Modding Questions and Help Thread

[Withwnar]

Yep, but "< 0", not "< 8".

[Ngugi]

Naturally, just an error of mine; edited

[Steph-121]

Hello I've been playing TATW with MOS 1.7. Playing as Gundabad I noticed something that kinda irks me a bit. Kinda like that annoying itch you can never get rid of. It's the Orc bodyguard unit for Gundabad, in it the soldiers fighting are goblins in heavy plate armor same as the Misty Mountain unit heavy goblin infantry and general. I was wondering if there was a way to replace the unit with something that would fit the general a bit more. Kinda like the Uruk bodyguard of Mordor or some other ORC unit. )Preferably in heavy plate armor.) My main gripe being that it seems a bit out of place to have goblins who are shorter than the Orcs and the general guarding him. Again its something minor but If anyone knows how to change them I would be grateful.

[♔atthias♔]

hello everyone I have a question
in custom battle the archer uints get the melee weapon bonus given by the swormshits guild but in the campaign not. is this fixable?
I have aredy tried this WEAPON_MISSILE_MECHANICAL and many different forms of this but that is not working
can somebody help me out??
many thanks in advance
greetings atthias

[Withwnar]

Do you mean the melee upgrade that the Swordsmiths Guild gives?

[♔atthias♔]

Do you mean the melee upgrade that the Swordsmiths Guild gives?

yes

[Withwnar]

        swordsmiths_guild  requires factions { sicily, byzantium, turks, scotland, }  and hidden_resource big_city
        {
            convert_to 0
            capability
            {
                weapon_melee_blade 1
            }

The Swordsmiths Guild is in the game and therefore so is the melee weapon upgrade, though only to some factions. I don't understand the question.

[♔atthias♔]

        swordsmiths_guild  requires factions { sicily, byzantium, turks, scotland, }  and hidden_resource big_city
        {
            convert_to 0
            capability
            {
                weapon_melee_blade 1
            }

The Swordsmiths Guild is in the game and therefore so is the melee weapon upgrade, though only to some factions. I don't understand the question.

sorry for bad understanding but I mean this in custom battle I can give Archer uints a melee weapon upgrade but in the campaing this does not work I hope you can understand my now
greetings atthias

[Withwnar]

When I use weapon_melee_blade on some archer units I am seeing the little sword upgrade icon and their Melee Attack goes up. It seems to be working.

Oh wait... that was in the DCILA submod I'm working on. I tried it in vanilla TATW just now and had no luck.

In DCILA I used "weapon_melee_blade 1" in a Leather Tanner and both of these units (the only archer ones I tried) got the weapon upgrade after retraining...

type             Elf Archer2
dictionary       Elf_Archer2      ; Lindar Archers
category         infantry
class            missile
voice_type       Heavy
banner faction   main_missile
banner holy      crusade
soldier          nandor_archer, 48, 0, 1
officer	         highelf_banner
mount_effect     elephant +3
attributes       sea_faring, hide_improved_forest, very_hardy, can_withdraw, free_upkeep_unit
move_speed_mod   1.1
formation        1.2, 1.2, 2.4, 2.4, 4, square
stat_health      1, 3
stat_pri         5, 0, arrow_8, 150, 30, missile, missile_mechanical, piercing, none, 0, 1
stat_pri_attr    no
stat_sec         6, 4, no, 0, 0, melee, melee_blade, piercing, sword, 0, 1
stat_sec_attr    no
stat_pri_armour  1, 3, 0, leather
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        2
stat_ground      0, -1, 0, -1
stat_mental      11, normal, trained
stat_charge_dist 15
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        2, 672, 269, 75, 75, 672, 3, 100
armour_ug_levels 0, 1
armour_ug_models nandor_archer, nandor_archer
ownership        egypt
era 0            egypt
era 1            egypt
era 2            egypt
recruit_priority_offset    20


type             Sindar Archers
dictionary       Sindar_Archers      ;Sindar Archers
category         infantry
class            missile
voice_type       Heavy
banner faction   main_missile
banner holy      crusade
soldier          sindar_archer , 44, 0, 1
officer	         highelf_banner
mount_effect     elephant +3
attributes       sea_faring, hide_forest, extreme_range, very_hardy, can_withdraw, free_upkeep_unit
move_speed_mod   1.1
formation        1.2, 1.2, 2.4, 2.4, 4, square
stat_health      1, 3
stat_pri         6, 0, arrow_9, 170, 30, missile, missile_mechanical, piercing, none, 0, 1
stat_pri_attr    no
stat_sec         7, 5, no, 0, 0, melee, melee_blade, piercing, sword, 0, 1
stat_sec_attr    no
stat_pri_armour  11, 3, 3, metal
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        2
stat_ground      0, -1, 0, -1
stat_mental      13, normal, highly_trained
stat_charge_dist 15
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        2, 895, 358, 90, 90, 895, 3, 100
armour_ug_levels 1, 2
armour_ug_models sindar_archer, sindar_archer
ownership        egypt
era 0            egypt
era 1            egypt
era 2            egypt
recruit_priority_offset    30

But trying the same thing in vanilla didn't work for these archer units...

type             Militia Archers
dictionary       Militia_Archers      ; Militia Archers
category         infantry
class            missile
voice_type       Heavy
banner faction   main_missile
banner holy      crusade
soldier          militia_archers, 60, 0, 1
officer	         gondor_captain_early_flag
officer	         gondor_captain_early_flag
mount_effect     elephant +3
attributes       sea_faring, hide_forest, can_withdraw, free_upkeep_unit
formation        1.2, 1.2, 2.4, 2.4, 4, square
stat_health      1, 3
stat_pri         6, 2, arrow, 150, 30, missile, missile_mechanical, piercing, none, 0, 1
stat_pri_attr    no
stat_sec         4, 2, no, 0, 0, melee, melee_blade, piercing, sword, 25, 1
stat_sec_attr    no
stat_pri_armour  4, 2, 0, metal
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        4
stat_ground      0, -1, -1, -2
stat_mental      8, normal, trained
stat_charge_dist 15
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        2, 410, 180, 75, 75, 410, 4, 100
armour_ug_levels 2, 3
armour_ug_models militia_archers, militia_archers_ug1
ownership        sicily, timurids
era 0            sicily
era 1            sicily
era 2            sicily
recruit_priority_offset    5

type             Elf Archer2
dictionary       Elf_Archer2      ; Bow Quendi
category         infantry
class            missile
voice_type       Heavy
banner faction   main_missile
banner holy      crusade
soldier          quendi_bow, 48, 0, 1
officer	         highel_captain_early_flag
mount_effect     elephant +3
attributes       sea_faring, hide_forest, extreme_range, very_hardy, can_withdraw, free_upkeep_unit
move_speed_mod   1.1
formation        1.2, 1.2, 2.4, 2.4, 4, square
stat_health      1, 3
stat_pri         9, 2, elven_arrow, 170, 35, missile, missile_mechanical, piercing, none, 0, 1
stat_pri_attr    no
stat_sec         7, 2, no, 0, 0, melee, melee_blade, piercing, sword, 0, 1
stat_sec_attr    no
stat_pri_armour  1, 6, 0, leather
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        2
stat_ground      0, -1, 0, -1
stat_mental      11, normal, highly_trained
stat_charge_dist 15
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        2, 480, 200, 75, 75, 480, 4, 100
armour_ug_levels 0, 1
armour_ug_models quendi_bow, quendi_bow_upg
ownership        egypt
era 0            egypt
era 1            egypt
era 2            egypt
recruit_priority_offset    0

I also tried "weapon_melee_simple 1" which (I guess) is for maces, axes, etc. instead of swords.

So I don't know the answer. Maybe there's a clue in those EDU stats somewhere. If no luck here then try asking in the Workshop.

[♔atthias♔]

When I use weapon_melee_blade on some archer units I am seeing the little sword upgrade icon and their Melee Attack goes up. It seems to be working.

Oh wait... that was in the DCILA submod I'm working on. I tried it in vanilla TATW just now and had no luck.

In DCILA I used "weapon_melee_blade 1" in a Leather Tanner and both of these units (the only archer ones I tried) got the weapon upgrade after retraining...

type             Elf Archer2
dictionary       Elf_Archer2      ; Lindar Archers
category         infantry
class            missile
voice_type       Heavy
banner faction   main_missile
banner holy      crusade
soldier          nandor_archer, 48, 0, 1
officer             highelf_banner
mount_effect     elephant +3
attributes       sea_faring, hide_improved_forest, very_hardy, can_withdraw, free_upkeep_unit
move_speed_mod   1.1
formation        1.2, 1.2, 2.4, 2.4, 4, square
stat_health      1, 3
stat_pri         5, 0, arrow_8, 150, 30, missile, missile_mechanical, piercing, none, 0, 1
stat_pri_attr    no
stat_sec         6, 4, no, 0, 0, melee, melee_blade, piercing, sword, 0, 1
stat_sec_attr    no
stat_pri_armour  1, 3, 0, leather
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        2
stat_ground      0, -1, 0, -1
stat_mental      11, normal, trained
stat_charge_dist 15
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        2, 672, 269, 75, 75, 672, 3, 100
armour_ug_levels 0, 1
armour_ug_models nandor_archer, nandor_archer
ownership        egypt
era 0            egypt
era 1            egypt
era 2            egypt
recruit_priority_offset    20


type             Sindar Archers
dictionary       Sindar_Archers      ;Sindar Archers
category         infantry
class            missile
voice_type       Heavy
banner faction   main_missile
banner holy      crusade
soldier          sindar_archer , 44, 0, 1
officer             highelf_banner
mount_effect     elephant +3
attributes       sea_faring, hide_forest, extreme_range, very_hardy, can_withdraw, free_upkeep_unit
move_speed_mod   1.1
formation        1.2, 1.2, 2.4, 2.4, 4, square
stat_health      1, 3
stat_pri         6, 0, arrow_9, 170, 30, missile, missile_mechanical, piercing, none, 0, 1
stat_pri_attr    no
stat_sec         7, 5, no, 0, 0, melee, melee_blade, piercing, sword, 0, 1
stat_sec_attr    no
stat_pri_armour  11, 3, 3, metal
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        2
stat_ground      0, -1, 0, -1
stat_mental      13, normal, highly_trained
stat_charge_dist 15
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        2, 895, 358, 90, 90, 895, 3, 100
armour_ug_levels 1, 2
armour_ug_models sindar_archer, sindar_archer
ownership        egypt
era 0            egypt
era 1            egypt
era 2            egypt
recruit_priority_offset    30

But trying the same thing in vanilla didn't work for these archer units...

type             Militia Archers
dictionary       Militia_Archers      ; Militia Archers
category         infantry
class            missile
voice_type       Heavy
banner faction   main_missile
banner holy      crusade
soldier          militia_archers, 60, 0, 1
officer             gondor_captain_early_flag
officer             gondor_captain_early_flag
mount_effect     elephant +3
attributes       sea_faring, hide_forest, can_withdraw, free_upkeep_unit
formation        1.2, 1.2, 2.4, 2.4, 4, square
stat_health      1, 3
stat_pri         6, 2, arrow, 150, 30, missile, missile_mechanical, piercing, none, 0, 1
stat_pri_attr    no
stat_sec         4, 2, no, 0, 0, melee, melee_blade, piercing, sword, 25, 1
stat_sec_attr    no
stat_pri_armour  4, 2, 0, metal
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        4
stat_ground      0, -1, -1, -2
stat_mental      8, normal, trained
stat_charge_dist 15
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        2, 410, 180, 75, 75, 410, 4, 100
armour_ug_levels 2, 3
armour_ug_models militia_archers, militia_archers_ug1
ownership        sicily, timurids
era 0            sicily
era 1            sicily
era 2            sicily
recruit_priority_offset    5

type             Elf Archer2
dictionary       Elf_Archer2      ; Bow Quendi
category         infantry
class            missile
voice_type       Heavy
banner faction   main_missile
banner holy      crusade
soldier          quendi_bow, 48, 0, 1
officer             highel_captain_early_flag
mount_effect     elephant +3
attributes       sea_faring, hide_forest, extreme_range, very_hardy, can_withdraw, free_upkeep_unit
move_speed_mod   1.1
formation        1.2, 1.2, 2.4, 2.4, 4, square
stat_health      1, 3
stat_pri         9, 2, elven_arrow, 170, 35, missile, missile_mechanical, piercing, none, 0, 1
stat_pri_attr    no
stat_sec         7, 2, no, 0, 0, melee, melee_blade, piercing, sword, 0, 1
stat_sec_attr    no
stat_pri_armour  1, 6, 0, leather
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        2
stat_ground      0, -1, 0, -1
stat_mental      11, normal, highly_trained
stat_charge_dist 15
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        2, 480, 200, 75, 75, 480, 4, 100
armour_ug_levels 0, 1
armour_ug_models quendi_bow, quendi_bow_upg
ownership        egypt
era 0            egypt
era 1            egypt
era 2            egypt
recruit_priority_offset    0

I also tried "weapon_melee_simple 1" which (I guess) is for maces, axes, etc. instead of swords.

So I don't know the answer. Maybe there's a clue in those EDU stats somewhere. If no luck here then try asking in the Workshop.

I wil ask in the workshop thanks for the answer
greetings atthias

[Withwnar]

Ah, sorry. I just realised that in my DCILA test I was using both of these:

weapon_melee_blade 1
weapon_missile_mechanical 1

But in my TATW test I only used this:

weapon_melee_blade 1

(and later: weapon_melee_simple 1)

I saw your Workshop question and Gigantus is right: weapon_missile_mechanical = Melee Attack upgrade for missile units. I thought it meant a Missile Attack bonus for missile units.

[♔atthias♔]

Ah, sorry. I just realised that in my DCILA test I was using both of these:

weapon_melee_blade 1
weapon_missile_mechanical 1

But in my TATW test I only used this:

weapon_melee_blade 1

(and later: weapon_melee_simple 1)

I saw your Workshop question and Gigantus is right: weapon_missile_mechanical = Melee Attack upgrade for missile units. I thought it meant a Missile Attack bonus for missile units.

no problem wihwnar thanks for trying
greetings atthias

[Ngugi]

Hello I've been playing TATW with MOS 1.7. Playing as Gundabad I noticed something that kinda irks me a bit. Kinda like that annoying itch you can never get rid of. It's the Orc bodyguard unit for Gundabad, in it the soldiers fighting are goblins in heavy plate armor same as the Misty Mountain unit heavy goblin infantry and general. I was wondering if there was a way to replace the unit with something that would fit the general a bit more. Kinda like the Uruk bodyguard of Mordor or some other ORC unit. )Preferably in heavy plate armor.) My main gripe being that it seems a bit out of place to have goblins who are shorter than the Orcs and the general guarding him. Again its something minor but If anyone knows how to change them I would be grateful.

Hello Steph',

will get back to you on this in a day or two, it's not hard but take a moment to explain.

[Red Viper]

I have a problem. I made a script for DAC where after 100 turns a general named Eldarion joins the faction Imladris. This worked, but the next turn another Eldarion showed up and next turn another...

This is the script, what did I do wrong?

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

; Eldarion
declare_counter eldarion_spawned
monitor_event FactionTurnStart FactionType egypt
and I_TurnNumber >= 100
if I_SettlementOwner Imladris = egypt
spawn_army
faction egypt
character Eldarion, named character, age 16, x 245, y 379, portrait Heir, hero_ability IRON_FIST
traits Eldarion 1, DunedainRace 1, hero_ability1 1, FathersLegacy 3, Handsome 3, HaleAndHearty 3, Intelligent 1, Loyal 2, LoyaltyStarter 1, ReligionStarter 1
unit Dunedain Cavalry exp 2 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit Dunedain Infantry Swordsmen exp 2 armour 1 weapon_lvl 0
unit Dunedain Infantry Swordsmen exp 2 armour 1 weapon_lvl 0
end
set_counter eldarion_spawned 1
if I_LocalFaction egypt
snap_strat_camera 245, 379
campaign_wait 1
end_if
end_if
if I_SettlementOwner Eregion = egypt
and I_CompareCounter eldarion_spawned = 0
spawn_army
faction egypt
character Eldarion, named character, age 16, x 245, y 379, portrait Heir, hero_ability IRON_FIST
traits Eldarion 1, DunedainRace 1, hero_ability1 1, FathersLegacy 3, Handsome 3, HaleAndHearty 3, Intelligent 1, Loyal 2, LoyaltyStarter 1, ReligionStarter 1
unit Dunedain Cavalry exp 2 armour 1 weapon_lvl 0
unit Dunedain Infantry Swordsmen exp 2 armour 1 weapon_lvl 0
unit Dunedain Infantry Swordsmen exp 2 armour 1 weapon_lvl 0
end
set_counter eldarion_spawned 1
if I_LocalFaction egypt
snap_strat_camera 214, 333
campaign_wait 1
end_if
end_if
end_monitor

[Greymane]

I'm not an expert on scripts by any means, but ik looks as though you did write the script so that it would spawn Eldarion every single turn above turn 100. "and I_TurnNumber >= 100" This line is probably the culprit. Not sure if changing it to "and I_TurnNumber = 100" would do anything but crash your script, but it's worth an attempt. Or maybe someone else could tell us if this is indeed what's causing your problem?

[Withwnar]

You already have a counter that signifies that the thing has happened. Use that to either prevent the monitor from firing...

; Eldarion
declare_counter eldarion_spawned
monitor_event FactionTurnStart FactionType egypt
  and I_TurnNumber >= 100
  and I_CompareCounter eldarion_spawned = 0

...or to terminate the monitor when you know it won't be needed again...

; Eldarion
declare_counter eldarion_spawned
monitor_event FactionTurnStart FactionType egypt
  and I_TurnNumber >= 100
  if I_SettlementOwner Imladris = egypt
    spawn_army
      faction egypt
      character Eldarion, named character, age 16, x 245, y 379, portrait Heir, hero_ability IRON_FIST
      traits Eldarion 1, DunedainRace 1, hero_ability1 1, FathersLegacy 3, Handsome 3, HaleAndHearty 3, Intelligent 1, Loyal 2, LoyaltyStarter 1, ReligionStarter 1
      unit Dunedain Cavalry exp 2 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
      unit Dunedain Infantry Swordsmen exp 2 armour 1 weapon_lvl 0
      unit Dunedain Infantry Swordsmen exp 2 armour 1 weapon_lvl 0
    end
    set_counter eldarion_spawned 1
    if I_LocalFaction egypt
      snap_strat_camera 245, 379
      campaign_wait 1
    end_if
  end_if
  if I_SettlementOwner Eregion = egypt
    and I_CompareCounter eldarion_spawned = 0
    spawn_army
      faction egypt
      character Eldarion, named character, age 16, x 245, y 379, portrait Heir, hero_ability IRON_FIST
      traits Eldarion 1, DunedainRace 1, hero_ability1 1, FathersLegacy 3, Handsome 3, HaleAndHearty 3, Intelligent 1, Loyal 2, LoyaltyStarter 1, ReligionStarter 1
      unit Dunedain Cavalry exp 2 armour 1 weapon_lvl 0
      unit Dunedain Infantry Swordsmen exp 2 armour 1 weapon_lvl 0
      unit Dunedain Infantry Swordsmen exp 2 armour 1 weapon_lvl 0
    end
    set_counter eldarion_spawned 1
    if I_LocalFaction egypt
      snap_strat_camera 214, 333
      campaign_wait 1
    end_if
  end_if
  
  if I_CompareCounter eldarion_spawned = 1
    terminate_monitor
  end_if
  
end_monitor

I always terminate when I can. I don't like monitors hanging around checking their conditions every turn or whatever when there is no reason for them to be doing so.

[k/t]

Hello I've been playing TATW with MOS 1.7. Playing as Gundabad I noticed something that kinda irks me a bit. Kinda like that annoying itch you can never get rid of. It's the Orc bodyguard unit for Gundabad, in it the soldiers fighting are goblins in heavy plate armor same as the Misty Mountain unit heavy goblin infantry and general. I was wondering if there was a way to replace the unit with something that would fit the general a bit more. Kinda like the Uruk bodyguard of Mordor or some other ORC unit. )Preferably in heavy plate armor.) My main gripe being that it seems a bit out of place to have goblins who are shorter than the Orcs and the general guarding him. Again its something minor but If anyone knows how to change them I would be grateful.

Go to export_descr_unit.txt.

Find the bodyguard of Gundabad.

Change the stuff on the "soldier" and "armour_ug_models" lines to the stuff on the same lines of the Orc Halberdiers or Orc Marauders.

[Ngugi]

Knew I forgot something.

Go to export_descr_unit.txt.

Find the bodyguard of Gundabad.

Change the stuff on the "soldier" and "armour_ug_models" lines to the stuff on the same lines of the Orc Halberdiers or Orc Marauders.

Thing is, OoG share their BG (and general model itself, which is not solved by the above solution) with OotMM, and such an edit affect both factions then.
Perhaps it is OK, S-121?

[k/t]

I don't have 3.2, so I don't know what bodyguard they have.

He didn't complain about the general, only about the size difference between the general and his guards. If it bugged him about the Orcs Of Gundabad, it will probably bug him about the Orcs Of The Misty Mountains.

[Anthony_0311]

How can I increase the size of a unit in Third Age Total War MOS sub-mod? I would like to make the elite elf units have 121 elves like in vanilla TATW but I have no modding experience and I don't even know if it's possible. Help and a reply would be very much appreciated. I'm always down to learning something new.