Is the U.S ready for a female President?

[Symphony]

So, as I've been pondering a likely Clinton V Bush, Yes That's What Your National Parties Gave You Again So Suck It election cycle, I submit the following for rhetorical combat:

As a national society, I think we were ready (barely, but ready) for a non-white President; the President we got helped make us ready. I don't believe we're ready, as a national society, for a non-dude President, especially if that non-dude is Clinton.

Reasoning:

No matter what else you think about the man, Barack Obama is an incredibly personally charismatic. Throughout his administration, while both sides made attempts to make his race a topic of conversation, his personal charisma was sufficient to deflect those attempts and turn the conversation back to whether you loved or hated his policies.

Clinton entirely lacks that charisma; whatever personal charm she had, she spent during her husband's administration. Right or wrong, gender will become a major distraction during her campaign and potential administration, and the fact that a lack of personal charisma will allow that to happen tells me we're not quite there yet.

[conon394]

Yes - because otherwise the choice is the clown car of Republicans who cannot even answer simple questions or articulate any realist policy outside of hey yep what the leader of Israel said or hey tax cut that will work or lets build a wall on the Mexican border - fear those who are not white.

[Wulfburk]

if Brazil was ready for a female president (who did managed to get reelected), im sure the US is. Dont make a big deal outta it.

[athanaric]

FWIW, I'd have supported President Palin, for entertainment purposes alone.

Yes - because otherwise the choice is the clown car of Republicans who cannot even answer simple questions or articulate any realist policy outside of hey yep what the leader of Israel said or hey tax cut that will work or lets build a wall on the Mexican border - fear those who are not white.

Yeah, because the first thing non-white Republicans are afraid of is other non-white people.

I'd say even Huckabee would be better than Clinton. Considering that she and her degenerate husband just sold a significant part of the US held uranium mines to Putin (in other countries, this is known as high treason). But of course, that's not interesting. What's interesting is when a Republican says something funny, so we can all feel smug and superior.

[Symphony]

if Brazil was ready for a female president (who did managed to get reelected), im sure the US is. Dont make a big deal outta it.

I submit that the Brazilian political and media machines are not directly comparable to the U.S. "Don't make a big deal outta it" is fine advice on an individual scale, but absolutely meaningless in the context of a media campaign in either direction.

[Roma_Victrix]

I would rather not have Hillary as the Democratic nominee for president after the primaries. I'd rather have a better woman like Elizabeth Warren, or how about a socialist Jew, Bernie Sanders? I think they generate more media and public attention than O'Malley, at least. I also think Mark Warner would make a fine president, although he's not as "hip" because he's a White Anglo-Saxon Protestant male in his 60s. He'd have a greater chance, though, more than Warren, even though I simply adore the latter.

[Condottiere 40K]

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If Hillary becomes President, the Republicans only have themselves to blame.

[empr guy]

Warren and Sanders are kind of far left for a national election I think (although I do like Sanders), Hilary hasn't come out with an official platform afaik but she has tons of experience and all the connections, I think she will win the primary without too much trouble unfortunately, the entire election depending on who the republicans choose too.

The US may or may not elect Hilary but I don't think it will depend on how charismatic she is/isn't.

[Symphony]

The US may or may not elect Hilary but I don't think it will depend on how charismatic she is/isn't.

Point of clarification:

My point isn't that her lack of charisma will lose her the election (it might, but that's not my point here).

My point is rather that her gender will become a constant talking point and distraction because of her lack of charisma.

The potential was certainly there for race to become the constant theme with Obama. It largely didn't (I'm deliberately excluding the unsuccessful attempts otherwise by extreme wings of both parties) because of his personal charisma; his was sufficient to deflect those attempts and refocus the dialogue on him and his policies, not his skin color. I think Clinton lacks that ability.

Yes - because otherwise the choice is the clown car of Republicans who cannot even answer simple questions or articulate any realist policy outside of hey yep what the leader of Israel said or hey tax cut that will work or lets build a wall on the Mexican border - fear those who are not white.

That's you hoping we're ready because you don't like the alternatives....which is cool and all, but not at all what I asked. Made for a good soundbite though.

[Condottiere 40K]

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More likely her age, but that can be balanced by actual government experience.

[Azog 150]

I don't see why the US should be any less ready then any other Western nation, most of whom have had female leaders. I am still not entirely sure if you are arguing against Clinton or arguing against a female being President? Any female becoming the first female president is going to draw some attention due to being female. I don't think it will take all that long for the novelty to wear off, just like the novelty of a black president wore off.

[Ciciro]

So, as I've been pondering a likely Clinton V Bush, Yes That's What Your National Parties Gave You Again So Suck It election cycle, I submit the following for rhetorical combat:

As a national society, I think we were ready (barely, but ready) for a non-white President; the President we got helped make us ready. I don't believe we're ready, as a national society, for a non-dude President, especially if that non-dude is Clinton.

Reasoning:

No matter what else you think about the man, Barack Obama is an incredibly personally charismatic. Throughout his administration, while both sides made attempts to make his race a topic of conversation, his personal charisma was sufficient to deflect those attempts and turn the conversation back to whether you loved or hated his policies.

Clinton entirely lacks that charisma; whatever personal charm she had, she spent during her husband's administration. Right or wrong, gender will become a major distraction during her campaign and potential administration, and the fact that a lack of personal charisma will allow that to happen tells me we're not quite there yet.

Barack is charismatic now? Bush was a more likeable guy, if not that good of a president.

[snuggans]

Considering that she and her degenerate husband just sold a significant part of the US held uranium mines to Putin (in other countries, this is known as high treason).

not even the most unhinged of republican candidates would claim this. all you've got are personal donations and speech fees.

"CFIUS is made up of not only the Secretary of State, but also the secretaries of Treasury, Justice, Homeland Security, Commerce, Defense, and Energy, as well as the heads of the Office of the U.S. Trade Representative and the Office of Science and Technology Policy."

rarely is the question asked: are-is-are our children learning?

[Heathen Hammer]

The reason why Obama was elected and re-elected was because his opponents sucked. In 2008 he faced a senile human fossil, who wakes up wetting his bed screaming about invading Russians. In 2012 his opponent was a textbook example of a rich neocon d-bag (not very attractive to anyone who isn't a rich WASP), not to mention that his campaign was rather weak: while Obama was advertised all over social media, his campaign was more old-school.
Shillary will probably get the support of third-wave feminists and other progressive neckbeard crowd from Tumblr and reddit (similar to what Obama enjoyed), but in her case she also has a long history of corruption and other allegations, which Republicans would be dumb not to use against her. I see nothing wrong in a female president (in a sense that gender shouldn't play a big role here, history has seen many successful female rulers), but she herself is a horrible candidate.
What America needs to become ready for is to abandon the two-party system altogether. It is to corrupt and both parties are literally two sides of the same coin.

[Ciciro]

The reason why Obama was elected and re-elected was because his opponents sucked. In 2008 he faced a senile human fossil, who wakes up wetting his bed screaming about invading Russians. In 2012 his opponent was a textbook example of a rich neocon d-bag (not very attractive to anyone who isn't a rich WASP), not to mention that his campaign was rather weak: while Obama was advertised all over social media, his campaign was more old-school.
Shillary will probably get the support of third-wave feminists and other progressive neckbeard crowd from Tumblr and reddit (similar to what Obama enjoyed), but in her case she also has a long history of corruption and other allegations, which Republicans would be dumb not to use against her. I see nothing wrong in a female president (in a sense that gender shouldn't play a big role here, history has seen many successful female rulers), but she herself is a horrible candidate.
What America needs to become ready for is to abandon the two-party system altogether. It is to corrupt and both parties are literally two sides of the same coin.

And I know just the man to do it.

[Admiral Piett]

The reason why Obama was elected and re-elected was because his opponents sucked. In 2008 he faced a senile human fossil, who wakes up wetting his bed screaming about invading Russians. In 2012 his opponent was a textbook example of a rich neocon d-bag (not very attractive to anyone who isn't a rich WASP), not to mention that his campaign was rather weak: while Obama was advertised all over social media, his campaign was more old-school.
Shillary will probably get the support of third-wave feminists and other progressive neckbeard crowd from Tumblr and reddit (similar to what Obama enjoyed), but in her case she also has a long history of corruption and other allegations, which Republicans would be dumb not to use against her. I see nothing wrong in a female president (in a sense that gender shouldn't play a big role here, history has seen many successful female rulers), but she herself is a horrible candidate.
What America needs to become ready for is to abandon the two-party system altogether. It is to corrupt and both parties are literally two sides of the same coin.

This.

Also I find it funny that she was fired from the House Judiciary Committee investigations on Nixon.

[Stavroforos]

Yes, the US is ready for a female President. It's only a novelty until the first one comes along, and then it's just normal. You know, like how Catholics can run for President.

[Himster]

A female Arab Jew lesbian president. Just get as many stupid taboos out of the way so as to take an actual step towards actual democracy.

[athanaric]

not even the most unhinged of republican candidates would claim this. all you've got are personal donations and speech fees.

Right. Because those donations and speech fees are given for nothing.

rarely is the question asked: are-is-are our children learning?

English please.

The reason why Obama was elected and re-elected was because his opponents sucked. In 2008 he faced a senile human fossil, who wakes up wetting his bed screaming about invading Russians. In 2012 his opponent was a textbook example of a rich neocon d-bag (not very attractive to anyone who isn't a rich WASP), not to mention that his campaign was rather weak: while Obama was advertised all over social media, his campaign was more old-school.
Shillary will probably get the support of third-wave feminists and other progressive neckbeard crowd from Tumblr and reddit (similar to what Obama enjoyed), but in her case she also has a long history of corruption and other allegations, which Republicans would be dumb not to use against her. I see nothing wrong in a female president (in a sense that gender shouldn't play a big role here, history has seen many successful female rulers), but she herself is a horrible candidate.

Well said.

What America needs to become ready for is to abandon the two-party system altogether. It is to corrupt and both parties are literally two sides of the same coin.

I agree. As long as the two-party system isn't replaced by a one-party system...

A female Arab Jew lesbian president. Just get as many stupid taboos out of the way so as to take an actual step towards actual democracy.

Anything, as long as it isn't a Clinton or another neo-aristocrat. Would also help if the next President weren't stuck with their head up to the neck in Saoudi Arabia's arse. Unlike the previous three or four.

[snuggans]

English please.

also i had to laugh at the moment in this thread where republican posters agreed with someone's rant, who dons a Novorossiya signature, and the rant includes "In 2008 he faced a senile human fossil, who wakes up wetting his bed screaming about invading Russians".
did you only agree with him because he badmouthed Obama and that pretty much guarantees an automatic agreement? is that all republicans know how to do? please apply critical thinking skills guys.