Dangerous US cops , why it should concern more than just presuure groups

[tgoodenow]

You've lost your own thread, My Sweet. Sorry. You've failed to create the hysteria you intended.

It's just not there.

Nice attempt with the whole "resisting is a death sentence" thing. Hilarious! I needed that. It's been so tried before, unfortunately for you.

Ya know what IS a death sentence? Being morbidly obese with multiple, related life threatening illnesses and getting into a fight you can't win.

It's what I call a Dar-Win.

Policemen are held to a certain standard because they are given power. If you try to take a policeman's gun I believe he has the right to shoot and kill you because he is in fear of his life.
If a person commits the crime selling cigarettes on the corner, under very few circumstances should the perpetrator die. He was going to jail for selling cigarettes? How does that make sense? Write him a fine and be on your way. Instead this guy is literally choked to death shouting "I can't breathe" while the cop holds his head down.

Judges should decide who views the body camera videos on case by case basis. If there is extreme public interest in the video the executive branch should decide if the video becomes public.

[mongrel]

You've lost your own thread, My Sweet. Sorry. You've failed to create the hysteria you intended.

It's just not there.

Nice attempt with the whole "resisting is a death sentence" thing. Hilarious! I needed that. It's been so tried before, unfortunately for you.

Ya know what IS a death sentence? Being morbidly obese with multiple, related life threatening illnesses and getting into a fight you can't win.

It's what I call a Dar-Win.

As tgoodenow said. I don't think there is anywhere on the planet where selling a handful contrabrand cigarettes would warrant an arrest or indeed someone being killed.A summons and a fine is more than sufficient for this most minor of offences.
And what part of "I can't breathe" . did these morons not understand? My understanding is that US cops speak English.

Again, I do believe that there needs to be change. However, the way the media is spinning this makes me not want to get on board, as this is essentially another Social Justice Warrior Crusade against the big bad white man.

If the media started reporting on the deaths of innocent people at the hands of police, regardless of race, I would be 100% supportive of this. The problem is that they don't and I cannot see them doing it in the near future.

100% in agreement , hence the thread. As you seem to get this +rep.

If anyone actually gave a crap about it, they should all be talking about why the murder rates for blacks and to a lessor extent Hispanics is so high and what can be done to help that, instead of lumping everything together.

To summarise.

Policeman shot my dog/boyfriend/wife for no reason. Black people's fault.

[Phier]

To summarise.

Policeman shot my dog/boyfriend/wife for no reason. Black people's fault.

There are some neighborhoods in Chicago I'd love to send you sight seeing.

You'd kiss a male cop on the mouth if you were lucky enough to find one (you won't).

[mongrel]

There are some neighborhoods in Chicago I'd love to send you sight seeing. .

Mmm


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2r97Fo_HWE

Chicago, isn't that where a cop killed a 95 year old with a shotgun beanbag at close range? I supposed at least this shuffling frail creature had a knife I guess.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...204-story.html

[Phier]

Mmm


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2r97Fo_HWE

Chicago, isn't that where a cop killed a 95 year old with a shotgun beanbag at close range? I supposed at least this shuffling frail creature had a knife I guess.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...204-story.html

Read the story, fail to see the problem.

[mongrel]

Read the story, fail to see the problem.

Because the fighting prowess of over 95-year -olds is well known. Look at Yoda for example. #oldlivesmatter

[Davius]

Based on 2005 data. Everyone knows why the US murder rate is so high, but we can't say it cause



If anyone actually gave a crap about it, they should all be talking about why the murder rates for blacks and to a lessor extent Hispanics is so high and what can be done to help that, instead of lumping everything together.

So Perfect. What the self appointed Social Justic Warriors fail to EVER address is blacks kill each other in STAGGERING numbers each day in the U.S. This has nothing to do with police. In fact, when police actually make a dent in the murder rate, they are accused of racism, over policing blacks, etc.

Simple answer... Stop and Frisk.

We know exactly who is getting up to the vast majority of the gun violence shenanigans, and they even walk around conveniently color coded in gang colors...so go get 'em.

Worked for NYC. Worked miraculously well. It worked so well that it was an embarrassment for the bleeding heart liberals, and they fought it tooth and nail until they killed it. "Better blacks be dead than disrespected" was pretty much their battle cry.

Since Mayor Che DeBlasio (real name Warren Wilhelm), killed stop and frisk, he also told blacks they could go ahead and start killing each other again. The murder rate for NYC blacks is up over 200% thanks to the feel-good Mayor.

...and the same black politicians who cried about stop and frisk are now angry that gun murders are up! Head assplode!!!

[Phier]

Because the fighting prowess of over 95-year -olds is well known. Look at Yoda for example. #oldlivesmatter

See here is the real rub.

There are bad cops.

There are corrupt cops.

There are violent cops.

There are cops who just make a bad judgement call.

and then there are most of the cops.

You cherry pick a few, disputable as it is, incidents, and then paint the US as somehow at the whims of violent police. Being I'm a cis white male dunglord I of course have never had an issue, but even if your examples were all 100% true police brutality issues, that doesn't mean we have a major problem in the US.

Funny thing is that incompetent doctors and medical personal cause FAR FAR FAR more death in the US (and I will assume your part of the world too, but I only assume I don't claim to know) yet we don't have a thread on the horrors of medicine (just whines its not "free").

It's a chilling reality – one often overlooked in annual mortality statistics: Preventable medical errors persist as the No. 3 killer in the U.S. – third only to heart disease and cancer – claiming the lives of some 400,000 people each year. At a Senate hearing Thursday, patient safety officials put their best ideas forward on how to solve the crisis, with IT often at the center of discussions.

Personally I think the number is greatly exaggerated, but even if its a factor of 10 off its still FAR less than the police are claimed to cause.

[mongrel]

Blah Blah

Black crime rates don't affect the effectiveness of police training , or general incompetence. I thought this was pointed out already. More repeats than the British Broadcast Corporation I see.

You cherry pick a few, disputable as it is, incidents, and then paint the US as somehow at the whims of violent police. Being I'm a cis white male dunglord I of course have never had an issue, but even if your examples were all 100% true police brutality issues, that doesn't mean we have a major problem in the US.

Did we not mention that gang related killings have nothing to do with the killings illustrated here? Only the British Broadcasting Corporation offers us more repeats.

Actually, no its worse than that, it is incompetence and poor training that is causing these deaths, completely avoidable. If by cherry-picking you mean that I am not including cases where it is plausible that self -defence is an excuse, then you are missing the point.I am sure it is a major problem for Johnathan Ferrel's relatives, a car crash victim gunned down for no reason.


http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/...errell-n414001

[Davius]

Policemen are held to a certain standard because they are given power. If you try to take a policeman's gun I believe he has the right to shoot and kill you because he is in fear of his life.
If a person commits the crime selling cigarettes on the corner, under very few circumstances should the perpetrator die. He was going to jail for selling cigarettes? How does that make sense? Write him a fine and be on your way. Instead this guy is literally choked to death shouting "I can't breathe" while the cop holds his head down.

Judges should decide who views the body camera videos on case by case basis. If there is extreme public interest in the video the executive branch should decide if the video becomes public.

As tgoodenow said. I don't think there is anywhere on the planet w


.

You two legal scholars are deliberately missing the point:

Those cops were told to arrest him. There was a supervisor on the scene. They couldn't just "write him a summons". They knew him well. He'd been busted AND CHASED AWAY from that area many times previously. How may times do police let a neighborhood nuisance go with a slap on the wrist?
Any idea how many, you ADORABLE attorneys, of these types of arrests happen EVERY day in the U.S. WITHOUT INCIDENT?

If he'd gone peacefully he'd have been home that night with a court appearance ticket and even THEN he could have possibly beaten the case. (Doubtful though he was a repeat offender)

What you two should be pushing for is changing the law. The cops were effecting a lawful, minor arrest but the "Gentle Giant" (LOL!) broke a second law by resisting arrest.

I know nothing about the law or law enforcement

You put the importance of a handful of questionable police killing over the STUNNING amount of blacks being killed by blacks on a weekly basis. If you were a true and CARING Social Justice Warrior (TM), that would be ALL you're talking about. The police thing would be a mere appetizer. But methinks you don't actually CARE about people, that's the kind of Social Justice Warrior(TM) people can get behind.

Why do you not care about the thousands of blacks killed by blacks every year?

You mete out a video here, a news story there, yet conveniently continue to ignore THIS:


GENDER
Male627
Female25
Unknown0
WEAPON
Deadly weapon512
Vehicle36
Toy weapon23
Unarmed62
Unknown19
RACE
White323
Black168
Hispanic102
Other20
Unknown39

http://www.washingtonpost.com/graphi...ice-shootings/

There's nothing to your attempted emotional hysteria. Police killings are minuscule, dear. Minuscule.
320,000,000 citizens
1,000,000 law enforcement
So far 650 police killings this year, (overwhelmingly deemed lawful)

Where's your "sky is falling" moment? Are you saving it for tomorrow?

Ahhhh the absolutely adorable Social Justice Warrior (Tm). Do they just yap in a game forum or do they actually DO anything about atrocities which trouble them so?

[Enros]

Based on 2005 data. Everyone knows why the US murder rate is so high, but we can't say it cause


If anyone actually gave a crap about it, they should all be talking about why the murder rates for blacks and to a lessor extent Hispanics is so high and what can be done to help that, instead of lumping everything together.

You can say it. People say it on news and current affairs programs all the time.

What is your hypothesis for why these groups commit so much more murder?

[mongrel]

Police killings are minuscule, dear. Minuscule.

So are terrorism fatalities post 9-11. I suppose you would be happy for the far-right and Jihadis to get on with their business too? If a serial killer killed 5 people would you let it ride because it is minuscule? YOu seem to be quite content that someone died over a minuscule number of contraband cigarettes. Perhaps one law for incompetent cops and other for everyone else is the proposition. No-one need die over cigarettes. End of. Smoking kills, laws pertaining to their use should not lead to the same result.

We are not talking about borderline cases here where a policeman may or may not have caught a half glimpse or a shadow and made a split -second decision.They will no doubt far outnumber the killings noted here. We are talking about total and utter incompetence. You may have noticed that I have not mentioned race being a factor in any of my posts because the common denominator is a lack of competence.


Another example, ( you say minuscule number of cases, I seem to have to have no trouble finding them).

An unarmed person , Eric Harris killed by an idiot, who can't tell the difference between a taser and a handgun.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/m...n-for-a-taser/



As an aside, though off topic as I am concerned about incompetence rather than procedure; you post something about there being 625 fatalities already ( more since the report) this year and you don't recognise a problem? AS I said before, "USA, better than ISIS" isn't good enough for a first world country. 1 person was killed by police in 2014 and 0 in 2013. English police reportedly fired guns a total of three times in all of 2013, with zero reported fatalities.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/p...oting-someone/

[Davius]

So are terrorism fatalities post 9-11. I suppose you would be happy for the far-right and Jihadis to get on with their business too? If a serial killer killed 5 people would you let it ride because it is minuscule? YOu seem to be quite content that someone died over a minuscule number of contraband cigarettes. Perhaps one law for incompetent cops and other for everyone else is the proposition. No-one need die over cigarettes. End of. Smoking kills, laws pertaining to their use should not lead to the same result.

We are not talking about borderline cases here where a policeman may or may not have caught a half glimpse or a shadow and made a split -second decision.They will no doubt far outnumber the killings noted here. We are talking about total and utter incompetence. You may have noticed that I have not mentioned race being a factor in any of my posts because the common denominator is a lack of competence.


Another example, ( you say minuscule number of cases, I seem to have to have no trouble finding them).

An unarmed person , Eric Harris killed by an idiot, who can't tell the difference between a taser and a handgun.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/m...n-for-a-taser/



As an aside, though off topic as I am concerned about incompetence rather than procedure; you post something about there being 625 fatalities already ( more since the report) this year and you don't recognise a problem? AS I said before, "USA, better than ISIS" isn't good enough for a first world country. 1 person was killed by police in 2014 and 0 in 2013. English police reportedly fired guns a total of three times in all of 2013, with zero reported fatalities.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/p...oting-someone/

Aw, I see you're easily sidetracked so one thing at a time (sorry mods):

Continuing to claim Eric Garner "died for a handful of cigarettes" makes you look more and more silly, Sweetie.

Do you concede he was being arrested for illegally selling cigarettes?

Answer that and MAYBE we can discuss this as adults. Continue your factually incorrect "DERP! He wuz killed for ciggies!" hysterics and you put yourself soundly at the children's table.

[mongrel]

Aw, I see you're easily sidetracked so one thing at a time (sorry mods):

Continuing to claim Eric Garner "died for a handful of cigarettes" makes you look more and more silly, Sweetie.

Do you concede he was being arrested for illegally selling cigarettes?

Answer that and MAYBE we can discuss this as adults. Continue your factually incorrect "DERP! He wuz killed for ciggies!" hysterics and you put yourself soundly at the children's table.

As another person said, why would such a petty infringement warrant an arrest let alone a violent one in the first place? How hard can it be to control an unhealthy chubby bloke? What next? Stoning for stoners perhaps? And you still have not explained how these incompetents failed to understand a basic plea in plain English. All living Americans have the right to breathe, you don't require a manual to point that out. He died over some ciggies, basic fact. No-one expects to be killed by police incompetence, even after a scrap.

Funny how I keep finding cases of police incompetence and worse. Minuscule, my arse.

A motorist killed by 2 bullets in the back, whilst face down on the ground.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/motorist...david-kassick/

Also,policeman murders a dog after it is captured and secured. Perhaps it was selling cigarettes.

http://archive.9news.com/video/defau...=1989144073001

[Davius]

As another person said, why would such a petty infringement warrant an arrest let alone a violent one in the first place? How hard can it be to control an unhealthy chubby bloke? What next? Stoning for stoners perhaps? And you still have not explained how these incompetents failed to understand a basic plea in plain English. All living Americans have the right to breathe, you don't require a manual to point that out. He died over some ciggies, basic fact. No-one expects to be killed by police incompetence, even after a scrap.

Funny how I keep finding cases of police incompetence and worse. Minuscule, my arse.

A motorist killed by 2 bullets in the back, whilst face down on the ground.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/motorist...david-kassick/

Also,policeman murders a dog after it is captured and secured. Perhaps it was selling cigarettes.

http://archive.9news.com/video/defau...=1989144073001

Children's table. You cannot discuss as an adult.

[mongrel]

Children's table. You cannot discuss as an adult.

You can remain at said table. You could just say, in plain English, that you don't have anything further to add to thread. Simples.

As an adult, I find it difficult to discuss this with people who cannot recognise that dead people will never come back and that it is not uncommon for people to have an issue with that. Bring on a more worthy opponent I say.

Meanwhile two more examples of police killing of an unarmed person from my "miniscule" pile of cases, by an ex-marine trained in unarmed combat, no less.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2...ent-grand-jury

[Davius]

You can remain at said table. You could just say, in plain English, that you don't have anything further to add to thread. Simples.

As an adult, I find it difficult to discuss this with people who cannot recognise that dead people will never come back and that it is not uncommon for people to have an issue with that. Bring on a more worthy opponent I say.

Meanwhile two more examples of police killing of an unarmed person from my "miniscule" pile of cases, by an ex-marine trained in unarmed combat, no less.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2...ent-grand-jury

You've failed to "bring the heat", Sweetcheeks. You're not even a good Social Justice Warrior (TM). You've failed to show feel good empathy.

Eric Garner got himself killed as a moth to a flame and there's simple no way out of that. Over 30 arrests. He was a public nuisance. The city is a better place without him. Sticking up for him shows a person's level of integrity. People in the area don't miss him. Good riddance.

Dar-Win

Now watch your poorly hatched thread die when I don't reply to it.

[mongrel]

You've failed to "bring the heat", Sweetcheeks. You're not even a good Social Justice Warrior (TM). You've failed to show feel good empathy.

Eric Garner got himself killed as a moth to a flame and there's simple no way out of that. Over 30 arrests. He was a public nuisance. The city is a better place without him. Sticking up for him shows a person's level of integrity. People in the area don't miss him. Good riddance.

Dar-Win

Now watch your poorly hatched thread die when I don't reply to it.

So you got off the kiddy table and repeated something yet gain about this singular person for the Nth time. You should have stayed there.I also pointed out that the US does not have an ISIS -style judicial system, where people you don't like are killed at a whim. So yes sticking up for the civilized rule of law is indeed the epitome of integrity. If you disagree, go pitch a tent on the remains of Palmyra.

As I said before, you have run out of things to say. I haven't , strangely enough, as my "minuscule" pool of police victims still keeps giving.

Best hand over to someone who can actually debate these issues, or can at least offer something new/interesting.

Police gun down someone armed with a "deadly" spoon.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2...lice?CMP=fb_tc

[Basil II the B.S]

Truth be told the problem goes both ways. I can go on youtube and find Americans replying in the most obnoxious, arrogant and annoying way to simple Cop questions and turning a routine check into a fight. If that's the way people comply, no surprise cops lose the temper easily. It doesn't excuse them, but misbehaviour leads to more misbehaviour. Police brutality leads to mistrusting cops, lack of compliance to routine checks and obnoxious, obtuse resistance leads to use of force.

Really glad I'm not American and I don't have to deal with that nonsense. Both ways.

[Davius]

Dangerous white cop gunned gunned down by black assailant:

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/29/us/tex...t-gas-station/

Should we all guess where The Justice Department will be on this one? Ya won't hear a peep.

But there's a bright side to this not being a thug being killed: at least nobody will be burning down a CVS tonight.

Truth be told the problem goes both ways. I can go on youtube and find Americans replying in the most obnoxious, arrogant and annoying way to simple Cop questions and turning a routine check into a fight. If that's the way people comply, no surprise cops lose the temper easily. It doesn't excuse them, but misbehaviour leads to more misbehaviour. Police brutality leads to mistrusting cops, lack of compliance to routine checks and obnoxious, obtuse resistance leads to use of force.

Really glad I'm not American and I don't have to deal with that nonsense. Both ways.

Pssst! We don't really walk around thinking about it. You're more likely to die by a vending machine in the U.S. Only wannabe Social Justice Warriors (TM) from speech-gagged nations care.