish and sniping soldiers took advantage of the rifles increased range. As the war progressed after years of high causalities and drop in motivation made longer ranges more often, and soldiers less likely to assault.

    Civil War battle ranges-
    Initial contact [ Keep in mind This is were the first shots were fired, often the combat would end up 30-70 yards as one side advanced or charged].Mark Grimsley calculated a average range for the entire war of 116 yards, he said smothbore was 80-100.
    Brent Nosworthy said “critical engagement” 80-120 yards.
    Earl Hess calculated for the entire war only 94 yards

    Griffith calculated
    At seven pines avg 68 yards only one reference to 200 yds [ that closed to 30 yards]
    61-62 a average of 104 yards
    63 a average of 127 yards
    64-65 average 141 yards [ only half above 100 yards]
    Overall for the war In the east 136 yards
    Overall for the west 100 yards [ Griffith said the heavy Forrest terrain reduced western ranges]
    “Decisive moment” was only 33 yards



    Fire effectiveness

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    he rifle performed very similar to the smothbore in its effectiveness in battle. Americans were viewed as generally good shooters at the time compared to Europeans. Napoleonic rates of shots fired to casualty was around .5 to .6%. Americans using the same weapons [ smothbore] in mexican war caused a causality at a rate of .8%. The civil war ratio of small arms shots fired to causality was .68 to 1.5%, about 1 causality for every 100 shots fired. At Gettysburg avg 200 rounds were fired for one casualty equal to Napoleonic times. Historians such as Allen C Guelzo calculated even lower numbers 1 casualty for every 250-300 shots fired.


    Rate of fire

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    he civil war musket could be loaded in practice in about 30 seconds by most well drilled soldiers. But just as with accuracy and range, in combat was not as impressive. The rate of fire averaged 1 round per 2.1 min [included some breach loaders]. The slowest rate was 1 shot fired every 4.6 min, the fastest recorded was 1 shot every 30 sec. Breach loaders averaged 1 shot every 12 seconds. Often faulty weapons, and lack of ammo had much to do with this. Misfires could be as high as 25%. There were 17 movements needed in the manual to load a musket properly to fire. Doing this with the noise, confusion, fear and other distractions of battle was no easy thing. In the heat of battle soldiers loaded their musket multiple times yet without firing a single shot. One gun was found loaded 23 times. Other mishaps such as unopened cartage, ball behind powder etc were common and lead to misfires. Of the 24,000 muskets at Gettysburg retrieved by the north, half had 2 rounds and 20% 3 or more [up to twenty] . 10% of muskets became unsuitable in combat. Also Commanders would conserve ammo in case of a charge from the enemy and fear of losing their ground. Units only brought enough ammo to last 30 min if they were to reload every 30 seconds. So while waiting for ammo, they would conserve it and slow the rate of fire.



    Training

    “Men fired in battle their first shots with the army rifle, the value of the rifle as to accuracy was in a greater degree lost for want of proper training”
    Stephen Benet ordinance dept USA


    Military training manuals of the day, and generals, had units spend a great deal of time drilling and cleaning their weapons, yet Target shooting was almost non existent in the civil war, target practice was“all but ignored”. There was no course in the entire united states to train men with the new rifle musket before the war. Even at the end of war 1865, there was only 50,000 federal soldiers in the federal army, the rest were state volunteers. Typical officers were citizens soldiers with no more training than the average soldiers. They spent time drilling and working on maneuvers and soldier life. Often men were involved in multiple battles before ever shooting their weapon for practice. During The 24th Michigan's only target practice, 3 were wounded and 1 was killed. The commander's reason for not practicing was “Live fire was almost as dangerous to the men who were delivering it as the enemy”. The 35th mass never held target practice for fear of other soldiers in the army reaction to live fire in the camp. However it was usually lack of ammunition that made target practice rare or non existent. Because of this, live firing long range target practice was almost non existent in either army. The 13th mass formed in august 61, had there first target practice in the spring of 64 after fighting in 6 battles. Even as late as 64 a large portion of the union army was not familiar with their weapons. General Meade ordered 10 rounds target practice for all units in spring 1864 “To familiarize men with their weapon, It is believed numerous men have been in combat without firing their guns, guns filled to muzzle with cartilages”. In General Braggs army of Tennessee not until the summer of 63 was the army given basics in loading and firing.

    Accuracy while in battle took a big hit from target practice. Crack shots while hunting or target practice as one solider put it “when in battle could not hit a barn”. The rifled musket bullet took trajectory upward passing above human level and needed special training to account for the trajectory, the smothbore did not. Yet Training schools did not start until the after the war. Men were simply told to “aim low” or at the knee to offset upward kick back of their weapon. This led to many soldiers unable to shoot accurate. As a example Around Vicksburg 25-26 June 1863 at a distance of 15 steps volley after volley were fired, with no causalities on either side. In open terrain a full volley given at 75 yards caused not one single hit, some battles that lasted half a hour at 100 yards and less caused no causalities.


    Civil war Tactics


    Many believe that the weapons of the civil war [The rifled musket] was a great improvement over the smothbore and this led the older Napoleonic linear tactics outdated and the reason for high causalities and the eventual entrenchments of late 64 and 65. This is rejected now by many historians. Many know believe the rifled musket was not a vast improvement in combat over the smothbore and that is the reason the Napoleonic tactics were still used, still effective, and the best tactics to win the engagement. The only aspect were tactics changed was in sniping and skirmishing, the only places that the new musket was able to realize its full advantages. These changes happened early in the war on both sides, both sides were fast to change tactics when the rifled musket changed warfare . The generals who were in the battles, trained with the weapons and saw the results, also were in the best position to determine the correct tactics. They chose Linear Napoleonic tactics.


    Historian Allen C Guelzo argues The gunpowder of the time produced a great deal of smoke when fired. battles began with artillery firing for some time, and skirmishers had been firing at each other for some time. By the time the main lines of infantry began approaching each other, visibility was significantly obscured. Once the infantry began the main engagement, visibility quickly was reduced to almost nil. With the lack of visibility, only massed infantry fire was effective, and this reality is reflected in the tactics of the time. Guelzo argues that rifling only truly benefited the sharpshooters on the skirmish line, who fought before their visibility was obscured, but the main line of infantry could not take advantage of the benefits of rifling. Under the stress of battle, virtually every infantryman asked about aiming on the battlefield replied that in practice, the best one could do was "simply raise his rifle to the horizontal, and fire without aiming." Eyewitnesses report entire companies aiming their rifles at a 45 degree angle facing the sky and discharging their rifles at Bull Run. Such untrained soldiers could not be expected to engage an enemy much further than point blank range with any level of accuracy. Thus Guelzo doubts that contemporary military leaders blatantly ignored technological advances. Rather, generals did not alter their tactics not due to ignorance, but because the battlefield had not changed substantially from the Napoleonic era.


    What other tactics could be used? Snipers and skirmishers were “brushed off” the battle once the main lines came into play. They could not be counted on to take and capture and hold strategic sites. Sending multiple small units in various directions would just lead to defender getting first volley and causing high causalities and a retreat. You had to mass men in large numbers in a attack to withstand volleys from the defender and counter with high concentrated fire. Or to keep up the pressure until the enemy gave way or out of ammo.



    Entrenchments

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    onstant close combat, not the rifle musket caused late war entrenchments. When general grant took command he and Sherman set out to be in constant fighting to drain the south of manpower. The close contact the armies were in from mid 64-65 led to entrenchments and fortification just as would happen in a smothbore war. During smothbore wars massive entrenchments would occur when in prolonged contact such as sieges. The constant sniping and skirmishing that took place forces men into cover. Combined with the souths losses in the first years of the war and their need to defend key locations such as Richmond, also led to entrenchments. When Atlanta and Richmond were taken, maneuvering warfare started right back up. Early in the civil war entrenchments were also used before the rifled musket became widely used. In the Franco-Prussian war 1870-1871 that involved higher weapon tech [ repeaters carbines etc] was maneuvering warfare with only light fortifications on a few occasions, not compared to the civil war.


    Attack success

    Lack of success in attack had more to due with morale, bad commands, generals not following orders or unclear orders than the impact of the rifle musket. It was much easier to coordinate defensively over miles on the larger civil war battlefield's than coordinate a successful attack. For example in 1865 5 orders were received by one unit, all contradictory. As the war progressed after years of high causalities drop in motivation made longer ranges more often, and soldiers less likely to commit fully to a assault. Veteran soldiers were less willing to die, more careful, and less enthusiastic after years of fighting. Men forced into service in drafts were also less willing to die for the cause. However the success rate of the attacking army in the civil war compared to the attack % success was close to Napoleonic times [ slight lower]. In Europe 1859-71 multiple attacks won major victories using the same tech as the civil war. Even frontal assault's on highly fortified positions could be successful till end of war.

    Maybe the battle most used to say that frontal assaults were less successful and the rifle musket changed combat was at Fredricksburg. However that battle took place over long open terrain and all the confederate guns were placed where they could fire across the entire field at all advancing soldiers. So when advancing the union men were hit from every angel. That battle had the largest % of causalities for either side, in a major engagement from artillery fire. 50% of union losses were from artillery. Artillery normally made up around 6-12% of causalities.

    At this battle somewhat early in the war smoothbores were not all the uncommon on both sides. Also The confederates had the high ground and a stonewall to shoot behind. They also had all there best shots shooting while passing back muskets to men lying down undercover behind the wall, who than reloaded and handed back loaded weapons. This tactic enabled the south to keep up a rapid fire of their best shots in each regiment for the entire engagement. Despite all this, the union actually did make a few breakthroughs in the line, but Gneral franklin with his 50,000 troops, failed to send in his men when he should have, and confederate general Jackson counterattacked and pushed the north back. But the losses for the north were around 12,500, For the south around 5,000. Given that half of the causalities reported were from artillery fire, that would bring northern causalities from the rifle musket and smothbore musket, to a total of 6,000 -6,500 against the confederates on the high ground behind a stonewall with only best men firing a rapid fire. Harley a example of a vast advantage of the musket in defensive combat.

    Than compare with Chancellorsville a few months later. The south were more outnumbered in manpower than at fredircksburg. They won the battle by a maneuvering flanking attack. The losses for the north were around 17,000. For the south around 13,000. So being attacked the north lost 4,000 more men at Chancellorsville, at fredricksburg they lost 7,500 more. Not a drastic difference given the circumstances of the attack and artillery fire at fredricksburg.



    Carbines/ Repeater

    Carbines ran out of ammo fast, were expensive and needed more supply. The early repeaters were unreliable with many unable to shoot, cost effective muzzle loader was better to produce over breach loaders. The south could not produce them in any large number and the north, because of the cost and use of ammo, did not give them to standard infantry. Generals believed [and it happened] that soldiers would waste ammo with carbines and not take careful aim. Instead they wanted the relabel cheep musket for the infantry solider. With the musket time was taken to aim and reload. However some soldiers were allowed to pay for their own if they wanted one. Shermans army had more than any breach loaders but they were a small minority still. However they were not always relabel. On may 1864 1st Pennsylvanian fired only 12-18 rounds per man per hour. In combat “Repeaters caused similar causalities to musket”.


    High Causalities of the civil war

    It is said because the rifled musket was more deadly, that led to higher causalities during the civil war. However smothbore battles led at times to even higher % loss of man in battles. The average loss in a major battle in the civil war was 9.8% Federal, and 14% confederate. The highest on either side for one battle was confederate loses at Gettysburg 30%. Compared with some Napoleonic smothbore wars and battles that is not massive. The civil war was likely a slight decline over the french revolution. The French Prussian wars losses were greater than the civil wars equaling 27% and 28%. Here are some major European smothbore battle loses.

    Zorndorf in 1758 37.5% losses for the Prussians and 50% Russian.
    Kunersdorf 1759 Russian 43% Austro-Russian 20%
    Mellwitz 1741 22.4% Prussian 23% Austrian
    Austerltz 1805 Allies lost 30%
    Leipzig 1812 Borodino 32.5% 1813 Leipzig 28%
    1745 A english force lost 50% in one attack
    Salmanca 30% english loss
    Waterloo 61% and 32%
    Albueru 1811 44% both sides
    Bunker hill Colonials 36% British 48%
    Eutaw springs 1781 23% and 34%
    Lundys lane 1814 30% and 24%
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    Sounds about right. The rifled musket could have made a bigger impact if it had a more robust logistical backing to it, where common grunts could actually be trained in its use. Even then though, visibility on the battlefields of the era being what it was before the introduction of smokeless powder, range and accuracy are overrated in a line of battle.

    The carbine might have seen better use though, if in the hands of specialized shock units rather then in the main line (the primary difficulty is in providing it with enough ammo, which might have been an unreasonable expenditure of resources on a common grunt, but fair for smaller elite units). Maybe if the Americans had a tradition for grenadiers like in Europe, but as it stands, I don't think the idea occurred to anyone in position to implement it.
    Or maybe it did occur to them, and they just didn't think that highly of the repeating carbine, or didn't want to go about the logistical and political pain the rear end of training and equipping experimental units with experimental and unproven weapons while the resources were also in demand for more conventional ventures.
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    Yeah the civil war came on to quick with massive troops to have them all trained, to fully bring out the rifled muskets potential. Calvary made good use of the early carbines for the most part.

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    Rifled musket already proved quite decisive during Crimean War, ACW just a replicate of Crimean War in far larger scale; what made ACW interesting was in reality the breech-loaded rifle, carbine and repeated rifle, which prove to be the next step of military evolution (during Franco-Prussian War).
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    Firepower counts, but so does training and accuracy.

    As I recall, McClellan drilled his men endlessly, much to Lincoln's annoyance.

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    I find it quite astounding that both rifling and iron sights were present on 15th century firearms and yet were not adopted properly until fairly recently.

    It would seem as if everyone was focused solely on the rate of fire and nothing else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marius Marich View Post
    I find it quite astounding that both rifling and iron sights were present on 15th century firearms and yet were not adopted properly until fairly recently.

    It would seem as if everyone was focused solely on the rate of fire and nothing else.
    Probably has to do with visibility. Before smokeless powder came along, the visibility after as much as a single volley (or even before the first volley, if the artillery's gotten busy first), was so poor all that extra range and accuracy were rendered pointless.
    Rifles also don't react well with scattershot charges, which are even more valuable if you're fighting up close because you can't see a bloody thing.

    We typically forget smokeless powder when we discuss the long range killing fields of the first world war that killed infantry formations for good and rendered cavalry suicidal, but in truth, it may have been more crucial to the process than the machinegun and repeating rifle combined.
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    Accuracy while in battle took a big hit from target practice. Crack shots while hunting or target practice as one solider put it “when in battle could not hit a barn”. The rifled musket bullet took trajectory upward passing above human level and needed special training to account for the trajectory, the smothbore did not. Yet Training schools did not start until the after the war. Men were simply told to “aim low” or at the knee to offset upward kick back of their weapon. This led to many soldiers unable to shoot accurate. As a example Around Vicksburg 25-26 June 1863 at a distance of 15 steps volley after volley were fired, with no causalities on either side. In open terrain a full volley given at 75 yards caused not one single hit, some battles that lasted half a hour at 100 yards and less caused no causalities.
    This blew my mind a little bit, because in order to make it through basic training in the modern Army you need to be reasonably accurate at 150 and 300 yards, and this isn't even considered a very difficult thing to do. A few weeks of training and almost anyone can do it.

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    It could be a more isolated case or even an American case(because of the use of raw recruits and militia).

    Different studies provided completely different results;

    Moritz Thierbach, taking an average of Prussian, Bavarian and French trials, he standardized the test to one involving 60 shots at a board-and-canvas target, roughly equal in size to the frontal area presented by an enemy battalion, approximately 30.5 meters long, by 2 meters high.

    From a distance of 75 meters only 60% of the bullets penetrated the target; from 150 meters – 40%; from 225 meters – 25%; and from 300 meters – only 20%.

    Not so bad eh?

    Now we come to this;

    Hanoverian experiments in 1790 showed that when fired at various ranges against a representative target (a placard 1.8 m high and up to 45 m long for infantry, 2.6 m high for cavalry) the following results were achieved: at 100 meters – 75% bullets hit infantry target, 83.3% cavalry, at 200 m – 37.5% and 50%, at 300 m – 33.3% and 37.5% respectively.

    A 75%-83% hit rate at 100 meters, heck, even at 200-300m the percentages seem very impressive.


    Another experiment described by Mueller (1811) involved the use of aiming versus no aiming.
    Infantrymen in the aiming group were encouraged to aim their muskets as hunters would instead of just pointing it roughly ahead and pulling the trigger.
    Each group fired 1,000 rounds against a cavalry target. The results of this experiment:



    These results demonstrate that aimed fire is not really that significantly better than unaimed fire, even for a smoothbore musket, it is though, more significant at longer ranges.

    Considering that not aiming would result in a faster rate of fire, unaimed volley fire could actually prove to be the better option, hence the whole European abandonement of iron sights even though they had them since the 15th century.


    I don't know, sources are very contradictory, some even paint a picture that accuracy went down and not up through the 16th/17th century.

    For instance, at the battle of Muehlberg, the Spanish musketeers inflicted heavy damage to the enemy on the other side of river Elbe, this is how wide the river is at that city;

    http://files1.structurae.de/files/ph...d/p6280221.jpg

    We are talking about 16th century musket fire over 100 meters causing heavy casualties.


    Compare that to the experience of raw recruits;

    “To fire their arquebuses they charge them to the mouth [of the gun] with powder; they take hold of them half way along the barrel with their left hand and move their arm as far away as they can, to prevent the fire from touching them ( as they are so afraid of it); and when they light it with the wick in their other hand they turn their face away, just like those who are waiting for the bloodletter to open a vein; and even when they fire they close their eyes and go pale, and shake like an old house”. (Quoted after Lorraine White. The Experience of Spain’s Early Modern Soldiers: Combat, Welfare and Violence)

    This is a description from 1568, it is quite entertaining in a very sad way, and shows clearly why armies cherished veterans and experienced soldiers so much during the age of firearms.

    Basically, everyone not properly trained and prepared to fire, was utterly useless as a musketeer and more scared of his own weapon than the enemy.
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    The idea is to shake or break the opposing force.

    Then you you close in with cold steel.
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    @Marius March: You are right with your assumption, Firearms in the 16/17th Century were quite accurate, mostly they were fine peaces of handwork.
    In later times, when the Armies grew larger the average Quality of the Soldier went down, so there was a bigger emphasis on Rate of Fire....

    To the Point of Aiming: I think it was Frederick the Great who told his Footies not to aim and increased the rate of fire that way.... I hope you excuse my lack of Sources :-(

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    Quote Originally Posted by +Marius+ View Post
    It could be a more isolated case or even an American case(because of the use of raw recruits and militia).

    Different studies provided completely different results;

    Moritz Thierbach, taking an average of Prussian, Bavarian and French trials, he standardized the test to one involving 60 shots at a board-and-canvas target, roughly equal in size to the frontal area presented by an enemy battalion, approximately 30.5 meters long, by 2 meters high.

    From a distance of 75 meters only 60% of the bullets penetrated the target; from 150 meters – 40%; from 225 meters – 25%; and from 300 meters – only 20%.

    Not so bad eh?

    Now we come to this;

    Hanoverian experiments in 1790 showed that when fired at various ranges against a representative target (a placard 1.8 m high and up to 45 m long for infantry, 2.6 m high for cavalry) the following results were achieved: at 100 meters – 75% bullets hit infantry target, 83.3% cavalry, at 200 m – 37.5% and 50%, at 300 m – 33.3% and 37.5% respectively.

    A 75%-83% hit rate at 100 meters, heck, even at 200-300m the percentages seem very impressive.


    Another experiment described by Mueller (1811) involved the use of aiming versus no aiming.
    Infantrymen in the aiming group were encouraged to aim their muskets as hunters would instead of just pointing it roughly ahead and pulling the trigger.
    Each group fired 1,000 rounds against a cavalry target. The results of this experiment:



    These results demonstrate that aimed fire is not really that significantly better than unaimed fire, even for a smoothbore musket, it is though, more significant at longer ranges.

    Considering that not aiming would result in a faster rate of fire, unaimed volley fire could actually prove to be the better option, hence the whole European abandonement of iron sights even though they had them since the 15th century.


    I don't know, sources are very contradictory, some even paint a picture that accuracy went down and not up through the 16th/17th century.

    For instance, at the battle of Muehlberg, the Spanish musketeers inflicted heavy damage to the enemy on the other side of river Elbe, this is how wide the river is at that city;

    http://files1.structurae.de/files/ph...d/p6280221.jpg

    We are talking about 16th century musket fire over 100 meters causing heavy casualties.


    Compare that to the experience of raw recruits;

    “To fire their arquebuses they charge them to the mouth [of the gun] with powder; they take hold of them half way along the barrel with their left hand and move their arm as far away as they can, to prevent the fire from touching them ( as they are so afraid of it); and when they light it with the wick in their other hand they turn their face away, just like those who are waiting for the bloodletter to open a vein; and even when they fire they close their eyes and go pale, and shake like an old house”. (Quoted after Lorraine White. The Experience of Spain’s Early Modern Soldiers: Combat, Welfare and Violence)

    This is a description from 1568, it is quite entertaining in a very sad way, and shows clearly why armies cherished veterans and experienced soldiers so much during the age of firearms.

    Basically, everyone not properly trained and prepared to fire, was utterly useless as a musketeer and more scared of his own weapon than the enemy.

    Great stuff thanks.

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    The minie system also required a fairly light powder load for the size of the ball so that it would actually engage the rifling instead of burning right past. This meant enfields and springfields had considerable bullet drop with standard ammunition (one can get tighter bullets and hotter loads on the range, but reloading is slower) even more than Napoleonic era muskets which were usually loaded very hot.

    On the range when you have known distances you can still make accurate shots, but n a battlefield bullet drop greatly hampers effective accuracy. If you really wanted to make long range shots, you needed something like the Whitworth rifle with a polygonal bore/bullet, or later breach loading cartridge guns where the bullet no longer to be small enough to be rammed down the barrel.

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    This blew my mind a little bit, because in order to make it through basic training in the modern Army you need to be reasonably accurate at 150 and 300 yards, and this isn't even considered a very difficult thing to do. A few weeks of training and almost anyone can do it.
    I think one thing to remember is the terrain in the context of ACW - all too often you simply did not have a target to engage at long range. Second and more important is remember black powder era if you guys were and putting out say 3 rounds a minute it would not be too long before you could see to aim at anything.

    That is why even for the fact of Spencer Rifle/Carbine was the most advanced gun of its time is used by cavalry (and some mounted infantry) - becuse that could move around their own self created smoke screen quickly.

    My answer to the OP would be evolutionary in a dead end sort of way. In the right conditions and terrain it was an advantage. But in many case the lose of the flexibility of the musket was well a lose. In any case The Spencer and the Needle Gun pointed the way to the future they just had to wait for smokeless powder.
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    I find it quite astounding that both rifling and iron sights were present on 15th century firearms and yet were not adopted properly until fairly recently.

    It would seem as if everyone was focused solely on the rate of fire and nothing else.
    I was in the military museum of Vienna recently and they actually experimented with air pressure repeating rifles in the 18th century with a supposed range of 100 yards. It apparently worked, the mechanics were just too unreliable for campaign.

    In the same vein they had various breech loaders pretty quickly inside the inventions of cannons and firearms, the designs were just not good for mass production and reliability if you weren't a noblemen who could afford a lot of tinkering and maintenance with his weapons. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girandoni_air_rifle)
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    Default Re: The rifled musket in civil war combat revolution or evolution?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mangalore View Post
    It apparently worked, the mechanics were just too unreliable for campaign.
    Yeah, expense and reliability was usually the main issue.

    Though, the early experiments(especially 16th century stuff) are still an awesome sight to behold;

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