JWANTS BALANCE PATCH 0.21 VET HOTSEAT 1

**General Dragon.** · February 14, 2016, 02:49 AM

I knew the elves gonna be a hard faction, as the full map is in play and of course we use the new AR. You may have won a battle, but the war is far from over.

**Chieftain Khuzaymah** · February 14, 2016, 04:55 AM

Oh, btw, there still isn't a clear rule for spies, I'm afraid?

Can I assume that 6 full units of any type is sufficient to be safe?

**TheBlackWolf** · February 14, 2016, 08:56 AM

Originally Posted by joerock22

Well it wasn't enough to save the elves this turn, but the patch has obviously made a big difference just by the casualty numbers.

Yeah, the first battle against those cavalry units made me wince but nothing I could do about it

**JWANT** · February 15, 2016, 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by Chieftain Khuzaymah

Oh, btw, there still isn't a clear rule for spies, I'm afraid?

Can I assume that 6 full units of any type is sufficient to be safe?

I think this is fair. Unless anyone has any objections or other suggestions I will send a PM to make this the new rule. Until it is changed we will lay by the old rule.

Given that the number of soldiers in units has changed for most factions, and that there are no cheap & small units that could be used to exploit this rule, I think it simplifies the game.

**Adanedhel** · February 15, 2016, 01:06 PM

So, if there is 150, instead of 151 in any unit, can I punish my opponent for that and destroy the entire garrison? I would be pretty pissed if that happened to me. Besides, without a specified number, one can't build his garrison comprised of weakened units, which was possible with the old rule.

**Chieftain Khuzaymah** · February 15, 2016, 04:17 PM

If the unit size is 151, then 150 isn't a full unit and it does not suffice as a full unit. You just have to be sharp about checking your garrisons.

As for the weakened units, good point.. My problem is, the rule for Isengard is 1500 men, which is not fair because Isengard has an about equal division between units of sizes 150,200 and 250. Perhaps some factions have the same problem.

**JWANT** · February 15, 2016, 07:01 PM

Fair enough. I'm all for which ever solution is simpler. Perhaps setting a number of soldiers for each faction is the simplest solutions since players won't have to worry about which units are full and which are not.

Some of Isengard's units are smaller now so it would be fair to decrease their minimum garrison size. Elf, Men and Orc factions have had few unit size changes and have only a handful of units that do not conform to their most common size. We could pick a new number for Isengard and I think that solves this issue.

I would suggest 1200 men minimum.

Isengard's most common units are 201 strong (Uruk units) but their cheapest, most likely garrison units, are mostly 250 strong. Changing Isengard's minimum to 1200 (6 201-strong units, 5 250-strong) won't give them much of an advantage but keeping 1500 would be unfair.

**Adanedhel** · February 16, 2016, 03:29 AM

That sounds good to me.

**KingofPoland** · February 16, 2016, 11:26 AM

Gondor up https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6H...ew?usp=sharing

Jwant, I don't know if this is something you might want to look into, this has happened for the past two turns as Rhûn only, I don't know if it has any effect on gameplay. The image is from last turn but it happened on turn 4, this turn. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6H...ew?usp=sharing

**General Dragon.** · February 17, 2016, 10:55 AM

I have the same, when I pass the turn to Silvan Elves after I am done with High elves.

**Adanedhel** · February 17, 2016, 12:50 PM

I had that from the start in JW2. Don't think it is a problem, though. More of a nuisance.

**JWANT** · February 18, 2016, 07:16 PM

That message pops up when a player plays consecutive turns. As far as I know the script is broken for hotseats so it is just a nuisance. Accept/decline as you would like to make it disappear.

Dwarves are up!

http://www.mediafire.com/download/jo..._Dwarves_5.sav