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    Completely off-topic, but since the EBII players are so obsessed with historicity I find it right to put here a link to a short article on the historicity in the films. It's horrible, isn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jurand of Cracow View Post
    Completely off-topic, but since the EBII players are so obsessed with historicity I find it right to put here a link to a short article on the historicity in the films. It's horrible, isn't it?
    Thanks for getting me started on Netflix's Roman Empire. The first season on Commodus was somewhat inaccurate and in case of conflicting reports among historians, they always went for the more scandalous one. Fair enough, it was still accurate enough to provide an entertaining lesson in history.

    However, the second season on G. Julius Caesar was outrageous. They were actually inventing things and essentially falsifying history. And for no reason at all, because the life of Caesar is one of the most interesting ones there is without any embellishment or fabrication of events. They even had those inserts with academics explaining things, but they were grossly misrepresented by cutting fragments of their interviews in convenient places in order to make it appear as if the academics were speaking in favor of said false history. I only watched the first episode because I did not want my understanding of the history to be tainted with inadvertent memories of their blatant lies. If I was the imperator and the dictator in perpetuum, I would have the responsible people crucified on the hills of Hollywood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Septentrionalis View Post
    Thanks for getting me started on Netflix's Roman Empire. The first season on Commodus was somewhat inaccurate and in case of conflicting reports among historians, they always went for the more scandalous one. Fair enough, it was still accurate enough to provide an entertaining lesson in history.

    However, the second season on G. Julius Caesar was outrageous. They were actually inventing things and essentially falsifying history. And for no reason at all, because the life of Caesar is one of the most interesting ones there is without any embellishment or fabrication of events. They even had those inserts with academics explaining things, but they were grossly misrepresented by cutting fragments of their interviews in convenient places in order to make it appear as if the academics were speaking in favor of said false history. I only watched the first episode because I did not want my understanding of the history to be tainted with inadvertent memories of their blatant lies. If I was the imperator and the dictator in perpetuum, I would have the responsible people crucified on the hills of Hollywood.
    Throw them off the Tarpeian Rock!

    I slightly disagree about the first episode. I thought the actor and dialogue they chose for Marcus Aurelius, father of Commodus, were ridiculous all on their own, let alone their portrayal of Commodus or general things about the Roman Empire. I couldn't even finish one episode of the first season, let alone dive into the second season. At least HBO Rome tried to be historically authentic despite using its own fabrications and flexibility to play with the historical narrative. And they got the costumes, armor, and armaments down very accurately, unlike this dumpster fire on Netflix.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roma_Victrix View Post
    I slightly disagree about the first episode. I thought the actor and dialogue they chose for Marcus Aurelius, father of Commodus, were ridiculous all on their own, let alone their portrayal of Commodus or general things about the Roman Empire. I couldn't even finish one episode of the first season, let alone dive into the second season.
    I commend you for your critical approach and agree about the choice of actors. Both Aurelius and Commodus could have at least looked remotely like the historical figures did. I have to admit that I generally expect next to nothing of those "historical" dramatizations, and was content with little during the first season. But the second season began by telling us that Caesar was a penniless foot soldier who had enlisted in the army because he had no other choice financially (what?!) and that he bravely walked into the tent of the officers, told them how things should be done and made a good impression with his strategic understanding (say what now?). Then he was supposedly fighting against Spartacus during the revolt (no he didn't) and... I had to stop watching.

    I cannot wrap my head around the idea that someone thinks that this kind of misrepresentation is okay. Is it because the things that they portray happened so long ago that it does not matter? Would it be okay if I directed a series about Nelson Mandela and explained how he was a poor cobbler's son from Netherlands who became a celebrated fighter pilot with the Germans in the Second World War? No. I say on to the Tarpeian Rock. Now. And please give me one series or movie in which the battles are not about single pairs of combatants doing modern swordplay choreography in an open formation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Septentrionalis View Post
    I cannot wrap my head around the idea that someone thinks that this kind of misrepresentation is okay. Is it because the things that they portray happened so long ago that it does not matter? Would it be okay if I directed a series about Nelson Mandela and explained how he was a poor cobbler's son from Netherlands who became a celebrated fighter pilot with the Germans in the Second World War? No. I say on to the Tarpeian Rock. Now.
    Indeed.

    And please give me one series or movie in which the battles are not about single pairs of combatants doing modern swordplay choreography in an open formation.
    That's another thing HBO's Rome kinda sorta got right, in that they actually showed soldiers getting into and staying in formation, using a shield wall. They did this in the first battle sequence in Gaul and again during the Battle of Philippi in Macedonia, northern Greece. In fact, in the very first battle the soldier Titus Pullo is even detained and disciplined by his centurion officer Lucius Vorenus for going solo and breaking from formation as a "drunken fool". LOL. That being said, Marcus Junius Brutus has a rather silly death scene at Philippi being surrounded with no support and the first battle in Gaul shows a bunch of disorganized Celts wearing weird, vaguely barbarian outfits and charging at the Romans in a mindless mass, when we know the Celts usually did otherwise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roma_Victrix View Post
    That's another thing HBO's Rome kinda sorta got right, in that they actually showed soldiers getting into and staying in formation, using a shield wall. They did this in the first battle sequence in Gaul and again during the Battle of Philippi in Macedonia, northern Greece. In fact, in the very first battle the soldier Titus Pullo is even detained and disciplined by his centurion officer Lucius Vorenus for going solo and breaking from formation as a "drunken fool".
    HBO's Rome is definitely one of the best ones out there. I even liked how Vorenus and Pullo were pulled out of Caesar's "Commentarii de bello gallico", although their characters and actions in the series were fictional; it was a fine demonstration that the producers of the show were serious about historical accounts. Any HBO series will of course appeal to basest instincts of the audience by including plenty of sex and harsh violence where none or not so much is needed for the story. One of my greatest issues was how easily one could supposedly get away with violent crime such as murder or abducting a member of the nobility from their homes. But properly filtered, Rome delivers a very detailed and lifelike depiction of Roman antiquity as we understand it today.

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    Every time you complete construction of an academy, a small pop up video should play showing Plato giving a lecture about humans being featherless bipedal animals, and suddenly it's interrupted by the local Internet troll philosopher Diogenes, holding up a plucked, featherless chicken, shouting:
    "BEHOLD, A MAN!"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diogenes
    https://www.reddit.com/r/HistoryMeme.../behold_a_man/

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    Yes, and please do include a dynamic 'rise of atheism' disaster in the next update, triggered when the bullcock of imperial propaganda and rising standards of living destroys society's faith in the traditional gods

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roma_Victrix View Post
    Every time you complete construction of an academy, a small pop up video should play showing Plato giving a lecture about humans being featherless bipedal animals, and suddenly it's interrupted by the local Internet troll philosopher Diogenes, holding up a plucked, featherless chicken, shouting:
    "BEHOLD, A MAN!"
    Haha . As something of a fan of Diogenes, I did not remember that at all! On a more serious note, I kind of like it that there is very little in the way of humor but still some. It underlines the comic effect of the occasional Monty Python reference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Septentrionalis View Post
    Haha . As something of a fan of Diogenes, I did not remember that at all! On a more serious note, I kind of like it that there is very little in the way of humor but still some. It underlines the comic effect of the occasional Monty Python reference.
    Yeah, the path blocked message shows a funny screenshot of Monty Python's Life of Brian.
    I consider it an honor to be blocked by the People's Front of Judea, but not if it's the Popular Front. Splitters!

    On another note, every time the Roman Republic conducts diplomacy with the Ptolemaic Kingdom in the game, a video scroll should pop up from the scene in HBO's Rome where Caesar shouts "HE WAS A CONSUL OF ROME!" at Ptolemy XIII and the advisers in his royal court.

    RIP Pompey the Great.

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    Carthage needs soccer balls and soccer ball shooting infantry.
    Lolz, now I can never come across general Sakarbaal without thinking of what you just presented . I will be expecting him to roll around on the battlefield, alternating in between holding his face and shin, and expecting the gods to seize the battle and grant him a free kick at the enemy. Yeah, I prefer gridiron football.

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