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    Default [Amendment] Change in constitution wording.

    Support: Iskar (joint proposer), Aik, Ngugi, Veteraan, Flinn, Shankbot.

    Merged Proposal:
    Section I - Members Ranks, Citizenship and Curial OfficersAll members of the forum can be divided into the following ranks. Each rank confers on the holders a specific set of rights and privileges. An individual may hold only one account of the rank of Citizen or higher. In addition to the ranks outlined below a member may also hold other positions or honours entitled to badges. In this case they may choose which rank to display. Regardless of the rank displayed they retain all the rights and privileges associated with all of their ranks.

    Article I. Ranks Members and Citizenship
    PeregrinusPeregrinity (Non-Citizen)Any member of the forum is automatically a Peregrinus (Non-Citizen). This rank status confers posting rightsthe privilege to post in the public forums as well as the rightprivilege to ask questions and suggest changes in the "Questions and Suggestions" forum and participate in the "Forum Magnum" section of The Capitol, as set out in Section 5, Article 2.

    CitizenshipCitizenship is the fundamental award conferred by the Curia for contributions benefitting the site and community of TWC. Contributing members of TWC have the opportunity to become a Citizen of the Forumbe awarded with this as per Article 2 below. Once a member becomes a Citizenis awarded with Citizenship they can then choose between three different badges.: Artifex, designed for those who have contributed through modding, Civitate, designed for those who have contributed through debating and writing, and Citizen, designed for those who have contributed in other ways, or wish to identify with neither or both. If a member is entitled to other badges due to positions or honours held by them they may choose which badge to display while regardlessly retaining all rights and privileges conferred by their positions and honours.

    To qualify for Citizenship, a member must have at least fifty posts, been a registered member for two months, and have not received a Moderation Warning or Curial Warning within the past six months.

    All Citizens have the rights associated with Peregrinus, but in addition mayCitizenship confers the additional privileges to post within the Curia, subject to the procedures in Section 3; mayto post within the Symposium and mayto patronise other members as per Article II.

    An individual may hold only one account awarded with Citizenship.
    Article II. PatronisationAny Citizen who has held their rankCitizenship for three months can patronise a Peregrinus for Citizenship subject to the requirements in Article I above. The process of patronisation is as follows:

    [...]

    7. If the applicant achieves sixty per cent of non-abstaining votes they are entitled to the rankaward of Citizenship.
    8. The Curator informs the candidate and patron of the result. If the candidate does not pass, the Curator includes the date at which they may re-apply. If the candidate passes they may apply to Citizen rank usergroups which the Curator accepts.

    [...]
    Article III. Rank and Award Resignation of AwardsThe rankaward of Citizenship and all Awards listed in Section V, Article 3 are honours given to members by the Curia. While members may refuse or resign their honours that does not reduce their right to them once they have been granted by the Curia. As such they may request them back at will if they have not been revoked or removed in the meantime. Procedures to revoke or remove a member's honours operate normally even if the member is not currently displaying them.

    [...]


    Section IV - The Judiciary
    Article I. Citizen's BehaviourThe suspension and removal of a RankCitizenship is handled by the Citizen's Triumvirate via the following disciplinary process. No Citizen may be subject to more than one referral for a single post.

    Procedure

    [...]

    Curial Warning:

    • Suspension of rankCitizenship for 2 weeks
    • Suspension of rankCitizenship for 1 month
    • Suspension of rankCitizenship for 2 months
    • Suspension of rankCitizenship for 3 months
    • Suspension of rankCitizenship for 4 months
    • Removal of RankCitizenship


    [...]

    A rankCitizenship may not be removed except by the procedure outlined in this Article. Large Curial Awards may only be removedrevoked by a Decision of the Curia or by the request of the rankaward holder.

    [...]

    Article II. The Citizen's TriumvirateThe Citizens Triumvirate manages the removal of all Curia RanksCitizenship by voting.

    [...]

    [...]


    Section V - Additional Provisions
    [...]

    Article III. Community Awards
    [...]

    Large Awards
    [...]

    NovusTo qualify for the Novus award the nominee must have made exceptional contributions to the site in the capacity of a staff member. A current or former member of any branch of Staff is eligible to receive the award, but must also meet the criteria to become a Citizen.

    Qualifying nominees shall have their nomination posted in the Prothalamos and then moved to vote as per the procedure in Section 3 Article 3. The vote shall last one week and the nominee shall require a two-thirds majority of non-abstaining votes to receive Novus. If the nominee was not already a Citizen, the RankCitizenship shall be conferred upon them if they pass. A nominee who fails the vote is not eligible to be nominated again for a three month period.
    OpifexTo qualify for the Opifex award, the nominee must have made exceptional contributions to modding or TW sections of the boards, either by modding or other contributions related to the those sections. Any member of any Rank is eligible to receive the Opifex award, but must also meet the criteria to become a Citizen.

    Qualifying nominees shall have their nomination posted in the Prothalamos and then moved to vote as per the procedure in Section 3 Article 3. The vote shall last one week and the nominee shall require a two-thirds majority of non-abstaining votes to receive Opifex. If the nominee was not already a Citizen, the RankCitizenship shall be conferred upon them if they pass. A nominee who fails the vote is not eligible to be nominated again for a three month period.
    PhaleraTo qualify for the Phalera award, the nominee must have made exceptional contributions to any section of the boards not covered by Opifex. Any member of any Rank is eligible to receive the Phalera award, but must also meet the criteria to become a Citizen.

    Qualifying nominees shall have their nomination posted in the Prothalamos and then moved to vote as per the procedure in Section 3 Article 3. The vote shall last one week and the nominee shall require a two-thirds majority of non-abstaining votes to receive Phalera. If the nominee was not already a Citizen, the RankCitizenship shall be conferred upon them if they pass. A nominee who fails the vote is not eligible to be nominated again for a three month period.
    Asterix LoinclothTo qualify for the Asterix Loincloth award, the nominee must have demonstrated purity of mind and spirit on TWC, in the pursuit of humour and good times for all members. Any member of any Rank is eligible to receive the Asterix Loincloth award, but must also meet the criteria to become a Citizen.

    Qualifying nominees shall have their nomination posted in the Prothalamos and then moved to vote as per the procedure in Section 3 Article 3. The vote shall last one week and the nominee shall require a two-thirds majority of non-abstaining votes to receive Asterix Loincloth. If the nominee was not already a Citizen, the RankCitizenship shall be conferred upon them if they pass. A nominee who fails the vote is not eligible to be nominated again for a three month period.

    [...]


    Original Proposal
    From. To.

    Section I - Member Ranks and Curial OfficersAll members of the forum can be divided into the following ranks. Each rank confers on the holders a specific set of rights and privileges. An individual may hold only one account of the rank of Citizen or higher. In addition to the ranks outlined below a member may also hold other positions or honours entitled to badges. In this case they may choose which rank to display. Regardless of the rank displayed they retain all the rights and privileges associated with all of their ranks.
    Section I - Citizen Awards and Curial Officers.
    Citizenship awards confer privileges not available to non citizens. An individual may hold only one account of Citizen. In addition to the awards outlined below a member may also hold other positions or honours entitled to badges. In this case they may choose which award to display. Regardless of the award displayed they retain all the rights and privileges associated with all of their awards.


    Article I. Ranks
    Peregrinus (Non-Citizen)Any member of the forum is automatically a Peregrinus (Non-Citizen). This rank confers posting rights in the public forums as well as the right to ask questions and suggest changes in the "Questions and Suggestions" forum and participate in the "Forum Magnum" section of The Capitol, as set out in Section 5, Article 2.
    Article I. Titles
    Peregrinus (Non-Citizen)Any member of the forum is automatically a Peregrinus (Non-Citizen). This title confers posting rights in the public forums as well as the right to ask questions and suggest changes in the "Questions and Suggestions" forum and participate in the "Forum Magnum" section of The Capitol, as set out in Section 5, Article 2.


    Article II. PatronisationAny Citizen who has held their rank for three months can patronise a Peregrinus for Citizenship subject to the requirements in Article I above. The process of patronisation is as follows:

    1.The patron confirms the candidate meets the requirements, or a candidate meeting the requirements contacts a Citizen asking for patronage.
    2.The patron writes an introduction letter outlining why they are nominating the candidate.
    3.The candidate and patron formulate an application which highlights the candidate's contributions along with any supporting evidence/information.
    4.The patron posts the introduction letter and application in a new thread in the Quaestiones Perpetuae forum.
    5.After two days discussion period have passed the Curator adds a poll lasting for five days.
    6.The discussion period can be extended at the discretion of the Curator provided an explanation is given.
    7.If the applicant achieves sixty per cent of non-abstaining votes they are entitled to the rank of Citizen.
    8.The Curator informs the candidate and patron of the result. If the candidate does not pass, the Curator includes the date at which they may re-apply. If the candidate passes they may apply to Citizen rank usergroups which the Curator accepts.

    If an applicant fails they are not eligible to apply again for one month after the conclusion of the of the poll.
    Article II. PatronisationAny Citizen who has held their citizenship for three months can patronise a Peregrinus for Citizenship subject to the requirements in Article I above. The process of patronisation is as follows:

    1.The patron confirms the candidate meets the requirements, or a candidate meeting the requirements contacts a Citizen asking for patronage.
    2.The patron writes an introduction letter outlining why they are nominating the candidate.
    3.The candidate and patron formulate an application which highlights the candidate's contributions along with any supporting evidence/information.
    4.The patron posts the introduction letter and application in a new thread in the Quaestiones Perpetuae forum.
    5.After two days discussion period have passed the Curator adds a poll lasting for five days.
    6.The discussion period can be extended at the discretion of the Curator provided an explanation is given.
    7.If the applicant achieves sixty per cent of non-abstaining votes they are entitled to the title of Citizen.
    8.The Curator informs the candidate and patron of the result. If the candidate does not pass, the Curator includes the date at which they may re-apply. If the candidate passes they may apply to Citizen usergroups which the Curator accepts.

    If an applicant fails they are not eligible to apply again for one month after the conclusion of the of the poll.

    Article III. Rank and Award Resignation
    The rank of Citizen and all Awards listed in Section V, Article 3 are honours given to members by the Curia. While members may refuse or resign their honours that does not reduce their right to them once they have been granted by the Curia. As such they may request them back at will if they have not been revoked in the meantime. Procedures to remove a member's honours operate normally even if the member is not currently displaying them.
    Article III. Citizenship Award Resignation

    The title of Citizen and all Awards listed in Section V, Article 3 are honours given to members by the Curia. While members may refuse or resign their honours that does not reduce their right to them once they have been granted by the Curia. As such they may request them back at will if they have not been revoked in the meantime. Procedures to remove a member's honours operate normally even if the member is not currently displaying them.


    Article I. Citizen's BehaviourThe suspension and removal of a Rank is handled by the Citizen's Triumvirate via the following disciplinary process. No Citizen may be subject to more than one referral for a single post.

    Procedure

    Staff and Citizen referrals take place in the Politia forum.

    If any Citizen receives a staff warning from a Moderator they will be referred to the Citizen's Triumvirate for potential action. Moderation Staff will keep track of the Citizen's infractions and promptly forward any new ones to the Curator for posting. The referred will then be asked by the Curator to produce a defence within ninety-six hours. At the request of the referred the Curator shall also accept materials provided on behalf of the referred. Such materials shall be posted until the first voting poll is concluded and must be considered by the Citizen's Triumvirate in the second voting poll if such a poll is required. At the conclusion of this period, regardless of whether a defence has been received, a vote shall be opened by the Curator to conclude after four days. The options are:

    •Dismiss the Case
    •Take Further Action
    •Abstain

    If the Citizen's Triumvirate vote to take Further Action the Curator shall open a second poll for four days. The options are:

    Curial Note:

    •Censure

    Curial Warning:

    •Suspension of rank for 2 weeks
    •Suspension of rank for 1 month
    •Suspension of rank for 2 months
    •Suspension of rank for 3 months
    •Suspension of rank for 4 months
    •Removal of Rank

    No Curial Penalty:

    •Abstain

    A simple majority of non abstaining votes is required for the vote to pass. Where two options have the same number of votes, the action taken is determined by the Curator breaking the tie.

    If a Citizen is referred by another Citizen, the process is the same, except that the warning is substituted for the referrer's accusation, and the defendant shall receive an anonymous copy of the accusation from the Curator.

    At the conclusion of the process, the Curator informs the referred member of the result, and asks whether the member wants the case to be made public or kept private. Cases made public are moved to the Antechamber, viewable by all members; private cases are kept in the Politia.

    A rank may not be removed except by the procedure outlined in this Article. Large Curial Awards may only be removed by a Decision of the Curia or by the request of the rank holder.

    Members of the Citizen's Triumvirate must recuse themselves in their own disciplinary cases.
    Article I. Citizen's Behaviour

    The suspension and removal of a title is handled by the Citizen's Triumvirate via the following disciplinary process. No Citizen may be subject to more than one referral for a single post.

    Procedure

    Staff and Citizen referrals take place in the Politia forum.

    If any Citizen receives a staff warning from a Moderator they will be referred to the Citizen's Triumvirate for potential action. Moderation Staff will keep track of the Citizen's infractions and promptly forward any new ones to the Curator for posting. The referred will then be asked by the Curator to produce a defence within ninety-six hours. At the request of the referred the Curator shall also accept materials provided on behalf of the referred. Such materials shall be posted until the first voting poll is concluded and must be considered by the Citizen's Triumvirate in the second voting poll if such a poll is required. At the conclusion of this period, regardless of whether a defence has been received, a vote shall be opened by the Curator to conclude after four days. The options are:

    •Dismiss the Case
    •Take Further Action
    •Abstain

    If the Citizen's Triumvirate vote to take Further Action the Curator shall open a second poll for four days. The options are:

    Curial Note:

    •Censure

    Curial Warning:

    •Suspension of citizenship for 2 weeks
    •Suspension of citizenship for 1 month
    •Suspension of citizenship for 2 months
    •Suspension of citizenship for 3 months
    •Suspension of citizenship for 4 months
    •Removal of citizenship

    No Curial Penalty:

    •Abstain

    A simple majority of non abstaining votes is required for the vote to pass. Where two options have the same number of votes, the action taken is determined by the Curator breaking the tie.

    If a Citizen is referred by another Citizen, the process is the same, except that the warning is substituted for the referrer's accusation, and the defendant shall receive an anonymous copy of the accusation from the Curator.

    At the conclusion of the process, the Curator informs the referred member of the result, and asks whether the member wants the case to be made public or kept private. Cases made public are moved to the Antechamber, viewable by all members; private cases are kept in the Politia.

    Citizenship may not be removed except by the procedure outlined in this Article. Large Curial Awards may only be removed by a Decision of the Curia or by the request of the citizen.

    Members of the Citizen's Triumvirate must recuse themselves in their own disciplinary cases.

    Article II. The Citizen's TriumvirateThe Citizens Triumvirate manages the removal of all Curia Ranks by voting.
    Article II. The Citizen's Triumvirate
    The Citizens Triumvirate manages the removal of citizenship by voting.


    NovusTo qualify for the Novus award the nominee must have made exceptional contributions to the site in the capacity of a staff member. A current or former member of any branch of Staff is eligible to receive the award, but must also meet the criteria to become a Citizen.
    NovusTo qualify for the Novus award the nominee must have made exceptional contributions to the site in the capacity of a staff member. A current or former member of any branch of Staff is eligible to receive the award, but must also meet the criteria to become a Citizen.

    Qualifying nominees shall have their nomination posted in the Prothalamos and then moved to vote as per the procedure in Section 3 Article 3. The vote shall last one week and the nominee shall require a two-thirds majority of non-abstaining votes to receive Novus. If the nominee was not already a Citizen, the Rank shall be conferred upon them if they pass. A nominee who fails the vote is not eligible to be nominated again for a three month period.
    Qualifying nominees shall have their nomination posted in the Prothalamos and then moved to vote as per the procedure in Section 3 Article 3. The vote shall last one week and the nominee shall require a two-thirds majority of non-abstaining votes to receive Novus. If the nominee was not already a Citizen, the award shall be conferred upon them if they pass. A nominee who fails the vote is not eligible to be nominated again for a three month period.

    OpifexTo qualify for the Opifex award, the nominee must have made exceptional contributions to modding or TW sections of the boards, either by modding or other contributions related to the those sections. A member of any Rank is eligible to receive the Opifex award, but must also meet the criteria to become a Citizen.
    Opifex
    To qualify for the Opifex award, the nominee must have made exceptional contributions to modding or TW sections of the boards, either by modding or other contributions related to the those sections. A member of any status is eligible to receive the Opifex award, but must also meet the criteria to become a Citizen.


    Qualifying nominees shall have their nomination posted in the Prothalamos and then moved to vote as per the procedure in Section 3 Article 3. The vote shall last one week and the nominee shall require a two-thirds majority of non-abstaining votes to receive Opifex. If the nominee was not already a Citizen, the Rank shall be conferred upon them if they pass. A nominee who fails the vote is not eligible to be nominated again for a three month period.
    Qualifying nominees shall have their nomination posted in the Prothalamos and then moved to vote as per the procedure in Section 3 Article 3. The vote shall last one week and the nominee shall require a two-thirds majority of non-abstaining votes to receive Opifex. If the nominee was not already a Citizen, the award shall be conferred upon them if they pass. A nominee who fails the vote is not eligible to be nominated again for a three month period.

    PhaleraTo qualify for the Phalera award, the nominee must have made exceptional contributions to any section of the boards not covered by Opifex. A member of any Rank is eligible to receive the Phalera award, but must also meet the criteria to become a Citizen.
    PhaleraTo qualify for the Phalera award, the nominee must have made exceptional contributions to any section of the boards not covered by Opifex. A member of any status is eligible to receive the Phalera award, but must also meet the criteria to become a Citizen.

    Qualifying nominees shall have their nomination posted in the Prothalamos and then moved to vote as per the procedure in Section 3 Article 3. The vote shall last one week and the nominee shall require a two-thirds majority of non-abstaining votes to receive Phalera. If the nominee was not already a Citizen, the Rank shall be conferred upon them if they pass. A nominee who fails the vote is not eligible to be nominated again for a three month period.
    Qualifying nominees shall have their nomination posted in the Prothalamos and then moved to vote as per the procedure in Section 3 Article 3. The vote shall last one week and the nominee shall require a two-thirds majority of non-abstaining votes to receive Phalera. If the nominee was not already a Citizen, the award shall be conferred upon them if they pass. A nominee who fails the vote is not eligible to be nominated again for a three month period.


    Asterix LoinclothTo qualify for the Asterix Loincloth award, the nominee must have demonstrated purity of mind and spirit on TWC, in the pursuit of humour and good times for all members. A member of any Rank is eligible to receive the Asterix Loincloth award, but must also meet the criteria to become a Citizen.
    Asterix LoinclothTo qualify for the Asterix Loincloth award, the nominee must have demonstrated purity of mind and spirit on TWC, in the pursuit of humour and good times for all members. A member of any status is eligible to receive the Asterix Loincloth award, but must also meet the criteria to become a Citizen.

    Qualifying nominees shall have their nomination posted in the Prothalamos and then moved to vote as per the procedure in Section 3 Article 3. The vote shall last one week and the nominee shall require a two-thirds majority of non-abstaining votes to receive Asterix Loincloth. If the nominee was not already a Citizen, the Rank shall be conferred upon them if they pass. A nominee who fails the vote is not eligible to be nominated again for a three month period.
    Qualifying nominees shall have their nomination posted in the Prothalamos and then moved to vote as per the procedure in Section 3 Article 3. The vote shall last one week and the nominee shall require a two-thirds majority of non-abstaining votes to receive Asterix Loincloth. If the nominee was not already a Citizen, the award shall be conferred upon them if they pass. A nominee who fails the vote is not eligible to be nominated again for a three month period.


    Why..

    1; Because 'rank' is an outdated term, a relic from a time when there were different levels (ranks) of citizen - Civitate and Patrician, as well as staff/moderator positions being elected which gave the illusion there were different ranks.

    2; It causes confusion to citizens who are unaware of the history of how and why we had 'ranks' and try to fit the term with the current curia.

    3; The curia's main function has become the assessment and granting awards.

    4; Halie has had to explain this far too many times..
    Last edited by PikeStance; August 11, 2015 at 11:39 PM. Reason: Inserted merged proposal with HS's consent

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    Default Re: Change in constitution wording.

    I support this in principle, but I must say the formatting causes me to spontaneously develop a mix of epilepsy and eye cancer.

    I was in fact crafting an Amendment proposal myself and was just about to post the thread when I checked the Proth again and noticed that you had managed to ninja me with an entire thread...

    I'll add my own proposal for the record. It is a bit more radical in some passages, I guess.

    Here's what I had drafted:

    NOTE: Now obsolete due to merged proposal
    The recent discussion on this application shows, in my opinion, that due to remnants of the old, more aristocratic system the Constitution suffers from a certain lack of notional clarity with regards to "ranks" and "awards". Furthermore the continued impression of Citizenship as a rank making the recipient frightfully more important than puny proletarians ordinary members is contrary to the basic idea of Citizenship that Citizens should be friendly and helpful pillars of the community and make TWC a better place for all members to enjoy.

    Hence, despite knowing of the Curia's proclivity towards exhausting bickering over the tiniest iota, I venture to propose the following amendment to the Constitution:

    Section I - Members Ranks, Citizenship and Curial OfficersAll members of the forum can be divided into the following ranks. Each rank confers on the holders a specific set of rights and privileges. An individual may hold only one account of the rank of Citizen or higher. In addition to the ranks outlined below a member may also hold other positions or honours entitled to badges. In this case they may choose which rank to display. Regardless of the rank displayed they retain all the rights and privileges associated with all of their ranks.

    Article I. Ranks Members and Citizenship
    PeregrinusPeregrinity (Non-Citizen)Any member of the forum is automatically a Peregrinus (Non-Citizen). This rank status confers posting rightsthe privilege to post in the public forums as well as the rightprivilege to ask questions and suggest changes in the "Questions and Suggestions" forum and participate in the "Forum Magnum" section of The Capitol, as set out in Section 5, Article 2.

    CitizenshipCitizenship is the fundamental award conferred by the Curia for contributions benefitting the site and community of TWC. Contributing members of TWC have the opportunity to become a Citizen of the Forumbe awarded with this as per Article 2 below. Once a member becomes a Citizenis awarded with Citizenship they can then choose between three different badges.: Artifex, designed for those who have contributed through modding, Civitate, designed for those who have contributed through debating and writing, and Citizen, designed for those who have contributed in other ways, or wish to identify with neither or both. If a member is entitled to other badges due to positions or honours held by them they may choose which badge to display while regardlessly retaining all rights and privileges conferred by their positions and honours.

    To qualify for Citizenship, a member must have at least fifty posts, been a registered member for two months, and have not received a Moderation Warning or Curial Warning within the past six months.

    All Citizens have the rights associated with Peregrinus, but in addition mayCitizenship confers the additional privileges to post within the Curia, subject to the procedures in Section 3; mayto post within the Symposium and mayto patronise other members as per Article II.

    An individual may hold only one account awarded with Citizenship.
    Article II. PatronisationAny Citizen who has held their rankbeen such for three months can patronise a Peregrinus for Citizenship subject to the requirements in Article I above. The process of patronisation is as follows:

    [...]

    7. If the applicant achieves sixty per cent of non-abstaining votes they are entitled to the rankaward of Citizenship.
    8. The Curator informs the candidate and patron of the result. If the candidate does not pass, the Curator includes the date at which they may re-apply. If the candidate passes they may apply to Citizen rank usergroups which the Curator accepts.

    [...]
    Article III. Rank and Award Resignation of AwardsThe rankaward of Citizenship and all Awards listed in Section V, Article 3 are honours given to members by the Curia. While members may refuse or resign their honours that does not reduce their right to them once they have been granted by the Curia. As such they may request them back at will if they have not been revoked or removed in the meantime. Procedures to revoke or remove a member's honours operate normally even if the member is not currently displaying them.

    [...]


    Section IV - The Judiciary
    Article I. Citizen's BehaviourThe suspension and removal of a RankCitizenship is handled by the Citizen's Triumvirate via the following disciplinary process. No Citizen may be subject to more than one referral for a single post.

    Procedure

    [...]

    Curial Warning:

    • Suspension of rankCitizenship for 2 weeks
    • Suspension of rankCitizenship for 1 month
    • Suspension of rankCitizenship for 2 months
    • Suspension of rankCitizenship for 3 months
    • Suspension of rankCitizenship for 4 months
    • Removal of RankCitizenship


    [...]

    A rankCitizenship may not be removed except by the procedure outlined in this Article. Large Curial Awards may only be removedrevoked by a Decision of the Curia or by the request of the rankaward holder.

    [...]

    Article II. The Citizen's TriumvirateThe Citizens Triumvirate manages the removal of all Curia RanksCitizenship by voting.

    [...]

    [...]


    Section V - Additional Provisions
    [...]

    Article III. Community Awards
    [...]

    Large Awards
    [...]

    NovusTo qualify for the Novus award the nominee must have made exceptional contributions to the site in the capacity of a staff member. A current or former member of any branch of Staff is eligible to receive the award, but must also meet the criteria to become a Citizen.

    Qualifying nominees shall have their nomination posted in the Prothalamos and then moved to vote as per the procedure in Section 3 Article 3. The vote shall last one week and the nominee shall require a two-thirds majority of non-abstaining votes to receive Novus. If the nominee was not already a Citizen, the RankCitizenship shall be conferred upon them if they pass. A nominee who fails the vote is not eligible to be nominated again for a three month period.
    OpifexTo qualify for the Opifex award, the nominee must have made exceptional contributions to modding or TW sections of the boards, either by modding or other contributions related to the those sections. Any member of any Rank is eligible to receive the Opifex award, but must also meet the criteria to become a Citizen.

    Qualifying nominees shall have their nomination posted in the Prothalamos and then moved to vote as per the procedure in Section 3 Article 3. The vote shall last one week and the nominee shall require a two-thirds majority of non-abstaining votes to receive Opifex. If the nominee was not already a Citizen, the RankCitizenship shall be conferred upon them if they pass. A nominee who fails the vote is not eligible to be nominated again for a three month period.
    PhaleraTo qualify for the Phalera award, the nominee must have made exceptional contributions to any section of the boards not covered by Opifex. Any member of any Rank is eligible to receive the Phalera award, but must also meet the criteria to become a Citizen.

    Qualifying nominees shall have their nomination posted in the Prothalamos and then moved to vote as per the procedure in Section 3 Article 3. The vote shall last one week and the nominee shall require a two-thirds majority of non-abstaining votes to receive Phalera. If the nominee was not already a Citizen, the RankCitizenship shall be conferred upon them if they pass. A nominee who fails the vote is not eligible to be nominated again for a three month period.
    Asterix LoinclothTo qualify for the Asterix Loincloth award, the nominee must have demonstrated purity of mind and spirit on TWC, in the pursuit of humour and good times for all members. Any member of any Rank is eligible to receive the Asterix Loincloth award, but must also meet the criteria to become a Citizen.

    Qualifying nominees shall have their nomination posted in the Prothalamos and then moved to vote as per the procedure in Section 3 Article 3. The vote shall last one week and the nominee shall require a two-thirds majority of non-abstaining votes to receive Asterix Loincloth. If the nominee was not already a Citizen, the RankCitizenship shall be conferred upon them if they pass. A nominee who fails the vote is not eligible to be nominated again for a three month period.

    [...]
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    The principle is solid and we've pretty much used the same language, though that's where things like this become complex and tend to stagnate. I didn't try to format it as wording to often becomes a war of attrition and I just can't be fussed unless there is enough support.

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    I think the only real difference is in the changes to Section 1, up to Article 1. You reworded the few lines preceding Art. 1 while I removed them and placed the two relevant bits of information from there (only one citizen account and free choice of badge leaving rights unaffected) in the paragraph about Citizenship.

    My reasoning was that the first few lines had as their essence that users were divided in different ranks and hence made no sense anymore altogether. I am neither sure whether the first sentence you added ("Citizenship awards confer privileges not available to non citizens.") serves the purpose of removing the impression of Citizens being better (or, more equal, as Orwell would say) than other members well.

    If we can find common ground on how far Section 1 should be amended then we can just merge the two versions of the proposal, as the other changes only differ by negligible cosmetics. (Unless a majority of people speaks in clear favour of one or the other version.)
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    I tried not to change to much otherwise we become mired in changes which are peripheral to the main gist.

    Section 1 referrers to custom user titles, entry to the curia, voting privileges.

    I see what you mean, perhaps just remove that line. ? The rest is still relevant.

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    Sheesh that almost qualifies as a hard-to-read post. If you don't want to use the [ins][/ins][del][/del] tags then at least do the from/to for each section individually to make it a bit easier to follow.
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    I could have done that I guess, it didn't occur to me at the time. Then again, In my experience, if you make it too easy every cook wants to be a chef. Why not make people work a bit. It's rare (if ever) the first draft of any proposal gets accepted.

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    We should make a git of the Curia Constitution. The thing was made for the french law : https://github.com/steeve/france.code-civil

    Otherwhat I have some difficulties to understand the whole change. I mean, as citizenship confers rights on TWC, it is more a rank than an award

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arandir Tur-Anion de Bodemloze View Post

    Otherwhat I have some difficulties to understand the whole change. I mean, as citizenship confers rights on TWC, it is more a rank than an award
    You have no rights, only privileges.

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    Privileged are abolished since the 4th of August 1789

    Oh wait ...

    Priviliged seems a bit elitist, and I don't think it is completely what we mean for the Curia. More of that citizen is a rank, as we expect from a citizen to hold is rank. Citizen is not something we earn and then it is done. We have to keep a good attitude, so it is we need to comport like a citizen, to be exemples for peregrini. And so it is the reason of the existenxe of the censor. In that way citizen is more a rank than an award.

    And voting for magistrate is right, not a privilege

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    Good initiative HS and Iskar

    My general sentiment is support although I can't participate in the discussion at the moment as much as I would like to, but in general I'm all for getting rid of that term. I don't particularly care about technicalities or semantics at the moment, but am confident that the active citizens will come up with a solution for possible shenanigans.


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    ^ I'm with stepdad on this one

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    ^So you finally accepted your fate and will join me so that we can rule the Curia as father and ... eh, ferrit


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    Default Re: Change in constitution wording.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arandir Tur-Anion de Bodemloze View Post
    Privileged are abolished since the 4th of August 1789

    Oh wait ...

    Priviliged seems a bit elitist, and I don't think it is completely what we mean for the Curia. More of that citizen is a rank, as we expect from a citizen to hold is rank. Citizen is not something we earn and then it is done. We have to keep a good attitude, so it is we need to comport like a citizen, to be exemples for peregrini. And so it is the reason of the existenxe of the censor. In that way citizen is more a rank than an award.

    And voting for magistrate is right, not a privilege
    Sigh.

    I did not say you are 'privileged.' I said you have privileges. The connotations of the former are very different to the latter.

    TWC is a privately owned site. You have no rights as a member. You are allowed to post here because the owner (GeD) allows you to post here.

    'Rank' infers hierarchy, since there are no 'ranks' above citizen (there are none blow either) you are inferring citizen is the self titled elite group. To be honest that attitude is a bit embarrassing.

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    I don't particularly care about technicalities or semantics at the moment
    To be honest, neither do I. Myself and Isk came up with near the same wording independently, so obviously the spirit of the proposal is there. Just have to explain the obvious to some delusional souls.

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    Support.

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    Default Re: Change in constitution wording.

    Edited OP to make it easier to follow.

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    now, as expected I'm supporting this, the wording in itself isn't that important, as long as we undergo with the removal of the word (and idea) of rank; personally I prefer the simple concept of Citizenship expressed by Iskar, but I can accept both solutions in any case.

    Two things more I'd like to see changed:

    - "but must also meet the criteria to become a Citizen. "

    please specify that it refers exclusively to the 50 posts, 2 months membership and no moderation issues

    - "If the nominee was not already a Citizen, the award shall be conferred upon them if they pass."

    get rid of this; let's make the two things separate. The only bound between Citizenship and Large awards should be that related to the Criteria (which simply sets a minimum level of participation and respect of the TOS for a member to be considered eligible).

    On point two: I know that this is not the main intention of this proposal to change this part, but as we are here already putting our attention on the related part of the Constitution, if others share my view I guess we can change this for good directly now; if not or not possible, in a while I will probably propose the amendment myself in any case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flinn
    - "but must also meet the criteria to become a Citizen. "

    please specify that it refers exclusively to the 50 posts, 2 months membership and no moderation issues
    Which article is that in?

    Quote Originally Posted by flinn
    get rid of this; let's make the two things separate. The only bound between Citizenship and Large awards should be that related to the Criteria (which simply sets a minimum level of participation and respect of the TOS for a member to be considered eligible).
    That would need a separate proposal. One I doubt would pass.

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    It's a bit of a moot point IMO as to qualify for a "large award" one's contribution to the site would have to be at least up to par with what is necessary to become a Citizen to receive the Citizen award.
    From what I have seen so far it usually is well beyond that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Halie Satanus View Post
    Which article is that in?
    it is stated on all the large awards qualification

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    NovusTo qualify for the Novus award the nominee must have made exceptional contributions to the site in the capacity of a staff member. A current or former member of any branch of Staff is eligible to receive the award, but must also meet the criteria to become a Citizen.


    Qualifying nominees shall have their nomination posted in the Prothalamos and then moved to vote as per the procedure in Section 3 Article 3. The vote shall last one week and the nominee shall require a two-thirds majority of non-abstaining votes to receive Novus. If the nominee was not already a Citizen, the Rank shall be conferred upon them if they pass. A nominee who fails the vote is not eligible to be nominated again for a three month period.


    Qualifying nominees shall have their nomination posted in the Prothalamos and then moved to vote as per the procedure in Section 3 Article 3. The vote shall last one week and the nominee shall require a two-thirds majority of non-abstaining votes to receive Novus. If the nominee was not already a Citizen, the award shall be conferred upon them if they pass. A nominee who fails the vote is not eligible to be nominated again for a three month period.


    OpifexTo qualify for the Opifex award, the nominee must have made exceptional contributions to modding or TW sections of the boards, either by modding or other contributions related to the those sections. A member of any Rank is eligible to receive the Opifex award, but must also meet the criteria to become a Citizen.


    Opifex
    To qualify for the Opifex award, the nominee must have made exceptional contributions to modding or TW sections of the boards, either by modding or other contributions related to the those sections. A member of any status is eligible to receive the Opifex award, but must also meet the criteria to become a Citizen.


    Qualifying nominees shall have their nomination posted in the Prothalamos and then moved to vote as per the procedure in Section 3 Article 3. The vote shall last one week and the nominee shall require a two-thirds majority of non-abstaining votes to receive Opifex. If the nominee was not already a Citizen, the Rank shall be conferred upon them if they pass. A nominee who fails the vote is not eligible to be nominated again for a three month period.


    Qualifying nominees shall have their nomination posted in the Prothalamos and then moved to vote as per the procedure in Section 3 Article 3. The vote shall last one week and the nominee shall require a two-thirds majority of non-abstaining votes to receive Opifex. If the nominee was not already a Citizen, the award shall be conferred upon them if they pass. A nominee who fails the vote is not eligible to be nominated again for a three month period.


    PhaleraTo qualify for the Phalera award, the nominee must have made exceptional contributions to any section of the boards not covered by Opifex. A member of any Rank is eligible to receive the Phalera award, but must also meet the criteria to become a Citizen.


    PhaleraTo qualify for the Phalera award, the nominee must have made exceptional contributions to any section of the boards not covered by Opifex. A member of any status is eligible to receive the Phalera award, but must also meet the criteria to become a Citizen.


    Qualifying nominees shall have their nomination posted in the Prothalamos and then moved to vote as per the procedure in Section 3 Article 3. The vote shall last one week and the nominee shall require a two-thirds majority of non-abstaining votes to receive Phalera. If the nominee was not already a Citizen, the Rank shall be conferred upon them if they pass. A nominee who fails the vote is not eligible to be nominated again for a three month period.


    Qualifying nominees shall have their nomination posted in the Prothalamos and then moved to vote as per the procedure in Section 3 Article 3. The vote shall last one week and the nominee shall require a two-thirds majority of non-abstaining votes to receive Phalera. If the nominee was not already a Citizen, the award shall be conferred upon them if they pass. A nominee who fails the vote is not eligible to be nominated again for a three month period.



    Asterix LoinclothTo qualify for the Asterix Loincloth award, the nominee must have demonstrated purity of mind and spirit on TWC, in the pursuit of humour and good times for all members. A member of any Rank is eligible to receive the Asterix Loincloth award, but must also meet the criteria to become a Citizen.


    Asterix LoinclothTo qualify for the Asterix Loincloth award, the nominee must have demonstrated purity of mind and spirit on TWC, in the pursuit of humour and good times for all members. A member of any status is eligible to receive the Asterix Loincloth award, but must also meet the criteria to become a Citizen.


    That would need a separate proposal. One I doubt would pass.
    Neat, let's skip it for now then. Aren't we those who don't give up Halie? If we believe in this, maybe we have to "fight" for it.

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