Medieval Kingdoms Total War: Kingdom of Hungary

[hessam]

uralic ugric language group: Khanty, Magyars, Mansi, same language and same looking also Szekely and Cumans looking same. They came from Khazaria region https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavs#...th_century.jpg , they were in regions as Pecs, Veszprem, Buda, Pest https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histor...992_-_1025.png https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ostgeb...pa_um_1000.jpg , https://www.google.sk/search?q=magyar+warrior&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&sqi=2&ved=0ahUKEwjtjd3SqoHTAhVIvhQKHQVLCrUQ_AUIBigB&biw=1920&bih=1045#imgrc=i_8Xp5guay5uWM: = this was a typical army in magyar regions, please change army to Magyar-Szekely-Cuman looking with markers mainly eyes and darker skin, and give more magyar units, because whole army is looking as slovak-german.

you don't let up, do you? I'm working on the Ottomans and so I've seen a lot of Ottoman-Hungarian wars illustrations and I can tell you, the Hungarian army in those illustrations looks much closer to central-western Europeans than eastern Europeans or Cumans. full plates and everything, unlike your claims.

[Visarion]

Any previews soon!?

[silv600]

because they were also in army germans, slovaks, romanians, austrians etc, magyars were mainly light inf and light cav, horse archers, hussars and this is magyar looking = https://www.google.sk/search?q=magya...nPmXb9rvNGGlM:

[Visarion]

The Black Army happened only during Mathias Corvinus so very late...

Edit: Those Magyars were the earlier Horde ones. You are confusing ages. We are talking about the Hungarians here. Note the difference.

[silv600]

Visarion: yes, and mercenary black army was completely none magyar.

[Visarion]

If you are so interested in genetics I suggest you first read about the mithocondrial DNA that is preserved much better, the patriliniar Y chromosome that is transmited almost every time unmodified from father to son. Few mutations ever occur like it was the case with Genghis Khan, that was literally a super-human and had dozens of children. There are very well documented and sure studies regarding the genetics of present and medieval Hungarians snd Szeklers so before going further with this subject please make sure you have understood and assimilated the before mentioned subject / theme how you preffer. All the best!

Edit: And my friend you are making a very dangerous and great mistake of confusing language families with ethnic families.

[silv600]

Ottoman occupation 150 years killed a lot of Magyars, people changed, because a lot germans, slovaks, romanians settled in present-day hungary also they adopted magyar language, but not all Magyars were killed by Ottomans, and from year 1212 to 1526 people in present-day hungary was looking same as here https://www.google.sk/search?q=magya...nPmXb9rvNGGlM:

[Visarion]

It is a point of view, not necessarily the correct one but you are making progress. In using argumentation not just demand. And you can not impose someone to do what you want. Never. You can only ask someone to take in consideration your point of view. You are free to express yourself but not to force someone to see things as you do.

[hessam]

Ottoman occupation 150 years killed a lot of Magyars, people changed, because a lot germans, slovaks, romanians settled in present-day hungary also they adopted magyar language, but not all Magyars were killed by Ottomans, and from year 1212 to 1526 people in present-day hungary was looking same as here https://www.google.sk/search?q=magya...nPmXb9rvNGGlM:

Still, you are confusing the Magyars as an ethnic group and military tactics associated with Magyars. While there might have been a great magyar population in the Kingdom of Hungary, the kingdom's military had adopted a great deal from western kingdoms and was to a great degree, westernized.

[silv600]

Visarion: this is not a point of view, it is holy fact everything what I said, because people in present-day Hungary, I see on own eyes true Magyars and magyarized germans, slovaks, romanians, also on historical pictures you can see true Magyars for example in google pictures what I sent, and You know this very well.

[silv600]

hessam: not in Magyar regions as Pecs, Pest, Buda, Veszprem, for example 16.century period these Magyar regions were as speed and run light inf/cav, famous hussars and similar units.

[hessam]

hessam: not in Magyar regions as Pecs, Pest, Buda, Veszprem, for example 16.century period these Magyar regions were as speed and run light inf/cav, famous hussars and similar units.

Ltd. has already made "hussar" and other light cavalry including horse archers. so what on earth is your problem? there's a perfect mixture of western heavy equipment and regional light troops.

[silv600]

hessam: problem is that they dont have Magyar-Szekely looking mainly as eyes and darker skin, they are looking as slovak-german.

[Lucem Mundum]

hessam: problem is that they dont have Magyar-Szekely looking mainly as eyes and darker skin, they are looking as slovak-german.

So what are you expecting? Unique skins for every single ethnic group?

[hessam]

hessam: problem is that they dont have Magyar-Szekely looking mainly as eyes and darker skin, they are looking as slovak-german.

So your whole point all this time was that they should have different skins?!!! if yes, then you chose the hardest possible way to say it.

Edit: to back up what Lucem said, there are few skin types we can use and you can't expect every culture and subculture to have a unique skin. There was a similar discussion in the Khwarezmid thread.

[Visarion]

Let me guess you are a Hungarian with darker skin and brown eyes, a true Magyar!? Also have you downloaded the mod and checked the Hungarians of all ages!? Early, High and Late tiers!?

[silv600]

Lucem: in hungarian army: give units as Hussars, light cav/inf horse archers looking as Cuman faction for example, because Magyars and Cumans = same looking.

hessme: if is it not possible to change, then ok, I dont know what to say.

Visarion: darker skin and slanted eyes, this is Magyar.

[hessam]

DO NOT DOUBLE OR TRIPLE POST.... you can answer several people in a single post you know...

show me a single reliable representation of a hussar (whether 15th or 16th century) that looks like a Cuman.

*Edit: http://www.warfare.netau.net/16/Beck..._of_Krbava.htm and http://www.warfare.netau.net/16/Huss...bard_chape.htm are both early 16th century examples

[silv600]

hessam: from your answer, is it, that hussars were looking none Magyar.

[hessam]

hessam: from your answer, is it, that hussars were looking none Magyar.

That's what the evidence points towards. When you make the claim that Hussars looked like Cumans/Magyars, it is your burden to bring ample evidence to support your claim. So again, either show me a single reliable representation of a hussar that looks like that, or stop this meaningless argument.