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**LinusLinothorax** · February 06, 2015, 10:20 PM

North African Tribes
tribal camel cavalry - Tiq-billin weara as-masearw

Camels? In 1500 BC? In north Africa? Come on guys, you can do better.

**Dontfearme22** · February 10, 2015, 07:33 PM

Originally Posted by LinusLinothorax

Camels? In 1500 BC? In north Africa? Come on guys, you can do better.

The mod timeperiod is 1500-1000 BC, units in a roster represent the spread of that cultures military roughly during that timeperiod, i agree 1500 BC is a no, but 1000 BC?

A lot of stuff is also older, so keep that in mind.

**LinusLinothorax** · February 12, 2015, 10:23 AM

Originally Posted by Dontfearme22

i agree 1500 BC is a no, but 1000 BC?

Even 1000 BC would be over 1000 years too early, as the camel wasnt introduced into Africa until the first centuries AD:

https://books.google.de/books?id=Ka9...ention&f=false

**Dontfearme22** · February 12, 2015, 06:33 PM

Originally Posted by LinusLinothorax

Even 1000 BC would be over 1000 years too early, as the camel wasnt introduced into Africa until the first centuries AD:

https://books.google.de/books?id=Ka9...ention&f=false

Ahhhhhh, I see the issue you have. Yes your date is correct, I was referring to camel domestication on the whole, I didnt see you were specifying north africa. That roster specifically is a older one thats just names....the new one I made a short while ago has no cavalry of any kind, camel or horse. I would just disregard any roster information thats just names, its so long ago its no longer remotely pertinent to the mod. Sloppy maintenance of the preview section on our part.

**PhilipO'Hayda** · February 22, 2015, 07:46 AM

Originally Posted by Türkenlouis

So here is the new update of the irish tribes (Fomorians)

-I choosed for the elite units ancient Fomoire names of the irish mythology.
- mew natural leather armor from Dontfearme

which I put it on some tunics
- included more unit variants

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

If someone could translate those units in old gaelic I will include it. I know gaelic is an ancient celtic speach, but we really knew nothing about irish bronzeage speach

Jesus the Irish look so good in this game

**PunitorMaximus** · February 22, 2015, 03:40 PM

Good ole Eire, hooray!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyEupKrEKZE

**Türkenlouis** · February 23, 2015, 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by PhilipO'Hayda

Jesus the Irish look so good in this game

This was an alpha version of the irish, some new irish pictures were in the Christmas preview

The link to the total preview

http://imgur.com/a/7WWWK#0

**Himster** · February 24, 2015, 08:04 AM

Originally Posted by Türkenlouis

This was an alpha version of the irish, some new irish pictures were in the Christmas preview

Can two factions be programmed into the one settlement? Maybe the Tuatha De Dannan could be like rebels and then if unrest gets too high for them the Fomoire rise up and so on? The eternal war between the sons of Neit.
That'd be amazing.

Also naval units? The etymology of the Fomoire seems to indicate a strong connection to the sea, perhaps even piracy: This isn't much to go on....... but:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

**Dontfearme22** · February 24, 2015, 10:38 AM

Originally Posted by Himster

Can two factions be programmed into the one settlement? Maybe the Tuatha De Dannan could be like rebels and then if unrest gets too high for them the Fomoire rise up and so on? The eternal war between the sons of Neit.
That'd be amazing.

Also naval units? The etymology of the Fomoire seems to indicate a strong connection to the sea, perhaps even piracy: This isn't much to go on....... but:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

Naval warfare was certainly a bronze age reality(the first large scale amphibious battles ever were in the LBA, and Nordic Bronze Age carvings depict fleets of dozens of ships)....but ship models are very difficult to create, so they are a very distant priority. Also, and Turkenlouis might like to chime in on this as well, the entire "Irish Mythological Cycle" and especially the Lebor Gabála Érenn, which is what mentions most prominently the Tuatha Di Danaan and the sons of Neit is a Medieval Irish compilation. While it is a very interesting compilation of literature and a unique piece of human heritage, its not in any way pertinent to Bronze Age Ireland, if we included the Tuatha Di Danaan in their mythological form, what stops us from adding the Trojan Giants of Britain or any other plethora of medieval pseudo-historical figures? It would compromise historical accuracy just far too much.

**Himster** · February 25, 2015, 08:49 AM

Originally Posted by Dontfearme22

Naval warfare was certainly a bronze age reality(the first large scale amphibious battles ever were in the LBA, and Nordic Bronze Age carvings depict fleets of dozens of ships)....but ship models are very difficult to create, so they are a very distant priority.

Understood.

Also, and Turkenlouis might like to chime in on this as well, the entire "Irish Mythological Cycle" and especially the Lebor Gabála Érenn, which is what mentions most prominently the Tuatha Di Danaan and the sons of Neit is a Medieval Irish compilation. While it is a very interesting compilation of literature and a unique piece of human heritage, its not in any way pertinent to Bronze Age Ireland, if we included the Tuatha Di Danaan in their mythological form, what stops us from adding the Trojan Giants of Britain or any other plethora of medieval pseudo-historical figures? It would compromise historical accuracy just far too much.

Well limitations are obviously required, like using the Old Testament/Iliad as a source, except the Lebor Gabala Erenn is further de-legitimized due to the additional thousand years of oral tradition which increases the likelihood of embellishment, there is still some value. Even just for working names used to represent competing cultures/ethnicities which certainly happened, as Fomorian names are being used I thought having a fleshed out rebel faction might be relatively easy while adding a great deal of depth, in terms of game play, but also getting peoples' interests raised concerning the bronze age which is more heavily dependent on interpreting folklore relative to most other periods.
It was just a thought.

**Türkenlouis** · February 25, 2015, 04:37 PM

Originally Posted by Himster

Understood.

Well limitations are obviously required, like using the Old Testament/Iliad as a source, except the Lebor Gabala Erenn is further de-legitimized due to the additional thousand years of oral tradition which increases the likelihood of embellishment, there is still some value. Even just for working names used to represent competing cultures/ethnicities which certainly happened, as Fomorian names are being used I thought having a fleshed out rebel faction might be relatively easy while adding a great deal of depth, in terms of game play, but also getting peoples' interests raised concerning the bronze age which is more heavily dependent on interpreting folklore relative to most other periods.
It was just a thought.

I don`t know really much about the irish mythology. Also the ,,speech" of the bronze age people in Europe is lost.
In every legend lies a little truth.
For the Fomorian units an old Speech of Ireland would be nice, it would be much better than celtic which is also not in the time frame.
So if you could translate unit names in to old Irish Gaelic I would be very glad.

**Dontfearme22** · February 25, 2015, 05:11 PM

Originally Posted by Türkenlouis

I don`t know really much about the irish mythology. Also the ,,speech" of the bronze age people in Europe is lost.
In every legend lies a little truth.
For the Fomorian units an old Speech of Ireland would be nice, it would be much better than celtic which is also not in the time frame.
So if you could translate unit names in to old Irish Gaelic I would be very glad.

It is true in every legend lies a little truth, the question is...what and where is that truth? If its not visible or usable than its really not useful.

**Himster** · February 26, 2015, 07:50 AM

Originally Posted by Türkenlouis

I don`t know really much about the irish mythology. Also the ,,speech" of the bronze age people in Europe is lost.
In every legend lies a little truth.
For the Fomorian units an old Speech of Ireland would be nice, it would be much better than celtic which is also not in the time frame.
So if you could translate unit names in to old Irish Gaelic I would be very glad.

While I did study calligraphy in school and college, which included old Irish and Latin (from the dark ages, which we ironically call Ireland's golden age), I never actually learned its meaning. As for modern Irish I only got a C2 I think.
No matter how far back we go, whatever words we use, can only be corrupted versions, using modern anglicized versions only means they're a bit more corrupted.
An apple that is 40% rotten is still a rotten apple, not so different from an 80% rotten apple.

Originally Posted by Dontfearme22

It is true in every legend lies a little truth, the question is...what and where is that truth? If its not visible or usable than its really not useful.

Yup, but the same can be said about all legends, that doesn't stop us from using them from time to time.
There's no shortage of names in Irish mythology, nor is there a shortage of objects belonging to said mythological peoples. The names may have become corrupted, their deeds embellished and their objects corroded, but they're there.