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    NATO suspects that a third party working in the hidden fomenting xenophobia in Europe. Right now work information warfare experts to find those behind the campaign.

    - We see specific context in a number of countries indicate that someone is trying to influence, says Janis Sarts, head of NATO's strategic communications center, Stratcom.

    NATO suspects that a third party working in the hidden fomenting xenophobia in Europe. Right now work information warfare experts to find those behind the campaign.

    - We see specific context in a number of countries indicate that someone is trying to influence, says Janis Sarts, head of NATO's strategic communications center, Stratcom.

    The refugee crisis has shattered public and created a deep rift in European cooperation. When hundreds of thousands of refugees now looking to Europe, xenophobic and racist opinions received new fuel. On social media and alternative news sites spread racist conspiracies and hate.

    NATO's strategic communications center Stratcom, based in Riga, Latvia, has discovered a pattern in how information is disseminated in hate campaigns.

    - We see similarities in three areas: how the information circulates, quality of content and the type of content it is. They try to play on society's instinctive fear of the unknown, says Janis Sarts, head of Stratcom.

    On Monday announced Defense Minister Peter Hultqvist that the government is considering to join NATO cooperation. Swedish Civil Contingencies Agency, MSB, during the year had frequent contacts with Stratcom.

    Mikael Tofvesson, head of unit for the environment and readiness of the MSB, has visited the Headquarters and confirm the picture Janis Sarts provides.

    - It is difficult to single out any specific foreign power, but different actors communicate about this, that we see. Xenophobia and that kind of fear can be highlighted and fattened by foreign powers. We see this trend as well, says Mikael Tofvesson.

    How effective information operations could be Russia's annexation of Crimea a clear example, according to Janis Sarts.

    - What we saw in the Crimea was primarily an information operation that was supported by the military and that is what can be achieved with this method. Therefore, one must be very careful about what is going on, especially if one of the parties tries to break all the rules that we tried to build, he said.

    A grouping which openly threatens to overturn the Swedish society is the Nazi organization Swedish Resistance Movement, SMR. On their own site is tongången hard and an article about a new asylum accommodation in Vindeln was met with comments like: "Should well be people who hold matches even in Vindeln and who know how to use them." The comment must reply: "Yep, from Sanatorium to the crematorium. "

    SMC has for some time also a Russian-language page on the Russian equivalent of Facebook, vk.com. Page has over 500 followers. In several texts in Russian SMR tells about the activities and how to join.

    In September, the SMR visits by Stanislav Vorobjev, leader of the Russian imperial movement, RID, which is a right-wing, paramilitary organization based in St. Petersburg. RID themselves write about the visit on his website and also state that they forwarded a cash gift to support SMC.

    - It is amazing, I would say, it stands out. They are sponsored by an operator who is a pawn in a larger game that aims to mobilize troops to the war in Ukraine, says Daniel Poohl at the Expo.

    RID has since July 2014 been training and sent volunteer soldiers for fighting in eastern Ukraine.

    Unlike much of Europe's extreme right who supported Russia took Swedish right-wing groups initially the Ukrainian party in the conflict,

    - Swedish Resistance Movement were the first who turned against this stance and declared that it was Russia they would support. They see Russia as a positive force for the EU and the US, says Daniel Poohl.

    Russian imperial movement would appear as if they are in opposition to Vladimir Putin.

    But it gives the Swedish experts are not much.

    - This is ongoing with the government's good memory, even if the surface has diametrically different views. The movement has no problem holding military exercises in the country, it would be a threat to the regime, they would never be. It is a common front, it is my opinion anyway, says Johan wiktorin, defense analysts.
    http://www.dn.se/nyheter/sverige/nat...rammande-makt/


    So, after spending the last years accusing anyone with slightly divergent views on immigration of been a xenophobe, now the Swedish government is trying to scapegoat Russia for the criticism of its immigration policies.
    The fear of foreigners is now fault of ............................. foreigners, just the Russian ones.
    Hypocrisy at its best.

    And of course, who would they call when the narrative can't hide the reality any longer? The biggest tool of transatlatic elites, big sponsors of attempting to turn Europe into America with immigration policies, NATO.

    And freedom of information takes another hit. Is Europe turning into a totalitarian state?

    Considering the latest assaults on anyone criticizing the failing projects of the American-European elites, the Euro, immigration, aggressive foreign policy against any country that begs to differ, it certainly is.


    Specific question for the various members here who still believe NATO is a positive thing, not the tool of Amercan oligarchs and their European oligarch wannabes counterparts: are you finally seeing how everything is connected? Sweden isn't even a NATO member, yet to enforce its ethnic diversification agenda and censor criticism they call NATO.
    Still think it's necessary, or even positive at this point? I know our friends Holger Danske from Denmark, Adar from Sweden and StarDreamer from Finland aren't big fans of Sweden policies, yet love NATO. However at this point the domino is complete. Whose side do you choose guys?


    Oh btw, if we believe the Sweden and NATO ''truth'', this forum is flooded with Russian propaganda agents. Can anyone pm me on how to get a check for my services?
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    So basically Swedish government wants foreign military to deal with domestic dissent? How democratic!
    Plus in that aspect RF is just as bad as Sweden. The sight of Moscow during muslim holidays would probably put an average Swedish cultural marxist into euphoric state lol.

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    And Sweden is a beacon of freedom of information according to Soros' Freedom House. Again, Soros is involved totally by a case. Definitely not the inspirator of certain agendas.

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    Default Re: Sweden loses control on narrative on immigration, calls NATO for help, blames Russia.

    - Clearly biased OP: the formulation of the thread title is altogether 'unsuccessful' at best, but it is a great bait I will admit.
    - Misleading OP: the cause of concen in Sweden (if you actually care to be factually correct and present the information objectively in some way) was not the immigration discussion but rather misinformation campaigns pertaining to, for instance, the purported artillery deal between the Ministry of Defence in Sweden and the Ukrainian military. Or the alleged 'Poltava dirt' trade. NATO analysts have noticed involvement of an unspecified foreign power in misinformation campaigns on immigration but - really - that power could be Moldavia for all we care. Russia was not 'blamed' in that case.
    - Ironic OP: the irony being that the premier tactic displayed in the aforementioned propaganda campaigns is partly based on grassroots internet trolldom such as this. The aim is to sow distrust and objectify everything ('uhh it's just a matter of perspective'). Fact? We have repeatedly traced such campaigns to Russia. That's no 'blame & shame', only cold hard facts.
    - Omnious OP: Russian involvement in Swedish media is increasing. Sputnik News recently launched a news site in Swedish to let readers 'see a new perspective and form an opinion for themselves'. I've been involved in cracking anti-vaccine misinformation campaigns for a while; this is exactly the type of message used. Pathetic.

    So yeah, redo and do right, as we say in Viking country.

    Ps. Is immigration even mentioned in the quoted article? lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aanker View Post
    - Clearly biased OP: the formulation of the thread title is altogether 'unsuccessful' at best, but it is a great bait I will admit.
    - Misleading OP: the cause of concen in Sweden (if you actually care to be factually correct and present the information objectively in some way) was not the immigration discussion but rather misinformation campaigns pertaining to, for instance, the purported artillery deal between the Ministry of Defence in Sweden and the Ukrainian military. Or the alleged 'Poltava dirt' trade. NATO analysts have noticed involvement of an unspecified foreign power in misinformation campaigns on immigration but - really - that power could be Moldavia for all we care. Russia was not 'blamed' in that case.
    - Ironic OP: the irony being that the premier tactic displayed in the aforementioned propaganda campaigns is partly based on grassroots internet trolldom such as this. The aim is to sow distrust and objectify everything ('uhh it's just a matter of perspective'). Fact? We have repeatedly traced such campaigns to Russia. That's no 'blame & shame', only cold hard facts.
    - Omnious OP: Russian involvement in Swedish media is increasing. Sputnik News recently launched a news site in Swedish to let readers 'see a new perspective and form an opinion for themselves'. I've been involved in cracking anti-vaccine misinformation campaigns for a while; this is exactly the type of message used. Pathetic.

    So yeah, redo and do right, as we say in Viking country.

    Ps. Is immigration even mentioned in the quoted article? lol.
    TIL I am too infracted to give reputation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aanker View Post
    - Clearly biased OP: the formulation of the thread title is altogether 'unsuccessful' at best, but it is a great bait I will admit.
    - Misleading OP: the cause of concen in Sweden (if you actually care to be factually correct and present the information objectively in some way) was not the immigration discussion but rather misinformation campaigns pertaining to, for instance, the purported artillery deal between the Ministry of Defence in Sweden and the Ukrainian military. Or the alleged 'Poltava dirt' trade. NATO analysts have noticed involvement of an unspecified foreign power in misinformation campaigns on immigration but - really - that power could be Moldavia for all we care. Russia was not 'blamed' in that case.
    Fixed the OP, I had copied the wrong one from the translator.
    Quote Originally Posted by Aanker View Post
    - Ironic OP: the irony being that the premier tactic displayed in the aforementioned propaganda campaigns is partly based on grassroots internet trolldom such as this. The aim is to sow distrust and objectify everything ('uhh it's just a matter of perspective'). Fact? We have repeatedly traced such campaigns to Russia. That's no 'blame & shame', only cold hard facts.
    Hint: here's why you are losing the war on information, you call trolls anyone with a diverging opinion and that points out elements that don't fit your narrative.
    Those are not trolls. Internet trolls is a phenomenon of bored teenagers that of course the cancer generation that holds power right now has completely failed to understand, thus simply calls ''trolls'' anything they do not like.
    Which is why you keep losing, you can't even distinguish trolls from people with a different opinion.

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    Default Re: Sweden loses control on narrative on immigration, calls NATO for help, blames Russia.

    I would say that Russophobia seems to be something ingrained in Swedish society, and perhaps that of Scandinavian countries, if TWC is anything to go by at least. While I don't doubt that there are Russian covert plans attempting to leverage the situation to their advantage (just as I don't doubt these things are being carried out by NATO countries outside of NATO), they usually can't just invent xenophobia in a country. It is widely believed among those who are in the know in Greece that Golden Dawn receives money from Russia, but that doesn't mean that Russia invented Golden Dawn or Greek neo-Nazism. It's an internal situation which a foreign power is trying to take advantage of...aka, just another day in the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stavroforos View Post
    I would say that Russophobia seems to be something ingrained in Swedish society, and perhaps that of Scandinavian countries, if TWC is anything to go by at least.
    Would you care to elaborate? It seems you have some specific TWC members in mind.

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    Default Re: Sweden loses control on narrative on immigration, calls NATO for help, blames Russia.

    That would be discussing other members, Aanker, and would be against the ToS and rules of the D&D forums.

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    The political parties not addressing the immigration issue in accordance with public opinion has long been an issue, kne-jerk ractions to brand people as zenophobes, racist etc not at all uncommon ( its a damn first world epidemic imo ) but holy hell.

    What you are proposing ( Not even touching the NATO subject ) here is delusional Basil.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Basil II the B.S View Post
    Specific question for the various members here who still believe NATO is a positive thing, not the tool of Amercan oligarchs and their European oligarch wannabes counterparts: are you finally seeing how everything is connected? Sweden isn't even a NATO member, yet to enforce its ethnic diversification agenda and censor criticism they call NATO.
    Still think it's necessary, or even positive at this point? I know our friends Holger Danske from Denmark, Adar from Sweden and StarDreamer from Finland aren't big fans of Sweden policies, yet love NATO. However at this point the domino is complete. Whose side do you choose guys?


    Oh btw, if we believe the Sweden and NATO ''truth'', this forum is flooded with Russian propaganda agents. Can anyone pm me on how to get a check for my services?
    I think Hanlon's Razor applies here as well. I don't see much evidence that NATO has any greater role in those developments than Russia, other than being "not helpful". Many of the contributing factors are well out of reach of both those parties.


    Quote Originally Posted by Aanker View Post
    - Clearly biased OP: the formulation of the thread title is altogether 'unsuccessful' at best, but it is a great bait I will admit.
    - Misleading OP: the cause of concen in Sweden (if you actually care to be factually correct and present the information objectively in some way) was not the immigration discussion but rather misinformation campaigns pertaining to, for instance, the purported artillery deal between the Ministry of Defence in Sweden and the Ukrainian military. Or the alleged 'Poltava dirt' trade. NATO analysts have noticed involvement of an unspecified foreign power in misinformation campaigns on immigration but - really - that power could be Moldavia for all we care. Russia was not 'blamed' in that case.
    - Ironic OP: the irony being that the premier tactic displayed in the aforementioned propaganda campaigns is partly based on grassroots internet trolldom such as this. The aim is to sow distrust and objectify everything ('uhh it's just a matter of perspective'). Fact? We have repeatedly traced such campaigns to Russia. That's no 'blame & shame', only cold hard facts.
    - Omnious OP: Russian involvement in Swedish media is increasing. Sputnik News recently launched a news site in Swedish to let readers 'see a new perspective and form an opinion for themselves'. I've been involved in cracking anti-vaccine misinformation campaigns for a while; this is exactly the type of message used. Pathetic.

    So yeah, redo and do right, as we say in Viking country.

    Ps. Is immigration even mentioned in the quoted article? lol.
    Is it not true that the article, like so many, confuses cause (sustained mass immigration, governments ignoring federal law, thus leading to more mass immigration) and effect (rising xenophobia)? I mean, while there has been sharp increase recently, this phenomenon has been going on at least since the early 90s. Like Stav said, Russia may be taking advantage of some developments, but let's not pretend they, or the "xenophobes" they're allegedly backing, were the cause of the problem.

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    Default Re: Sweden loses control on narrative on immigration, calls NATO for help, blames Russia.

    Quote Originally Posted by Stavroforos View Post
    That would be discussing other members, Aanker, and would be against the ToS and rules of the D&D forums.
    That's great Stav. If you can't explain your allegation because it breaks TWC rules, it must be one super solid case you've got right there. It's unfortunate, because the rest of your post actually brought up some valid points.

    @Athanaric: involvement =/= cause. These sentiments would exist without the involvement of foreign actors (which have, again, neither been specified as Russia nor been mentioned with regards to immigration in the quoted article!), but a theoretical misinformation campaign can boost the legitimacy of anti-establishment critics. Any funding process would, clearly, influence developments as well. And let me just stress, again, that what pissed off the Minister of Defence this week and made the alarm bells ring had nothing to do with immigration issues, at all. It is related to, for instance, a fabricated letter suggesting Sweden was going to deliver Archer artillery platforms to Ukraine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adar View Post
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    Default Re: Sweden loses control on narrative on immigration, calls NATO for help, blames Russia.

    Conspiracy theorists are at it it seems. Im sorry for being to infracted to rep though.

    On that note, I'd like to point out that for some reason last two Lord Mayors of the City of London where active in Sweden before the got the sketchy Job in the state within the British state. One worked for the Swedish central-bank, and the other for the biggest private bank. It seems Sweden was a point of interest in that time, when also Julian Assange was charged there as well as Russophobia being slowly build up. Or when the very generous amounts of Iraqi where taken in.

    Sweden soon will not serve as "the nordic model" anymore, but as a "socialist trainwreck" wrecked by their own and foreign ultra-capitalist optimates. Perhaps that is exactly what is wanted. Perhaps "the refugees" serve as amp-supply manpower for the factories, mines, woods etc for when Russia is taken on and we Euro's are stupid enough to tow the line again. Perhaps the compounding erosion of liberal aspects is there to make discent a thing of the past and an assurance even the likes of me or Basil tows the line or at least have no medium anymore.

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    Default Re: Sweden loses control on narrative on immigration, calls NATO for help, blames Russia.

    This is really a duplicate thread of last months thread about Russia funding the revival of a Swedish Nazi party.

    The only news are that Sweden is now considering closer and more cooperation with the NATO communication centre which monitors this kind of propaganda. As mentioned by Aanker the article doesn't even mentioned immigration, it is all about the risk of increased Nazi activity in Sweden. Increased Nazi activity may harm immigrants but it really doesn't change the "narrative on immigration.

    Edit: I got some further information as I just noticed that a major Swedish blogger have made a survey on Pro-Russians or "Kremlins" as he call them. Essentially he have made a number of "honey pot" posts designed to attract the Kremlins and thereby monitor their behaviour. His survey and earlier analysis essentially backs up the same narrative the increased interest from Swedish authorities to collaborate with Stratcom.

    I pretty much nailed it when I stated that:
    Quote Originally Posted by Adar
    Russia have managed to weaponize the loneliest and saddest people on the internet by providing them with (sometimes barechested) father figures whom they can adhere to in order to justify their hatred for the current establishment and the society that rejects them.
    These are not very creative (nor do they seem to have a job according to his analysis) but they are very efficient in amplifying stories and whataboutist claims made by news outlets and social media accounts controlled by the pro-Russian entity mentioned in the OP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adar View Post
    This is really a duplicate thread of last months thread about Russia funding the revival of a Swedish Nazi party.

    The only news are that Sweden is now considering closer and more cooperation with the NATO communication centre which monitors this kind of propaganda. As mentioned by Aanker the article doesn't even mentioned immigration, it is all about the risk of increased Nazi activity in Sweden. Increased Nazi activity may harm immigrants but it really doesn't change the "narrative on immigration.

    Edit: I got some further information as I just noticed that a major Swedish blogger have made a survey on Pro-Russians or "Kremlins" as he call them. Essentially he have made a number of "honey pot" posts designed to attract the Kremlins and thereby monitor their behaviour. His survey and earlier analysis essentially backs up the same narrative the increased interest from Swedish authorities to collaborate with Stratcom.

    I pretty much nailed it when I stated that:


    These are not very creative (nor do they seem to have a job according to his analysis) but they are very efficient in amplifying stories and whataboutist claims made by news outlets and social media accounts controlled by the pro-Russian entity mentioned in the OP.
    Well spotted. There doesn't seem to be much difference between this and the American equivalent who promote English neo-Nazis and other sundry ne'er-do -wells.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aanker View Post

    @Athanaric: involvement =/= cause. These sentiments would exist without the involvement of foreign actors (which have, again, neither been specified as Russia nor been mentioned with regards to immigration in the quoted article!), but a theoretical misinformation campaign can boost the legitimacy of anti-establishment critics. Any funding process would, clearly, influence developments as well. And let me just stress, again, that what pissed off the Minister of Defence this week and made the alarm bells ring had nothing to do with immigration issues, at all. It is related to, for instance, a fabricated letter suggesting Sweden was going to deliver Archer artillery platforms to Ukraine.
    Quote Originally Posted by Adar View Post
    The only news are that Sweden is now considering closer and more cooperation with the NATO communication centre which monitors this kind of propaganda. As mentioned by Aanker the article doesn't even mentioned immigration, it is all about the risk of increased Nazi activity in Sweden. Increased Nazi activity may harm immigrants but it really doesn't change the "narrative on immigration.

    What part of the refugee crisis does not have anything to do with immigration? Usual denialism of reality.

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    Default Re: Sweden loses control on narrative on immigration, calls NATO for help, blames Russia.

    Quote Originally Posted by Basil II the B.S View Post
    What part of the refugee crisis does not have anything to do with immigration? Usual denialism of reality.
    The (re-)creation of a Swedish Nazi party has absolutely no impact on the narrative of the refugee crisis as we already know that it is unlikely to muster more than a few thousand votes at most. It is however a threat towards the security of immigrants living in Sweden as shown by the recent school attack which was carried out by what seems to be a radicalized internet warrior.

    So no, the Swedish government is not collaborating with Stratcom due to "losing control over the narrative on immigration". What it does is that it is increasing its collaboration with Stratcom as foreign actors try to encourage the radicalization of already socially isolated people into full blown Nazis and potential terrorists.
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    Default Re: Sweden loses control on narrative on immigration, calls NATO for help, blames Russia.

    In other words: Russia is going to be responsible for any future acts by Swedish Nazis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adar View Post
    The (re-)creation of a Swedish Nazi party has absolutely no impact on the narrative of the refugee crisis as we already know that it is unlikely to muster more than a few thousand votes at most. It is however a threat towards the security of immigrants living in Sweden as shown by the recent school attack which was carried out by what seems to be a radicalized internet warrior.

    So no, the Swedish government is not collaborating with Stratcom due to "losing control over the narrative on immigration". What it does is that it is increasing its collaboration with Stratcom as foreign actors try to encourage the radicalization of already socially isolated people into full blown Nazis and potential terrorists.
    Except that it isn't just them. It's targeting ''alternative news websites'' aka anyone that doesn't follow the narrative.
    http://www.dn.se/nyheter/sverige/nat...rammande-makt/

    And anti-immigration sentiment in Sweden is hardly a bunch of NeoNazis. Should I remind you your own thread about Sweden Democrats topping polls ?

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    Default Re: Sweden loses control on narrative on immigration, calls NATO for help, blames Russia.

    Quote Originally Posted by Basil II the B.S View Post
    Except that it isn't just them. It's targeting ''alternative news websites'' aka anyone that doesn't follow the narrative.
    http://www.dn.se/nyheter/sverige/nat...rammande-makt/

    And anti-immigration sentiment in Sweden is hardly a bunch of NeoNazis. Should I remind you your own thread about Sweden Democrats topping polls ?
    I have already described the activities behind the closer collaboration between Sweden and Stratcom (here). We got a pretty good idea about the general objectives of the foreign state actor and preventing that is the goal of the increased collaboration with Stratcom. I don't know if it is poor thinking or poor translations that make you unable to distinguish between the domestic success of the Sweden Democrats and the need to deal with foreign psyops operations such as this one but it is a pretty big difference.

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