Skynet AI

[Mr_Nygren]

"The battle_config file will overwrite your own melee/missile hit rates, be sure to paste your own into there.Remember to assign all your factions the default AI label in your descr strat."

What is the default AI label?

Also, can the campaign and custom battles AI both be used at the same time?

Great work, Warcraft Total war has no AI scripts and could really use this.

[rafmc1989]

the default label is one of the labels contained in any AI system... it is assigned to a faction in descr_strat, together with other assignable labels the AI in question has..

[Mr_Nygren]

the default label is one of the labels contained in any AI system... it is assigned to a faction in descr_strat, together with other assignable labels the AI in question has..

That won't say much, as there are many AI personalities and i wanted to know which one is the default one out of all of those, But i think Balanced Smith works.

[z3n]

Default AI label means a different thing when I was using it.

In that case I was referring to any XML label that is created in the descr_campaign_ai_db. For the personalities there is no real default, each personality does something different.

[Mr_Nygren]

Default AI label means a different thing when I was using it.

In that case I was referring to any XML label that is created in the descr_campaign_ai_db. For the personalities there is no real default, each personality does something different.

I see, then i Will change balanced Smith to something more aggressive thanks. ☺

[bitterhowl]

Thanks for your great work and researches. One question - why did you disabled battle formation set in campaign_script part?

[z3n]

I don't think that worked well and even if it did during deployment phase I believe the exe overrides it immediately

[bitterhowl]

Thanks for the answer! At this moment I'm trying to implement some additional formations into my submod, I use manually integrated hardcore RBAI. For the first tests alternative formation is possible during placement phase. Other issues need to be tested. I can't find conditions for the allied army to mark.

My idea is to make formation sensible to general traits and probably faction-specific and even maybe player-army content-reliable (anti-cav, anti-skirmish, anti-infantry). It sounds ambitional maybe but I'm fully critical to my possibilities first of all, and .exe limitations at second.

[z3n]

Just remember that marching phase screws it all up. At least that is what I remember

[lequintal69]

Hello!

do you think your mod, or parts of it, could be forced into the script-heavy Third age MOS somehow?

The main problem I am trying to fix is the passive campaign AI.
AI fails to use 90% of its armies (it doesnt even use them at all) and always seems to execute 2 or 3 attack orders, NEVER more, even though many other targets are literally yards away from its armies.

Cheers !

(looking forward to come back to EB to try your AI ;p )

[z3n]

Yes easily, (this was meant to be used with EB2 originally... one of the most script heavy out there).


Try using this attached AI file within the zip folder (windows should open it by default -- if not, use 7zip).

In the descr_strat file of your mod you will have to change every ai_personality to default.

[lequintal69]

By ai_personality, you mean ai_label ? its the only thing I can find in the descr_strat of third age

they come like that:


;########################## DWARVES ############################ 9100
;#################################################################
faction moors, craftsman smith
ai_label dwarf


;########################## MORDOR ############################# 15600
;#################################################################
faction england, fortified smith
ai_label evil



Also, should your file go in the third age/data and replace the existing one , or in Third_Age_3\data\world\maps\campaign\custom\Fellowship_Campaign where the desc_strat was located?


Cheers, thanks for responding so fast btw







+rep"d you

[z3n]

Yep ai_label (dwarf, evil etc) is what you change to default

I was thinking of that and the personalities just above it. You can change those personalities (craftsman, smith) to be fortified, knud

[Point Blank]

z3n,

How do you think your BattleAI compares to Germanicus’ ReallyBadAI? Would it be worthwhile or possible to attempt to merge them? Also, does the Formation selection varying by faction in descr_formations_ai work in M2TW, I think it doesn’t?

Cheers,
PB

[z3n]

From what I recall my main issue with the g5 bai and sole reason I tried to design my own was due to its tendency to cause end battle crashes.

I would suggest M2s battle AI is not heavily moddable in the first place in comparison to the CAI. However I do of course have a bias for my own work.


Formations, from what I recall theres a way to make them start in a formation. The problem lies in when they start marching. The marching part reverts them to a default vanilla formation making everything you did pointless. Formations are generally hard coded to begin with and any attempt otherwise is hackish even with the scripted command tbat exists.

You would have to check the docudemons for the specific script command but there is one to change formation. But like I said there are probably serious issues with it, even if it worked as you intended.

Do you intend to make a historical battle for this formation? There may be a better work around if that is the case. Or a more complex one of you prefer if it is a campaign battle.

[Point Blank]

Double post

[Point Blank]

Its no problem to make them start in a particular formation, but yes the marching can mess it up, though isn’t the marching formation they use the one defined in the EDU?

I see you recommend fortified knud above, any particular reason? Did you ever get any indication of some of the effects of the other novel AI labels like roger, doge, richard etc? I was considering trying something like the following:

Sicily: fortified roger
England: fortified henry
France: fortified smith
Moors: balanced mao
Genoa: trader smith
Crusader States: fortified richard
Mongols: balanced subotai
Portugal: fortified smith
Aragon: balanced smith
Turks: balanced arslan
Byzantines: craftsman smith
Egypt: fortified saladin
Novgorod: fortified tsar
Spain: fortified alfonso
Venice: sailor doge
HRE: craftsman heinrich
Teutonic Knights: fortified heinrich
Denmark, Norway: sailor knud
Hungary: balanced vlad
Wallachia and Moldavia: fortified vlad
Poland: fortified wyvadslaw
Papal States: religious smith, which should reduce its aggressive tendancies

Might be worth a try anyway. Regarding the recruitment aspect, I do have pretty strong AI recruit priorities, replacement rates and pool sizes in place to push it in the direction I want for each faction.
Will definitely be trying your Skynet AI too.

[z3n]

The marching formation is some sort of hardcoded thing, you can tell by changing the config_battle_ai files formation in the xml, it immediately crashes the game.

There used to be a proper marching formation defined in the descr_formations_ai from RTW , but in M2TW they just hard coded it because they changed the AI.


As for personalities, I never really went too in depth. I simply tested knud as that looked to be what I aimed for (sea invasions and a preference toward economy/heavier infantry or cav)

Its no problem to make them start in a particular formation, but yes the marching can mess it up, though isn’t the marching formation they use the one defined in the EDU?

I see you recommend fortified knud above, any particular reason? Did you ever get any indication of some of the effects of the other novel AI labels like roger, doge, richard etc? I was considering trying something like the following:

Sicily: fortified roger
England: fortified henry
France: fortified smith
Moors: balanced mao
Genoa: trader smith
Crusader States: fortified richard
Mongols: balanced subotai
Portugal: fortified smith
Aragon: balanced smith
Turks: balanced arslan
Byzantines: craftsman smith
Egypt: fortified saladin
Novgorod: fortified tsar
Spain: fortified alfonso
Venice: sailor doge
HRE: craftsman heinrich
Teutonic Knights: fortified heinrich
Denmark, Norway: sailor knud
Hungary: balanced vlad
Poland: fortified wyvadslaw
Papal States: religious smith, which should reduce its aggressive tendancies

Might be worth a try anyway. Regarding the recruitment aspect, I do have pretty strong AI recruit priorities, replacement rates and pool sizes in place to push it in the direction I want for each faction.
Will definitely be trying your Skynet AI too.

[QuintusSertorius]

My issue with G5 was the way it was obsessed with "matching" to the point the AI would often spend most of the battle with units swirling around in circles trying to pair off against your army.

[Point Blank]

Hi z3n,

Just wondering if you have any comments on this AI:
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...ed-AI-errr-3-0
Especially his recommendations (as contained in the second spoiler) for AI factions, such as a set of hidden traits for their generals?

I haven’t cross-referenced these with the changes you have made and maybe Skynet inxludes some of them already, given the very impressive amount of research you put into it.